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[TurretSyndrome]

You should name yourself Speculation Slayer, as it seems you always show up with info on what's been said.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

It would be cool if she was an old God, and is trying to purify Thedas.

[Karlone123]

Obviously the mystery behind Flemeth is the interesting part. I guess Bioware would want to keep that going for as long as necessary because not everyone might enjoy the mystery being revealed. Suppose they could reveal a bit of what Flemeth is while still maintaining that mystery.

[Silfren]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

As i said before i don't have intrest in having invincible villains in dragon age so i hope finally i can get rid of her forever than being pawn in her stupid chess game when she predicts every action every person always winning.

This presumes that she is a villain, though, and that's by no means confirmed. 

[Metalspoon60]

I keep getting this weird feeling she's andraste...

[The Elder King]

Metalspoon60 wrote...

I keep getting this weird feeling she's andraste...

Nah, it's more likely that she's Fen'harel:whistle:.

[bluebullets]

... Alright, first of all, the team can't ruin THEIR OWN STORY. 

they did not ruin the reapers because that's what they are. They knew what they were when they wrote it. (Plus it was a different team lol)
They know what Flemmeth is and they know what motivates her. They simply have not revealed it. Whether or not you want to know, those motivations and what she is being is what it is  you can close your eyes and "lalala" but the explanation is still in the devs head whether you like it or not. 

da:o da:a da2. There's been 3 games and now I would like to know about her and what she is. Mysteries are meant to be revealed; it is just how you do it.
like, if they had never explained the reapers how stupid would me3 have been.. The reapers were a pivotal plot thing whereas flemmeth is just a puppetmaster, but that's not the point. 


p.s. Mike Laidlaw (I think) said in an interview:

The community da wiki is very very good. Blablabla  although they have flemmeth very very wrong. 
So keep that in mind  I think the wiki says she's andraste or fenherel or an abomination

Modifié par bluebullets, 17 novembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

As i said before i don't have intrest in having invincible villains in dragon age so i hope finally i can get rid of her forever than being pawn in her stupid chess game when she predicts every action every person always winning.

This presumes that she is a villain, though, and that's by no means confirmed. 

Villain or not she is overpowered next aizen is coming if they will take that further.  

[Dabrikishaw]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Hainkpe wrote...

I don't want her explained. I like the mystery of her.

Um, no.  To me, this would say that they never had a good idea in the first place and are keeping her enigmatic just for the sake of adding a mysterious element.

[Pzykozis]

Hopefully not, her character is strong precisely because she is so vague. She's the unknowable past, the spirit of the wild. Personally the only thing I've been disappointed with her character handling so far has been the allowance to 'kill' her in the first game.

[Silfren]

bluebullets wrote...

... Alright, first of all, the team can't ruin THEIR OWN STORY. 

they did not ruin the reapers because that's what they are. They knew what they were when they wrote it. (Plus it was a different team lol)
They know what Flemmeth is and they know what motivates her. They simply have not revealed it. Whether or not you want to know, those motivations and what she is being is what it is  you can close your eyes and "lalala" but the explanation is still in the devs head whether you like it or not. 

da:o da:a da2. There's been 3 games and now I would like to know about her and what she is. Mysteries are meant to be revealed; it is just how you do it.
like, if they had never explained the reapers how stupid would me3 have been.. The reapers were a pivotal plot thing whereas flemmeth is just a puppetmaster, but that's not the point. 


p.s. Mike Laidlaw (I think) said in an interview:

The community da wiki is very very good. Blablabla  although they have flemmeth very very wrong. 
So keep that in mind  I think the wiki says she's andraste or fenherel or an abomination

Well at least now you're (tacitly) admitting that you can't hold up an unreleased game as evidence somehow of Flemeth's mystery not being revealed.  I don't count Awakening as a separate game since it was an expansion that served to finish up the Warden's story from Origins, but also, for the purpose of this discussion, Flemeth doesn't even get a mention in it, anywhere.  But DA3 can't be said to tease us with information about Flemeth without revealing anything, since the game isn't even out yet.

Beyond that, "that's just how you do it," is simply false.  You may personally prefer that all mysteries be completely revealed, but there's certainly no requirement for this, and likewise there's no objective rule that says this is the only proper way to tell a story.

I understand simply wanting a mystery to be revealed--as I said, I wouldn't mind knowing more about Flemeth's origins.  But I don't understand the mindset that requires every and all mysteries to be revealed, or else they will regard the story as broken or incomplete.  The way I see it, the only mysteries which necessarily must be revealed, conclusively and in away that makes sense, are those on which the plot itself depends.  The resolution of other mysteries are just icing on the cake, and in fact keeping those mysteries intact can, in my view, actually enhance the setting.

 

Modifié par Silfren, 17 novembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[Silfren]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

As i said before i don't have intrest in having invincible villains in dragon age so i hope finally i can get rid of her forever than being pawn in her stupid chess game when she predicts every action every person always winning.

This presumes that she is a villain, though, and that's by no means confirmed. 

Villain or not she is overpowered next aizen is coming if they will take that further.  

You seem to be arguing two different things now.  Is the problem that she's (as you think) an invincible villain, or just that you don't think any character in the game should be overpowered at all, whether or not they're a mob you can fight?

Beyond that, I don't know what the hell "next aizen is coming if they will take that further" even means, except that it's a Mass Effect reference.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

As i said before i don't have intrest in having invincible villains in dragon age so i hope finally i can get rid of her forever than being pawn in her stupid chess game when she predicts every action every person always winning.

This presumes that she is a villain, though, and that's by no means confirmed. 

Villain or not she is overpowered next aizen is coming if they will take that further.  

You seem to be arguing two different things now.  Is the problem that she's (as you think) an invincible villain, or just that you don't think any character in the game should be overpowered at all, whether or not they're a mob you can fight?

Beyond that, I don't know what the hell "next aizen is coming if they will take that further" even means, except that it's a Mass Effect reference.

Well one does not exclude other overpowered villain is still overpowered character i don't like guys who predict future setting super genius plans and can predict every action peoples on damn planet having 13513514 copies themselves sure damn good character in what they do but not omniscient characters who always win no matter what playing everyone before drinking tea in old hut in the swamp.

Aizen is character from bleach he was also invincible villain practically predicting everything and having power that crush all strongest characters at the same time but it is small part what he did and to truly describe him i would need spoil and i don't want hear that someone didn't watched/readed so i won't

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Ieldra2: I agree with you, and also do not believe that Flemeth is the villain of the two. Beings with larger spectrums of concern are required to do things an individual human would consider evil - but the concern of such vast beings isn't one man, or one nation, or even one species - it's the entire sum of all creation.

Whatever Flemeth "can" perceive - she's moving to preserve it I believe. This sometimes means that you have to cauterize wounds (like Kirkwall) to heal the greater whole. That "might" imply she's against magic - and personally, I would be outrageously happy if she were actually. Magic as answer to everything is my most hated theme.

I honestly think Morrigan is either 1) "THE" opponent she's facing. 2) A servant of the opponent she's facing.

Morrigan is a liar and a manipulator who clearly knows FAR more than she appears to. Morrighan'an is even a figure in the story of Lothias Dwarfson and I don't think that is coincidental.

Still, it seems like there are times when she's been genuinely surprised - so it's more likely she's a pawn of Flemeth's opponent.

I'd personally love to see Morrigan realize what kind of stupid ass she's been with her mentality - and return from the Eluvian in a panic to try to set things right. Having Morrigan turn into a heroic figure of healing would be an excellent evolution of the character (and contrary to people's thoughts - heroic good guys don't have to be sunshine and rainbows - they can still be acerbic nasty wenches like she's always been).

Anyway - I don't want ALL of Flemeth's story played out - but finding out that at least one of your PCs is part of her end game strategy (while already implying the other's were) would be a great addition that solidifies who the character is and reveals that Flemeth is more of a "mystery" than she is just obtuse. ((see my distinction between mystery and ambiguity several posts up for what I perceive as the difference between the two)).

Interestingly enough, The Morrigan is also a figure in Irish mythology. She is a goddess of battle, strife, and sovereignty, a war goddess. She is also known to be a shapeshifter.

[Ieldra]

Since we have a statement by.....I think it was David Gaider in his blog....that choosing the name "Morrigan" had nothing to do at all with the mythological figure, I don't think speculation based on that parallel is valid.

I don't think she's going to be an antagonistic figure, nor the pawn of the real antagonist. If anything, she's Flemeth's, who pretty much admits she's made her what she is on Sundermount.

As for possible character development, I don't want Morrigan to turn conventionally good, meaning developing a sudden case of empathy and compassion for everyone, or a case of moral righteousness, and I don't want the OGB to be a mistake. Anything else - we'll see, but I'm not inclined to dislike it in advance. What I would like is for her to soften her surivivalist, almost social Darwinist stance of "people who can't help themselves don't deserve to be helped by others". 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:02 .

[Christianswe]

I think they will touch more on flemeth in DAI, but not tie up everything.
They will most likely finish up Morrigan's story arc.
We will get a reveal on flemeth's true identity. But is she the bug bad in DAI?
That would be to easy, probaly something else.
She will be pulling the strings however.

[Black Jimmy]

I have a suspicion she might, but I'm kinda hoping which just get a taste. The Mysterious of Flemeth should be left to boild for a few more games.

EDIT: Of course, I'd be happy enough not knowing. And just have her rescuing The Inuisitor at the begining.

...

I bet that's why they're the only survivor of the Veil Tear.

Modifié par Black Jimmy, 19 novembre 2013 - 01:08 .