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[Sauron001]

 I don't know if it's been talked about or not but I have always wondered about the catalyst reaper connection. 

Are the reapers connected to starchild the same way that Sovereign was linked to Saren during ME1s final fight. After Saren was defeated it's like Sovereign had a stroke.

If we had detonated the crucible and destroyed the citadel/starchild  would this have resulted in a temporary overload for reapers enabling the resistance to destroy them? 

Anyone else's thoughts on this? 

[David7204]

I think it's dumb.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Of course you do, David. You think everything except your ideas are dumb. 

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 17 novembre 2013 - 03:59 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Sauron001 wrote...

 I don't know if it's been talked about or not but I have always wondered about the catalyst reaper connection. 

Are the reapers connected to starchild the same way that Sovereign was linked to Saren during ME1s final fight. After Saren was defeated it's like Sovereign had a stroke.

If we had detonated the crucible and destroyed the citadel/starchild  would this have resulted in a temporary overload for reapers enabling the resistance to destroy them? 

Anyone else's thoughts on this? 

This is actually an idea that is very similar to how I envisioned the Crucible to work. Shepard causes a power failure on the Citadel that causes a burst overload on the Crucible that is amplified by the Citadel and kills or stuns Reapers. The signal is amplified by the relays across the galaxy.

So, I think it's a fairly neat idea.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I think it's dumb.

That's nice. At least made it clear that it was your own subjective opinion.

[Kataphrut94]

It's a bit obvious. It'd take some work to make something like that a satisfying conclusion.

[dreamgazer]

To be fair, I'm not too fond of the idea of brute-force glassing the hub of the mass relay network, either.

[Sauron001]

The way I see it, all endings really lead to headcannon so I envision refuse leading to Shepard sacrificing himself to self destruct the crucible/citadel and the remaining alliance obtaining lucky conventional victory.

Shepard's actions are irrelevant for the future MEU so I guess it's all up to us. (Or so they say)

[Cobalt2113]

I think it's a good idea actually. I imagine it would temporarily disrupt them, the incident with saren gives precedent for that.

My only problems are this: Can the crucible BE detonated? And even if you could would it destroy the citadel? Keep in mind that it would take DAYS of bombardment with the most advanced weaponry available to breach even the outermost shell.

[David7204]

It's an incredibly lame idea. There's no reason the Reapers would have such a pointless and senseless weakness. Perhaps more importantly, it's a violation of the Unspoken Plan Guarentee.

Modifié par David7204, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:00 .

[Sauron001]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

I think it's a good idea actually. I imagine it would temporarily disrupt them, the incident with saren gives precedent for that.

My only problems are this: Can the crucible BE detonated? And even if you could would it destroy the citadel? Keep in mind that it would take DAYS of bombardment with the most advanced weaponry available to breach even the outermost shell.

I would think it can since the power sources of both systems become intertwined once they connect. I just feel like it's better than crazy space magic but hey in the end it's everyone's own opinion. 

[Sauron001]

David7204 wrote...

It's an incredibly lame idea. There's no reason the Reapers would have such a pointless and senseless weakness. Perhaps more importantly, it's a violation of the Unspoken Plan Guarentee.

Isn't suggesting that Sovereign's weakness in ME1
was lame? Plus the destruction of the Reaper on Rannoch? 
Overloading their mass effect generators isn't lame, they are just oversized machines. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

It's an incredibly lame idea. There's no reason the Reapers would have such a pointless and senseless weakness. Perhaps more importantly, it's a violation of the Unspoken Plan Guarentee.

Why is there no reason for the Reapers to have such a 'pointless and senseless' weakness?

And is this another one of your rules for storytelling David?

[David7204]

Yep. It's lame in ME 1 as well and something I would scrap in an instant. It's much more forgivable in ME 1, however, since the situation is far less desperate.

Look, there's just no reason their cores would be 'overloaded' because the Catalyst dies. Even if hyper advanced machines were dependent on a continuous signal from some other source (which itself makes little sense), why on Earth would the Reapers place the source in such a vulnerable position?

Modifié par David7204, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:10 .

[Lunch Box1912]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sauron001 wrote...

 I don't know if it's been talked about or not but I have always wondered about the catalyst reaper connection. 

Are the reapers connected to starchild the same way that Sovereign was linked to Saren during ME1s final fight. After Saren was defeated it's like Sovereign had a stroke.

If we had detonated the crucible and destroyed the citadel/starchild  would this have resulted in a temporary overload for reapers enabling the resistance to destroy them? 

Anyone else's thoughts on this? 

This is actually an idea that is very similar to how I envisioned the Crucible to work. Shepard causes a power failure on the Citadel that causes a burst overload on the Crucible that is amplified by the Citadel and kills or stuns Reapers. The signal is amplified by the relays across the galaxy.

So, I think it's a fairly neat idea.

And the game would have went out in a blaze of  glory!!    Oh how I wish it could have been

David7204 wrote...

Yep. It's lame in ME 1 as well and something I would scrap in an instant. It's much more forgivable in ME 1, however, since the situation is far less desperate.

Look, there's just no reason their cores would be 'overloaded' because the Catalyst dies. Even if hyper advanced machines were dependent on a continuous signal from some other source (which itself makes little sense), why on Earth would the Reapers place the source in such a vulnerable position?

The last Prothean scientist that took the relay back to the citadel from Illos could have planted it, that was there legacy to defeat the reapers in the next cycle

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:23 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Yep. It's lame in ME 1 as well and something I would scrap in an instant. It's much more forgivable in ME 1, however, since the situation is far less desperate.

Look, there's just no reason their cores would be 'overloaded' because the Catalyst dies. Even if hyper advanced machines were dependent on a continuous signal from some other source (which itself makes little sense), why on Earth would the Reapers place the source in such a vulnerable position?

Because of arrogance? Arrogance that the Reapers have constantly shown? Due to a belief in their own infallible superiority that makes them completely disregard the resourcefulness and capabilities of species abilities to work around their limitations?

Also I just want to point out the hypocrisy you show in how you get upset at how people wish they could take out certain things that you like in the games and how they're idiotic for wanting things to be different, while you clearly do the same thing and feel justified about it.

[David7204]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

The last Prothean scientist could have planted it, that was there legacy to defeat the reapers in the next cycle

You can't 'plant' that.

[Lunch Box1912]

Sure you can.. look negative nelly, just step into the mystery machine and enjoy the fantasy for a while.

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:24 .

[wolfhowwl]

Sauron001 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's an incredibly lame idea. There's no reason the Reapers would have such a pointless and senseless weakness. Perhaps more importantly, it's a violation of the Unspoken Plan Guarentee.

Isn't suggesting that Sovereign's weakness in ME1
was lame? Plus the destruction of the Reaper on Rannoch? 
Overloading their mass effect generators isn't lame, they are just oversized machines. 

Eh. The Rannoch Reaper was pretty bad.

You attack its weak point for massive damage while the thing is too dumb to sweep its laser horizontally.

"The whole Quarian fleet" appears to be a few ships firing artillery shells.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:25 .

[David7204]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

Sure you can.. look negative nelly, just step into the mystery machine and enjoy the fantasy for a while.

You don't need these guys. I can give you something better.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

Sure you can.. look negative nelly, just step into the mystery machine and enjoy the fantasy for a while.

You don't need these guys. I can give you something better.

... can you, now? 

[Sauron001]

It's a design flaw that was their from the beginning. Do you think Sovereign would have taken control of Saren if he knew the consequences? Yes because they are overly arrogant in their "we are beyond your comprehension" crap.

They moved the citadel to Earth to protect it as well, they knew their weakness but failed to kept you from exploiting it. This ending would have an artificial design flaw which is absolutely logical vs space magic or "The Force"

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

Sure you can.. look negative nelly, just step into the mystery machine and enjoy the fantasy for a while.

You don't need these guys. I can give you something better.

... can you, now? 

[Ravensword]

Oh god. What is going on here?