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[Gervaise]

At the end Liara offers you the opportunity to join her mentally and this ends with you staring together into a white light.   First run through this actually affected my choice because I thought that perhaps it was a nod towards the synthesis option because of the white light and this was why I deviated from my gut instinct which was to go for destroy.
Did the white light have any relevance for you?   Do you think it was a deliberate attempt by the writers to confuse you?   Otherwise I couldn't really see the point of this, particularly if Shepard is not in a relationship with her.    It would have made more sense to get a series of flashbacks of all the events they had been involved in together which had led to that point.  So what did this vision mean to you?

[shit's fucked cunts]

What it is to me, is an alien gesture of love and/or friendship that, as a human, I don't completely understand, but appreciate the sincerity of nonetheless.

I'll check on this thread in the morning, when it has 24 pages.

[General TSAR]

Did the white light have any relevance for you?

Nope, my Shep avoided the Squidhead like the plague.

[trenq]

It's a mind melding friendship thing

[Xamufam]

I think it was originally intended to lessen reapers influence/control over shep
http://social.biowar.../index/17471574

Modifié par Troxa, 17 novembre 2013 - 03:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Friends with mind-benefits. Plus, something for her to remember Shepard by. (And I'm not talking just the memory.)

[Hjklop]

Troxa wrote...

I think it was originally intended to lessen reapers influence/control over shep
http://social.biowar.../index/17471574

That's actually a pretty cool idea, I'd just have to ask how though?

[DeinonSlayer]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Friends with mind-benefits. Plus, something for her to remember Shepard by. (And I'm not talking just the memory.)

Yep. She "took a piece," so to speak. That'd make for an awkward conversation on the Normandy provided they're stranded on Nowheria upwards of a few months.

[themikefest]

General TSAR wrote...

Did the white light have any relevance for you?

Nope, my Shep avoided the Squidhead like the plague.

I have femshep avoid her as well.
 
If you don't talk to T'soni at all throughout the game she doesn't offer her "gift".

[Xamufam]

TheJJBL wrote...

Troxa wrote...

I think it was originally intended to lessen reapers influence/control over shep
http://social.biowar.../index/17471574

That's actually a pretty cool idea, I'd just have to ask how though?

Reapers indoctrinates people trough the limbic system (dream state) with quantum entanglement, block or weaken that signal maybe

"The precise mechanics of the indoctrination effect are poorly
understood. It is believed that the Reapers generate an electromagnetic
field, waves of infrasound and ultrasound, or both in order to stimulate
areas of a victim's brain and limbic system. The resulting effect
varies depending on the intent of the Reaper: the victim may suffer
headaches and hallucinations, have feelings of "being watched" or
paranoia, or come to view the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.
Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to
amplify its signal, manifesting as voices within the victim's mind.


Rana Thanoptis, an asari neuroscientist on Virmire,
goes into more detail. She describes indoctrination as a subtle whisper
you can't ignore, that compels you to do things without knowing why.
Over days, perhaps a week of exposure to Sovereign's signal, the subject
stops thinking for themselves and just obeys, eventually becoming a
mindless servant. That was the fate of Rana's predecessor, who became
her first test subject, and the captured salarians who had once been Captain Kirrahe's men."

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination

Modifié par Troxa, 17 novembre 2013 - 05:29 .

[dreamgazer]

Troxa wrote...

I think it was originally intended to lessen reapers influence/control over shep
http://social.biowar.../index/17471574

Even though you can avoid / reject it?

[Linkenski]

This vision was probably the biggest stretch in making something open for interpretation ever. It was litterally nothing.

[Barquiel]

Gervaise wrote...

At the end Liara offers you the opportunity to join her mentally and this ends with you staring together into a white light.   First run through this actually affected my choice because I thought that perhaps it was a nod towards the synthesis option because of the white light and this was why I deviated from my gut instinct which was to go for destroy.
Did the white light have any relevance for you?   Do you think it was a deliberate attempt by the writers to confuse you?   Otherwise I couldn't really see the point of this, particularly if Shepard is not in a relationship with her.    It would have made more sense to get a series of flashbacks of all the events they had been involved in together which had led to that point.  So what did this vision mean to you?

It was simply Liara's way of giving Shepard a few moments of peace before the final push. I think the balls of light that they both were looking at are supposed to be the memories, but we...the players...just don't see them. Anyway, it wasn't sexual and no babies were made (Liara clearly draws a distinction between a "union" and the mind meld), that's simply absurd and it quite obviously was not the writers' intent with that scene.

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 novembre 2013 - 06:03 .

[Mcfly616]

I think of it almost like a time capsule. Liara is sharing a moment with Shepard. A moment she can keep forever. As someone said above, it's as if she was saving a piece of Shep for herself, to remember him by.

[AlexMBrennan]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Friends with mind-benefits. Plus, something for her to remember Shepard by. (And I'm not talking just the memory.)

Ah yes, good old-fashioned rape jokes - BSN at its finest.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Friends with mind-benefits. Plus, something for her to remember Shepard by. (And I'm not talking just the memory.)

Ah yes, good old-fashioned rape jokes - BSN at its finest.

Not really rape when she asks for Shepard's consent and you can say no.

It's more like friendship sex without contraceptives.

[Ryzaki]

LOL

Hope she doesn't come after control Shep for child support. That'd be an awkward conversation.

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL

Hope she doesn't come after control Shep for child support. That'd be an awkward conversation.

Ah, dammit, now I've got this mental image of Harbinger stuttering and sputtering and trying to slink away when she comes pushing the carraige...

[AlexMBrennan]

Not really rape when she asks for Shepard's consent and you can say no.

Except for the fact that Shepard clearly didn't know that her gift would entail sex and hence could not have consented to it.

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Ah, dammit, now I've got this mental image of Harbinger stuttering and sputtering and trying to slink away when she comes pushing the carraige...

XD

"This hurts me!"

[Gervaise]

I never thought of it as sexual. I got the friendship part. What I was pondering on was the white light as opposed to anything else. After all, with previous joinings we got a series of violent images as she brought Shepard's sub-conscious memories from the beacon out into the open. So it was a nice change to be given a sense of peace but white light is so strongly evocative of heaven/pathway to the afterlife, that at the time it reinforced my sense of foreboding that Shepard was going to die, particularly following as it did on my conversation with Garrus about meeting him in the afterlife. Then later, when it transpired that Shepard was being asked to make a sacrifice that involved jumping into a white light, I recalled those moments with Liara.

Clearly other people didn't see as much significance in the vision as I did.

[DeinonSlayer]

Gervaise wrote...

I never thought of it as sexual. I got the friendship part. What I was pondering on was the white light as opposed to anything else. After all, with previous joinings we got a series of violent images as she brought Shepard's sub-conscious memories from the beacon out into the open. So it was a nice change to be given a sense of peace but white light is so strongly evocative of heaven/pathway to the afterlife, that at the time it reinforced my sense of foreboding that Shepard was going to die, particularly following as it did on my conversation with Garrus about meeting him in the afterlife. Then later, when it transpired that Shepard was being asked to make a sacrifice that involved jumping into a white light, I recalled those moments with Liara.

Clearly other people didn't see as much significance in the vision as I did.

Yeah, screw it. I shot the tube anyway. The writers were... less than subtle in pushing the player towards Synthesis, particularly before the extended cut.

Seriously. Remake all life in the galaxy in this guy's image?



Not interested.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 17 novembre 2013 - 09:02 .

[SwobyJ]

Embracing eternity doesn't have to be sexual. It's just yet another Asari joke/insult that is given to them because to reproduce, they do a form of that as well. They embrace eternity in plenty of ways - meditation (white eyes), domination (Ardat-Yakshi mind control), sex (purple haze), mind interface (black eyes). All it means is that they believe they are spiritually attuning to the greater universe, and have several unique biotic-based powers in order to do so.

So yeah, when romancing Liara for that scene, its kinda sorta sexual, but only in that they kissed in their mind-space. But what really happened was that they shared a piece of their selves/memories (not sure) before the final push. It's the same thing as with any other character on the FOB, except more mentally intimate, because she can. You can also refuse, and that's fine.

The white light can be taken several ways, just like all of the London FOB dialogue. You can take it as acceptance of death and personal sacrifice, or that this (Liara-born) light is the light Shepard wants, NOT the Reaper/Crucible light. It's totally up to you, the player, as the direction that Shepard has up til the end.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 17 novembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I didn't take the vision, and told Liara to get her head out of her ass and focus on the situation at hand. She's not really as much of a friend to me as she thinks she is.

I used to much of my brain when it came to Synthesis and the sacrifice I was supposed to make, enough that I caught the Catalyst in a little logic bomb.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 17 novembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Gervaise wrote...

I never thought of it as sexual. I got the friendship part. What I was pondering on was the white light as opposed to anything else. After all, with previous joinings we got a series of violent images as she brought Shepard's sub-conscious memories from the beacon out into the open. So it was a nice change to be given a sense of peace but white light is so strongly evocative of heaven/pathway to the afterlife, that at the time it reinforced my sense of foreboding that Shepard was going to die, particularly following as it did on my conversation with Garrus about meeting him in the afterlife. Then later, when it transpired that Shepard was being asked to make a sacrifice that involved jumping into a white light, I recalled those moments with Liara.

Clearly other people didn't see as much significance in the vision as I did.

Yeah, screw it. I shot the tube anyway. The writers were... less than subtle in pushing the player towards Synthesis, particularly before the extended cut.

Seriously. Remake all life in the galaxy in this guy's image?



Not interested.

Why is the Catalyst's perspective so compelling anyway? It's his own perspective based on a logic bomb stipulated by his creators. It solves the problem of his that never should have been as hugely serious an issue as he made it (as I believe due to said logic bombs).

And the plan post-destroy? Just don't make any more synthetics.