Herr Uhl wrote...
jsachun wrote...
Not in Qunari Culture. He does not see you as a female once you tell him your are going to keep fighting.
Because warrior there implies male probably. You make it sound as if the Qunari oppress their women or something.
Thats interesting. Where did you get that idea?Envor44 wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
jsachun wrote...
Not in Qunari Culture. He does not see you as a female once you tell him your are going to keep fighting.
Because warrior there implies male probably. You make it sound as if the Qunari oppress their women or something.
Qunari consider about duty of each gender and class as serious and important thing, Well like Japanese or India in ancient time.
Obviously thats a depiction of women in Qunari culture?Erakleitos wrote...
Party banter between Leliana and Sten or Morrigan and Sten. Or even your PC if she's a woman. He says he don't believe that you are a woman cause you're a warrior, and women do other kind of things.
Sten says that women are merchants, or shopkeepers, or priests, not warriors or mages.
Modifié par Erakleitos, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:22 .
jsachun wrote...
Thats interesting. Where did you get that idea?Envor44 wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
jsachun wrote...
Not in Qunari Culture. He does not see you as a female once you tell him your are going to keep fighting.
Because warrior there implies male probably. You make it sound as if the Qunari oppress their women or something.
Qunari consider about duty of each gender and class as serious and important thing, Well like Japanese or India in ancient time.
Modifié par Envor44, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:23 .
Envor44 wrote...
Well in ancient time or medieval age, A man(in poor class) can be only farmer,builder,soilder while a man(from middle class) can be doctor or merchant also.
I believe Qunari consider each class have their own duty and they honor it
Modifié par Erakleitos, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:36 .
I don't think virtue was meant to determine professional ethics though. It's more how a way of life should be approached rather than determine what each class or gender should do.Erakleitos wrote...
Envor44 wrote...
Well in ancient time or medieval age, A man(in poor class) can be only farmer,builder,soilder while a man(from middle class) can be doctor or merchant also.
I believe Qunari consider each class have their own duty and they honor it
Yes, in medieval times people believe there were virtues, more or less like something that defines what you are and what your place in society will be since birth. Virtues were based on your exterior aspect and the family you're born in. This believing lasted till 1700 circa.
Edit: An order like "the grey warden" wouldn't exist at that time. If they had this "holy" duty, it would be most likely formed by nobles.
jsachun wrote...
I don't think virtue was meant to determine professional ethics though. It's more how a way of life should be approached rather than determine what each class or gender should do.Erakleitos wrote...
Envor44 wrote...
Well in ancient time or medieval age, A man(in poor class) can be only farmer,builder,soilder while a man(from middle class) can be doctor or merchant also.
I believe Qunari consider each class have their own duty and they honor it
Yes, in medieval times people believe there were virtues, more or less like something that defines what you are and what your place in society will be since birth. Virtues were based on your exterior aspect and the family you're born in. This believing lasted till 1700 circa.
Edit: An order like "the grey warden" wouldn't exist at that time. If they had this "holy" duty, it would be most likely formed by nobles.
Erakleitos wrote...
Depends, virtue is an extended concept. Theological virtue is indeed ethical as you pointed out, but what i meant is that at that time there were this "obvious" idea (meaning, no one would question that) that if someone is born within a farmer family his fate is to be a farmer. It's something that is written. In 1400 this belief changed a bit, because at that time there were some proto-organized trading system, so merchants started to form what we call a middle class.... leading to the individual concept we have since 1700.
Erakleitos wrote...
Envor44 wrote...
Well in ancient time or medieval age, A man(in poor class) can be only farmer,builder,soilder while a man(from middle class) can be doctor or merchant also.
I believe Qunari consider each class have their own duty and they honor it
Yes, in medieval times people believe there were virtues, more or less like something that defines what you are and what your place in society will be since birth. Virtues were based on your exterior aspect and the family you're born in. This believing lasted till 1700 circa.
In medieval europe, having someone who can change profession (a farmer who becomes merchant) would be unthinkable. No one would even consider possible something like this. In Dragon Age most characters are post-illuminist, with the only medieval character being Sten.
Also, an order like the "Grey Warden" wouldn't exist at that time. If they had this "holy" duty, it would be most likely formed by nobles.
Modifié par Envor44, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:02 .
Herr Uhl wrote...
But the Qunari don't do what their dad did, they probably don't even know who he was. They all get an equal opportunity at life when young...
Herr Uhl wrote...
I thought it closer to socialistic/communist societies throughout the ages than medieval ones.
Godak wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
But the Qunari don't do what their dad did, they probably don't even know who he was. They all get an equal opportunity at life when young...
Except the mages...
The ones that were before the manifest are hard to place (for me), thus I used both of them.Godak wrote...
It sounds nothing like either one, to me.Herr Uhl wrote...
I thought it closer to socialistic/communist societies throughout the ages than medieval ones.
Not to mention the fact that socialism and communism are radically different.
Modifié par Herr Uhl, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:10 .
Herr Uhl wrote...
Erakleitos wrote...
Depends, virtue is an extended concept. Theological virtue is indeed ethical as you pointed out, but what i meant is that at that time there were this "obvious" idea (meaning, no one would question that) that if someone is born within a farmer family his fate is to be a farmer. It's something that is written. In 1400 this belief changed a bit, because at that time there were some proto-organized trading system, so merchants started to form what we call a middle class.... leading to the individual concept we have since 1700.
But the Qunari don't do what their dad did, they probably don't even know who he was. They all get an equal opportunity at life when young, then they do what they were chosen to do the rest of their life (unless they have some sort of retirement homes or something). I thought it closer to socialistic/communist societies throughout the ages than medieval ones.
Envor44 wrote...
Erakleitos wrote...
Envor44 wrote...
Well in ancient time or medieval age, A man(in poor class) can be only farmer,builder,soilder while a man(from middle class) can be doctor or merchant also.
I believe Qunari consider each class have their own duty and they honor it
Yes, in medieval times people believe there were virtues, more or less like something that defines what you are and what your place in society will be since birth. Virtues were based on your exterior aspect and the family you're born in. This believing lasted till 1700 circa.
In medieval europe, having someone who can change profession (a farmer who becomes merchant) would be unthinkable. No one would even consider possible something like this. In Dragon Age most characters are post-illuminist, with the only medieval character being Sten.
Also, an order like the "Grey Warden" wouldn't exist at that time. If they had this "holy" duty, it would be most likely formed by nobles.
Well, I bring up an example(India) only bad and unfair thing about it is you can't be something higher, It's about relegion and belief also
Hmmph, true
Erakleitos wrote...
I don't know, Sten keeps saying that he's Sten of the Berasaad, of the Qunari vanguard... so maybe this means his family always did that. Who knows.
Mary Kirby wrote...
Aramintai wrote...
And how many companies there are? Do they have specific names? And if Sten was an entire platoon commander wouldn't it be better suited for a warrior of a scout rank or some such to go on a Blight investigation mission and leave Sten to his place in Qun hierarchy such as commanding duty in some regular invasion/war company?
They have specific names. Beresaad is the name of his company. The Beresaad belongs to the vanguard of the antaam, and the antaam does a lot of things that other militaries don't do. They are the qunari diplomats, for one thing. Also their surveyors, and foreign trade administrators. Basically, if it involves dealing with the world outside of Par Vollen, the army is who they send. Once a place is secure and no longer part of the outside world, they send in the non-military specialists.
They also don't treat rank the same way other races do. The highest ranking officers of the antaam do the same tasks as the rank-and-file. Qunari don't have much in the way of bureaucracy to deal with, and if you're a soldier in the qunari army, after all, it's because you have an aptitude for it. Promoting you to a position where you no longer do any of the tasks you were put there to do would be silly. Most likely, the Arishok hand-picked the soldiers he wanted to scout out the Blight. I suspect "ability to speak common" might have been a requirement.
Erakleitos wrote...
Coming from the books? I stopped reading the stolen throne after a cheese joke i read...
jsachun wrote...
Well I think they did that on purpose. Fereldan is based on medieval England which is northen Europe, yet Orlai which is based on France & Antiva which is based on Latin Europe is both further north of Fereldan. So I see no real flaw in the logic at all. Afterall mediterranean sea is what divides Europe & Other Continents near Latin Europewwwwowwww wrote...
jsachun wrote...
I think you'll find that noblilty in Asian countries value caligraphy & not painting. All though writing in medieval Asia was done with a brush. Thedas is Medieval Europe. So Darked skinned neighbour would've been Middle East or Africa.
Only real flaw in that logic is that DG has already stated that the dark skinned cultures come from the far north, not the south. So you can't fairly compare them to how our globe is laid out or any of our ancient cultures and times.
Edit: His hairstyle definetly not japanese.
jsachun wrote...
Yes, but the way the Qunari treat women is definetly more Middle eastern culture than Asian culture. Some Asian Noble women in History were infact tought the way of the warrior.gotthammer wrote...
The dwarves reminded me more of the Japanese, actually, than the Qunari. Insistence on honor, but, and only excepting a few, use it only as an excuse to stab each other in the back as they try to put their 'clan' above that of others. (i.e., honor for sake of appearance)
'Bushido' is an ideal...and as with many ideals, I don't think it was commonly adhered to and only 'referenced' when it suited the needs of a group or individual.
The Qunari? Hmm. Yeah. Something like a militant 'contemplative' sect (the way Sten intro'd the Qun reminded me of the Tao. Heh. And there were, I think, militant Taoists...heck, I practice two 'taoist', or so they claim, martial arts) that's also very structured (what w/ the caste system they apparently have...would that make them pseudo Hindu?).
Tho', as someone who watches Stargate, Sten/Qunari really reminded me of the Jaffa (or maybe the Sodan), first and foremost.
Dahelia wrote...
Antiva is not based on Latin Europe, it is based on Anicent Italy...counting on the mere fact that some of the words Zev say are very close to the Italian language....Zev is not a figment Spainard but a figement Italian...think about it...his thing for women and fine wine, fine leathers...seems to shout Italian to me.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Dahelia wrote...
Antiva is not based on Latin Europe, it is based on Anicent Italy...counting on the mere fact that some of the words Zev say are very close to the Italian language....Zev is not a figment Spainard but a figement Italian...think about it...his thing for women and fine wine, fine leathers...seems to shout Italian to me.
It (Antiva) is based on Venice and the Italian city-states during the renaissance.
Meh, I'm bored and ancient seemed a little too loose of an definitionDahelia wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Dahelia wrote...
Antiva is not based on Latin Europe, it is based on Anicent Italy...counting on the mere fact that some of the words Zev say are very close to the Italian language....Zev is not a figment Spainard but a figement Italian...think about it...his thing for women and fine wine, fine leathers...seems to shout Italian to me.
It (Antiva) is based on Venice and the Italian city-states during the renaissance.
Just pointing out that it is Italy and not Spain...
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