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[KC_Prototype]

I have a solution...Call them...Qunari.

[BlueMagitek]

I think it's really only an issue for a few people here. Most people call the Qunari Qunari.

[Abraham_uk]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Sigh no we shouldn't use the word Kossith as a racial identifier because it isn't one nor was it ever one, Kossith was the culture that predated the conversion to the Qun and it won't be used in the game anytime soon, nor will the people who actually know what they are talking about use it.

They have no modern name for their race an Gaider already said he's not going to give one, also there's no distinction between race and religion.

We’ll call them Qunari. If we feel the need to distinguish from the norm, either in terms of race or religion, we’ll do so… and the only people who’ll be confused are those who enjoy overthinking it.

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This is the second time this has been brought up today, and in this thread I included the quotes from the writer's and devs that say Kossith was the name of the culture that predates the Qun, it's improper, archaic, incorrect, antiquated technical term that only a select few of Qunari priests even knows it exists, and not even a word in their own language.

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That's from the demo and it lists the racial identifier as Qunari even though they already said we will be playing as a Tal'Vashoth possibly a Vashoth that becomes a Tal'Vashoth. 

The Big Grey Giants with or without horns that follow the Qun are Qunari and only Qunari 

The Big Grey Giants that do not follow or break the Qun and are non Violent are Vashoth otherwise they're Tal'Vashoth

Non Big Grey Giants that follow the Qun who have been newly conquered and haven't submitted are Kabethari

Non Big Grey Giants that follow the Qun and have totally submitted are called Viddathari.

He or she wasn't the one being pig headed or using complicated reasoning since this isn't very hard to understand, you are the one whose being pig headed because you don't understand this topic at all and are searching for an easy answer to something that just doesn't exist.

Since again there's no modern term, no distinction between race or religion, no one in game will even know the term exists, it's not used by most of the writer's or devs and not used by most of the fan base.

I have provided you with the terms you can use, links to quotes from the writer's and devs and a screen shot that uses the Qunari as the racial identifier, if you want to keep using a term that's incorrect then well... just know it won't ever be used and people will correct you until you stop especially if you have an attitude.

Okay.

Qunari: Follower of the Qun.
Tal’Vashoth: Non follower of the Qun. We still reefer to them as Qunari:blink:

Human-Qunari: Human follower of the Qun
Elven-Qunari: Elven follower of the Qun
Dwalven-Qunari: Dwalven follower of the Qun


I think I get it now.

[Ianamus]

I can't stand the Qunari race/name/religion thing, it just annoys me from an English language perspective. 

"Oh we get to play Qunari!" "But will our Qunari be a Qunari?" "Don't worry- the Developers have confirmed that the playable Qunari will, in fact, not be Qunari" "That's great! I've always wanted to be a Qunari, but I can't imagine anything worse than having to play as a  Qunari" 

Sentences like that shouldn't be allowed to make sense <_<

Modifié par EJ107, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

They don't have a racial name for themselves, since they don't operate like that. The rest of the world DO have a name for their race, and that name is Qunari. Get over it.

[Vulpe]

I think that calling them "grey giants" is the best solution when refering to the race. If we're getting lazy we can simply call them "GG"

[Tremere]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I just don't understand why some people get worked up so much about it.

Yes, ingame, in lore, they're known as the Qunari to everyone, but for the sake of clarity when discussing the game in real life, it's easier, and better, to have one name for the race and one name for the religion.

Kossith = race
Qunari = religion

It just makes things so much simpler.

Like you, I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Ideology aside, they are all Kossith.

[Vulpe]

 Or we could call them " Horny Guys ". It will make the conversations so much more enjoyable. 

[Ianamus]

GabrielXL wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I just don't understand why some people get worked up so much about it.

Yes, ingame, in lore, they're known as the Qunari to everyone, but for the sake of clarity when discussing the game in real life, it's easier, and better, to have one name for the race and one name for the religion.

Kossith = race
Qunari = religion

It just makes things so much simpler.

Like you, I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Ideology aside, they are all Kossith.

I think I remember David Gaider saying something about the word having nothing to do with race and being the name for an old culture they used to have, rather than ever being a name for the species. 

I honestly have no clue, which is why I avoid using the word altogether now. 

[Iakus]

I call teh race qunari. Lower case "q". Just like elf, dwarf, and human.

I call the followers of the Qun "Qunari" upper case "Q" like Andrastrian, Dalish, and Marcher.

[Spectre slayer]

The culture and the religion are one and the same thing."But what about the followers of the Qun who aren’t big, horned people?

"Properly, they’re viddathari. But since nobody would know what that means, you can call them “elven Qunari”, “human Qunari” or what have you. They are, after all, exceptions to the rule.

"But what about big, horned people who aren’t followers of the Qun?

"Properly, they’re Tal’Vashoth. Again, since few would know what that means, they’d just be called Qunari (to their annoyance, but they’re likely used to it)."But that’s confusing!

"No, it’s really not. It’s about as confusing as “Jewish”, and insisting on “kossith” because it’s mentioned in a few codex entries makes about as much sense as insisting someone of Jewish descent be referred to as either Ashke**** or Sephardim— as if that would be clearer for most people.

Of course, when I bring this up I get a round of “ohhh, Gaider’s upset again.” I’m not upset in the slightest. Kossith is simply an antiquated term that would be used by neither the Qunari nor the Tal’Vashoth and has never even been heard of by anyone else in Thedas, so it’s not apt to be used in-game anytime soon.

Thus people insisting on its usage as “proper” when most people who’ve even played the game have never heard of it just makes me scratch my head.

It’s bizarre, particularly on the odd occasion when someone schools another fan about it— like they’re just not educated enough to know they should be confused.

We’ll call them Qunari.

If we feel the need to distinguish from the norm, either in terms of race or religion, we’ll do so… and the only people who’ll be confused are those who enjoy overthinking it.

I just don't understand why some people get worked up so much about it.

Yes, ingame, in lore, they're known as the Qunari to everyone, but for the sake of clarity when discussing the game in real life, it's easier, and better, to have one name for the race and one name for the religion.

Kossith = race
Qunari = religion

It just makes things so much simpler.

Like you, I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Ideology aside, they are all Kossith.

I agree. It mainly seems to upset people who just blanketly call the Kossith Qunari.

It shouldn't upset people who think the Kossith are the race since Kossith=/= race whichs means they're wrong and the people who call them Qunari are correct.  

It's not hard to understand at all but it seems like it is to you, since that's incorrect and some people get worked is obvious if you spend time on this site and various other media sites because some of you people get down right nasty and rude even though you don't have a clue at all.

There is an official name for that race: Kossith. The gray-skinned horned giants are called Kossith.
However, in game, nobody actually uses that term.

They are known to all commoners as "Qunari" and because everyone just calls them that, it sticks. Qunari themselves see no reason to distinguish their own race; they are servants of the Qun only, and as such are called Qunari.

Anything  Kossith that is not Qunari is beneath them and most likely not worth of a racial name, and are branded Tal-Vashoth.

So basically, nobody uses the word Kossith in lore, everybody knows them as "Qunari" only.However IRL we know they're actually called Kossith.

Nope sorry but you're wrong, Kossith was never the name of the race it was the name of the culture before they converted to the Qun and modern Qunari do not have an individual name for their race and will remain Qunari to them and everyone else in the game and to people who actually know what they are talking about since the writer's and devs have already made this clear and it's not difficult to understand.

I think I remember David Gaider saying something about the word having nothing to do with race and being the name for an old culture they used to have, rather than ever being a name for the species. 

I honestly have no clue, which is why I avoid using the word altogether now.

Yes he did so many many times.

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Hmm is the iimage working or not

Race QUNARI

Both Mary Kirby and him have stated this numerous times but people still don't seem to understand that Kossith was the culture that predates the Qun, so before Koslun wrote the Qun and converted everything under one religon, culture, race.

They were a group of races called Kossith pretty close to what they are now and again according to the devs and writer's there's no distinction between race or religion they are only Qunari and any race who follows the Qun is considered Qunari but have terms they use which what you have been provided with.

]b]Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all.

It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. [/b]

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't.

They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

They don't have a racial name for themselves, since they don't operate like that.

The rest of the world DO have a name for their race, and that name is Qunari. Get over it.

^ This

This issue seems to rely soley on the developers and writers, like Gaider. Fans have no problems with the Kossith term

Blantanly false trust me on that I know tons of people who have a problem with the term Kossith especially on other sites and have seen many on this site including me.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 18 novembre 2013 - 07:59 .

[Dabrikishaw]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I just don't understand why some people get worked up so much about it.

Yes, ingame, in lore, they're known as the Qunari to everyone, but for the sake of clarity when discussing the game in real life, it's easier, and better, to have one name for the race and one name for the religion.

Kossith = race
Qunari = religion

It just makes things so much simpler.

I agree. It mainly seems to upset people who just blanketly call the Kossith Qunari.

Modifié par Dabrikishaw, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:58 .

[Allan Schumacher]

The issue seems to rely soley on the developers and writers, like Gaider. Fans have no problems with the Kossith term.

Eh, plenty of people get into arguments over whether or not the term should or should not be used.

I don't care if someone does (or does not) use Kossith. All I ask is that people be respectful to others regardless of which preference they have.

[MisanthropePrime]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The issue seems to rely soley on the developers and writers, like Gaider. Fans have no problems with the Kossith term.

Eh, plenty of people get into arguments over whether or not the term should or should not be used.

I don't care if someone does (or does not) use Kossith. All I ask is that people be respectful to others regardless of which preference they have.

The problem with the term "Kossith" is that it's a term for a culture in the same way "Qunari" is. It's got no currency in a discussion on culturally neutral topics like biology. It'd be like describing a man from modern Iraq and calling him "Babylonian". 

"Giant", in my proposal, would be when we want to discuss the physical creature. Such as "giants often have prominent horns but some are born without them. Qunari giants often believe such hornless individuals are destined for greatness". 

Modifié par MisanthropePrime, 18 novembre 2013 - 07:27 .

[Thetford]

I honestly hope that this debate appears in game, more as a parody of these threads.

[Abraham_uk]

Thetford wrote...

I honestly hope that this debate appears in game, more as a parody of these threads.

Hmm. In Mass Effect 3 Javik talked about throwing Joker out the airlock over "Prothy The Prothean" comments.

So in Dragon Age Inquision a Qunari kills someone for calling them a "Kossith".

[Iakus]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Thetford wrote...

I honestly hope that this debate appears in game, more as a parody of these threads.

Hmm. In Mass Effect 3 Javik talked about throwing Joker out the airlock over "Prothy The Prothean" comments.

So in Dragon Age Inquision a Qunari kills someone for calling them a "Kossith".

I'd rather see a Tal Vashoth kill someone for calling them a Qunari.

Seems the more likely thing to happen

[Zenbry]

Thetford wrote...

I honestly hope that this debate appears in game, more as a parody of these threads.

This.

[Tootles FTW]

I don't find "Qunari" confusing at all. Unless you specifically state "an elf Qunari" or "human Qunari" I will always assume you're speaking of the gray-skinned horned people - the same goes for Tal Vashoth. People are being willfully obtuse with this, it's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[Abraham_uk]

iakus wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Thetford wrote...

I honestly hope that this debate appears in game, more as a parody of these threads.

Hmm. In Mass Effect 3 Javik talked about throwing Joker out the airlock over "Prothy The Prothean" comments.

So in Dragon Age Inquision a Qunari kills someone for calling them a "Kossith".

I'd rather see a Tal Vashoth kill someone for calling them a Qunari.

Seems the more likely thing to happen

Brutal.

[Spectre slayer]

iakus wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Thetford wrote...

I honestly hope that this debate appears in game, more as a parody of these threads.

Hmm. In Mass Effect 3 Javik talked about throwing Joker out the airlock over "Prothy The Prothean" comments.

So in Dragon Age Inquision a Qunari kills someone for calling them a "Kossith".

I'd rather see a Tal Vashoth kill someone for calling them a Qunari.

Seems the more likely thing to happen

Nah both would probably happen if the term was known to that Qunari, but still the Qunari would have to actually know what the hell you were talking about for that to happen since the word Kossith isn't apart of the Qunlat language and only known by Tamarasans and some priests though if you called a Qunari one they might just kill you anyway if they think it's an insult.

[Allan Schumacher]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The issue seems to rely soley on the developers and writers, like Gaider. Fans have no problems with the Kossith term.

Eh, plenty of people get into arguments over whether or not the term should or should not be used.

I don't care if someone does (or does not) use Kossith. All I ask is that people be respectful to others regardless of which preference they have.

The problem with the term "Kossith" is that it's a term for a culture in the same way "Qunari" is. It's got no currency in a discussion on culturally neutral topics like biology. It'd be like describing a man from modern Iraq and calling him "Babylonian". 

"Giant", in my proposal, would be when we want to discuss the physical creature. Such as "giants often have prominent horns but some are born without them. Qunari giants often believe such hornless individuals are destined for greatness". 

Giant is a catch all term for Very Large Creatures™ too, however.

Calling the Qunari giants would also preclude us from calling other creatures giants (which is typically a more generic name).

[MisanthropePrime]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The issue seems to rely soley on the developers and writers, like Gaider. Fans have no problems with the Kossith term.

Eh, plenty of people get into arguments over whether or not the term should or should not be used.

I don't care if someone does (or does not) use Kossith. All I ask is that people be respectful to others regardless of which preference they have.

The problem with the term "Kossith" is that it's a term for a culture in the same way "Qunari" is. It's got no currency in a discussion on culturally neutral topics like biology. It'd be like describing a man from modern Iraq and calling him "Babylonian". 

"Giant", in my proposal, would be when we want to discuss the physical creature. Such as "giants often have prominent horns but some are born without them. Qunari giants often believe such hornless individuals are destined for greatness". 

Giant is a catch all term for Very Large Creatures™ too, however.

Calling the Qunari giants would also preclude us from calling other creatures giants (which is typically a more generic name).

Wouldn't the same go for dwarf, too? Just because we call the large horned beings "giants" doesn't mean we can't have "giant spiders", and likewise, just because we call the stocky subterranean humanoids "dwarves" that doesn't preclude us from having, say, "dwarf elephants" somewhere in the world.


I can't think of a single fantasy setting that has giants as large humanoid creatures but doesn't also have giant animals (spiders, rats, nematodes, etc). In the cases of "very large creatures" giant is clearly being used as an adjective, and when used as a noun we usually underrstand it to be a large humanoid, the kind that lives atop a beanstalk and such.

Besides, it isn't as if you haven't already called them "giants". I'm just proposing that term be popularized and standardized, outside of the fiction if not within it.

Modifié par MisanthropePrime, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:35 .

[Darkclown1000]

My votes on ox-men

[MisanthropePrime]

Darkclown1000 wrote...

My votes on ox-men

What about the ladies?