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[EmperorSahlertz]

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

[Tremere]

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

I see this in the same way that I see and hear how people refer to followers of Judaism. I often find myself perplexed by people saying that someone is half-Jewish, when (by my understanding), you either accept the religion/ideology or you don't. There is no half-measure. The acceptance of religious/ideological doctrine doesn't preclude nor remove the racial and/or cultural identity of the person who adheres to it.

So yes, there are elven, human and dwarven(?) adherents to the teachings of Koslun and are thus Qunari, but that doesn't change their race or the culture from which they hail. Excluding culturally (of course), those who were born to the Qun. But that's fodder for a whole other discussion. This naturally leads us back to the basic question...

"What is the race and/or species of the large, mostly horned, largely gray-skinned beings, who were formerly identified (culturally) as the Kossith, but who've since embraced the teachings of their scholar Koslun and are now identified (culturally/ideologically) as Qunari?"

Modifié par GabrielXL, 19 novembre 2013 - 03:12 .

[The Xand]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

Modifié par The Xand, 19 novembre 2013 - 11:54 .

[Tremere]

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

In truth (at least for me), this isn't hard to understand at all. Having said that, all the examples you gave don't deter the fact that they are all human. This issue is what I think people are having a hard time reconciling.

[The Xand]

GabrielXL wrote...

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

In truth (at least for me), this isn't hard to understand at all. Having said that, all the examples you gave don't deter the fact that they are all human. This issue is what I think people are having a hard time reconciling.

Surely the most natural name for the race would be the name of their culture then? ****** Qunari.

Elves are ****** cultrum aures.

Modifié par The Xand, 19 novembre 2013 - 12:21 .

[hangmans tree]

The Xand wrote...

 ****** Qunari.

Elves are ****** cultrum aures.

I OBJECT! Stop this nonsense. Implying all Qunari and Elves are gay is preposterous. I'm sure there are hetero Qunari.
Not 100% sure about the elves tbh.

[Tremere]

The Xand wrote...

GabrielXL wrote...

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

In truth (at least for me), this isn't hard to understand at all. Having said that, all the examples you gave don't deter the fact that they are all human. This issue is what I think people are having a hard time reconciling.

Surely the most natural name for the race would be the name of their culture then? ****** Qunari.

Elves are ****** cultrum aures.

Dude... Seriously?

[MisanthropePrime]

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

And my question is "why do we care what the Qunari call themselves?" The two non-human playable races were given their names by the humans in defiance of what they are actually called- and so I ask why the Qunari aren't as well. Why do we suddenly care for cultural sensitivity when it comes to the Qunari?

[leaguer of one]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

And my question is "why do we care what the Qunari call themselves?" The two non-human playable races were given their names by the humans in defiance of what they are actually called- and so I ask why the Qunari aren't as well. Why do we suddenly care for cultural sensitivity when it comes to the Qunari?

The Qunari call thems selves Qunari. It's not that complicated. Calling the Qunari kossith is like calling France Gale. No one uses the term any more.

Also, Elves and Dwarfs called themselves Elves and Dwarfs before humans.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:25 .

[MisanthropePrime]

leaguer of one wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

And my question is "why do we care what the Qunari call themselves?" The two non-human playable races were given their names by the humans in defiance of what they are actually called- and so I ask why the Qunari aren't as well. Why do we suddenly care for cultural sensitivity when it comes to the Qunari?

The Qunari call thems selves Qunari. It's not that complicated. Calling the Qunari kossith is like calling France Gale. No one uses the term any more.

Also, Elves and Dwarfs called themselves Elves and Dwarfs before humans.

Which, if you read my post, we wouldn't be calling them "Kossith", but "giants", which would be akin to calling both French and Gauls "Europeans" or just "humans"

Also, elves and dwarves didn't call themselves such before meeting humans. Elves called themselves "elvhen" and dwarves "dwarva".

[leaguer of one]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

The Xand wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

Antiquated no longer relevent term for Qunari: Kossith


That's just how things are, but if you want to call them Kossith, that's fine. But you'd be wrong. David Gaider thinks so too, and he wrote up most of Dragon Age.

Viddathari are any follower of the Qun, who have not yet been given a role. Mainly new converts. An Elf who have been given a role in the Qun is for all intents and purposes a Qunari.
That being said, the correct term for the horned race is still Qunari. If the Qunari feel the need to racially distinguish between a Qunari Qunari and an Elven Qunari they will add an adjective which basically boils down to "Elven Qunari".

That's true enough actually.

Still, it's strange that so many people have such a hard time with the concept that the Qunari religion means so much to them that they adopted it as the name of their race. Sure I said this before but many cultures and peoples in the real world have stranger origins for their names; the French derive their name from throwin axes, the Saxons from short swords, the Picts because they painted themselves and the Welsh from "strangers".

And my question is "why do we care what the Qunari call themselves?" The two non-human playable races were given their names by the humans in defiance of what they are actually called- and so I ask why the Qunari aren't as well. Why do we suddenly care for cultural sensitivity when it comes to the Qunari?

The Qunari call thems selves Qunari. It's not that complicated. Calling the Qunari kossith is like calling France Gale. No one uses the term any more.

Also, Elves and Dwarfs called themselves Elves and Dwarfs before humans.

Which, if you read my post, we wouldn't be calling them "Kossith", but "giants", which would be akin to calling both French and Gauls "Europeans" or just "humans"

Also, elves and dwarves didn't call themselves such before meeting humans. Elves called themselves "elvhen" and dwarves "dwarva".

Which still is my point. Know in the world of da uses Kossith. The qunari call themselves qunai. Even if some humans call them giants, they are still not called Kossith.
They're is no point in debating this. The qunari are qunari.

[MisanthropePrime]

leaguer of one wrote...
Which still is my point. Know in the world of da uses Kossith. The qunari call themselves qunai. Even if some humans call them giants, they are still not called Kossith.
They're is no point in debating this. The qunari are qunari.

I'm... not advocating for people to start using the word "Kossith". What on earth gave you the impression I was? The Qunari are, indeed, Qunari, but there are beings that are incorrectly referred to as Qunari who are not, and we have no precise word for them. Hence, "giants".

Modifié par MisanthropePrime, 19 novembre 2013 - 09:00 .

[leaguer of one]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Which still is my point. Know in the world of da uses Kossith. The qunari call themselves qunai. Even if some humans call them giants, they are still not called Kossith.
They're is no point in debating this. The qunari are qunari.

I'm... not advocating for people to start using the word "Kossith". What on earth gave you the impression I was? The Qunari are, indeed, Qunari, but there are beings that are incorrectly referred to as Qunari who are not, and we have no precise word for them. Hence, "giants".

False.
Qunari are Qunari. It's not incorrect to call them Qunai being that is what they are.

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

[MisanthropePrime]

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

The race existed before the Qun.

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Not accurate. converts to the Qun are viddathari for a period of time before they are assigned roles in the Qun and cease to be viddathari.

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

The Arishok explicitly says the Tal-Vashoth are not Qunari.

[legbamel]

My objection to the term Kossith is twofold. First, the writers amd creators of a universe get to pick what the things living therein are called. That's just sensible, to me. Second, Kossith is no less a cultural term than Qunari, it just refers to a culture that no linger exists. I fail to see how that's an improvement, as we have no idea whether all of the members of that culture were of the same race in the first place.

It seems like a reasonable solution to simply refer to thr race as qunari and the religious adherents as Qunari. Adjectives will clarify as necessary and people who insist on being deliberately obtuse about the meaning when used as the first word of the sentence can ask for clarification...as long as that doesn't take the form of, "You mean Kossith?"

[Spectre slayer]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

The race existed before the Qun.

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Not accurate. converts to the Qun are viddathari for a period of time before they are assigned roles in the Qun and cease to be viddathari.

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

The Arishok explicitly says the Tal-Vashoth are not Qunari.

No the one who is wrong is you, they don't have a modern name for the race but they call themselves Qunari and it's the racial identifier that the devs and writer's use.

The newly conquered ones are Kabethari, then eventually they become Viddathari and at some point if they don't cause problems then they can hold positions high in society but are still considered Viddathari, so yes according to Gaider that is the proper term.

Even if they aren't considered Qunari or don't think of themselves as Qunari that's still the racial identifier which was confirmed by the demo an the devs and writer's.

Race Qunari

Kabethari any newly conquered race who hasn't submitted to the Qun, and eventually if they don't cause problems then they become Viddathari though if they are reasonable and don't resist indoctrination they may also become able to take high positions in society.

Viddathari any other race that follows the Qun

Vashoth(grey ones) non violent outcasts who abandon the Qun 

Tal'Vashoth violent are the violent version of the Vashoth that are most likely former Qunari soldiers who call themselves true grey ones.

Why is this still going on, its not that complicated basically Kossith was the name of the culture before the conversion to the Qun and is considered an archaic, antiqued, improper, incorrect, technical term for the culture they used to be not the race.

The Qunari themselves do not even know or use the term with some exceptions and it's not a word in their own language, no one in Theadas uses or knows the term even, existed yet alone used it.

And it's the equivalent to going up to some one and randomly calling them a ****** sapien, or a white person occidental.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 10:00 .

[windsea]

you know, i don't think the incorrect use of Qunari would be bugging me as much if they were only Kossith but Qunari are anyone who follows the Qun.

also it could get really confusing if more non-kossith Qunari show up in the future.

[Spectre slayer]

windsea wrote...

you know, i don't think the incorrect use of Qunari would be bugging me as much if they were only Kossith but Qunari are anyone who follows the Qun.

also it could get really confusing if more non-kossith Qunari show up in the future.

Not really since in the first place there's nothing called Kossith in dragon age anymore since once they converted to the Qun whatever the Kossith culture was ceased to exist a long time ago.

2nd the devs and writer's who created the universe have came out and refuted this term and gave us the proper terms to use but still you cling to this term that will never be used in game, by the writer's and devs and a majority of the fan base.

3rd it's easy to understand since again according to the writers and devs the race name is Qunari and anyone who follows the Qun is Qunari and this will not change and to be honest with you it shouldn't and here's Gaider's response on whether they should get a race name.

I’m well aware this is basically about some fans yearning for a proper, single-word label so they can argue about it online and write about it in fanfiction. Yet I’ve told you what words you can use— the ones we would use in-game and in-world— and still there are “but what if—?!” exclamations, as if coming up with enough convoluted reasoning will make the issue seem really complex and untenable.You don’t need a single word for the biological race.

If you think you do, because you need a term for the big horned people who aren’t part of the Qun (and Tal’Vashoth just doesn’t cut it for you), then use “qunari” and add a ****ing adjective — assuming you’re not a scientist trying to classify their species, that should be something available to you.

Or use “kossith” incorrectly. I’m simply saying what we will use in Dragon Age and assuming that the in-game terminology is something people would like to know. If you don’t care about that and feel you need something additional, then by all means do so.

My only issue with it has ever been when some fans school other fans on the “proper” term (and, yes, this does happen) or when fans casually use the word as if that should be meaningful to most— and then blame the lore when it causes confusion.

The word Qunari is the race, the religion and the culture all in one and there's no distinction between them and if it ever happened it won't be Kossith and you all will be even more confused if you can't grasp this.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 10:24 .

[leaguer of one]

windsea wrote...

you know, i don't think the incorrect use of Qunari would be bugging me as much if they were only Kossith but Qunari are anyone who follows the Qun.

also it could get really confusing if more non-kossith Qunari show up in the future.

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

[leaguer of one]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

The race existed before the Qun.

The same can be said with the franch with Gaul but we still call the freanch "French".

Sorry but the Qunari are called the Qunari.

[Tremere]

I’m well aware this is basically about some fans yearning for a proper, single-word label so they can argue about it online and write about it in fanfiction. Yet I’ve told you what words you can use— the ones we would use in-game and in-world— and still there are “but what if—?!” exclamations, as if coming up with enough convoluted reasoning will make the issue seem really complex and untenable.You don’t need a single word for the biological race.

If you think you do, because you need a term for the big horned people who aren’t part of the Qun (and Tal’Vashoth just doesn’t cut it for you), then use “qunari” and add a ****ing adjective — assuming you’re not a scientist trying to classify their species, that should be something available to you.

Or use “kossith” incorrectly. I’m simply saying what we will use in Dragon Age and assuming that the in-game terminology is something people would like to know. If you don’t care about that and feel you need something additional, then by all means do so.

My only issue with it has ever been when some fans school other fans on the “proper” term (and, yes, this does happen) or when fans casually use the word as if that should be meaningful to most— and then blame the lore when it causes confusion.

Honestly, from where I sit, this is a non-sensical answer to a (deliberately) very convoluted issue/subject... And then some wonder why threads like this keep popping up. Seriously... How difficult could it have been to write:

"<insert name> are the horned, gray-skinned people/species who were formerly referred to (culturally) as the Kossith... blah, blah, blah."

That would have put this issue to rest, once and for all. Instead we have, "You could call them this or that if you want... blah, blah, blah."

It's ironic that the one race/culture that is supposed to represent absolute certainty, is the one whereof we find some of the most passionate debate (justified or not)... And it isn't a case of fans overthinking the issue. It's because there are only definitive suggestions that spur debate and diatribe... ad nauseam. This isn't the only issue like this and I doubt it'll be the last.

Modifié par GabrielXL, 19 novembre 2013 - 11:32 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Spectre slayer wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

The race existed before the Qun.

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Not accurate. converts to the Qun are viddathari for a period of time before they are assigned roles in the Qun and cease to be viddathari.

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

The Arishok explicitly says the Tal-Vashoth are not Qunari.

No the one who is wrong is you, they don't have a modern name for the race but they call themselves Qunari and it's the racial identifier that the devs and writer's use.

The newly conquered ones are Kabethari, then eventually they become Viddathari and at some point if they don't cause problems then they can hold positions high in society but are still considered Viddathari, so yes according to Gaider that is the proper term.

Even if they aren't considered Qunari or don't think of themselves as Qunari that's still the racial identifier which was confirmed by the demo an the devs and writer's.

Race Qunari

Kabethari any newly conquered race who hasn't submitted to the Qun, and eventually if they don't cause problems then they become Viddathari though if they are reasonable and don't resist indoctrination they may also become able to take high positions in society.

Viddathari any other race that follows the Qun

Vashoth(grey ones) non violent outcasts who abandon the Qun 

Tal'Vashoth violent are the violent version of the Vashoth that are most likely former Qunari soldiers who call themselves true grey ones.

Why is this still going on, its not that complicated basically Kossith was the name of the culture before the conversion to the Qun and is considered an archaic, antiqued, improper, incorrect, technical term for the culture they used to be not the race.

The Qunari themselves do not even know or use the term with some exceptions and it's not a word in their own language, no one in Theadas uses or knows the term even, existed yet alone used it.

And it's the equivalent to going up to some one and randomly calling them a ****** sapien, or a white person occidental.

An Elf born in the Qun is not a Viddathari, he is a Qunari. Viddathari is specifically used on converts. But yes, the correct racial term for the horned race is Qunari. It is one of those words with a twofold meaning.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 19 novembre 2013 - 11:34 .

[Spectre slayer]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Proper term for Qunari race: Qunari

The race existed before the Qun.

Proper term for non-Qunari followers of the Qun: Viddathari

Not accurate. converts to the Qun are viddathari for a period of time before they are assigned roles in the Qun and cease to be viddathari.

Proper term for Qun heretics (of any race): Tal-Vashoth

The Arishok explicitly says the Tal-Vashoth are not Qunari.

No the one who is wrong is you, they don't have a modern name for the race but they call themselves Qunari and it's the racial identifier that the devs and writer's use.

The newly conquered ones are Kabethari, then eventually they become Viddathari and at some point if they don't cause problems then they can hold positions high in society but are still considered Viddathari, so yes according to Gaider that is the proper term.

Even if they aren't considered Qunari or don't think of themselves as Qunari that's still the racial identifier which was confirmed by the demo an the devs and writer's.

Race Qunari

Kabethari any newly conquered race who hasn't submitted to the Qun, and eventually if they don't cause problems then they become Viddathari though if they are reasonable and don't resist indoctrination they may also become able to take high positions in society.

Viddathari any other race that follows the Qun

Vashoth(grey ones) non violent outcasts who abandon the Qun 

Tal'Vashoth violent are the violent version of the Vashoth that are most likely former Qunari soldiers who call themselves true grey ones.

Why is this still going on, its not that complicated basically Kossith was the name of the culture before the conversion to the Qun and is considered an archaic, antiqued, improper, incorrect, technical term for the culture they used to be not the race.

The Qunari themselves do not even know or use the term with some exceptions and it's not a word in their own language, no one in Theadas uses or knows the term even, existed yet alone used it.

And it's the equivalent to going up to some one and randomly calling them a ****** sapien, or a white person occidental.

An Elf born in the Qun is not a Viddathari, he is a Qunari. Viddathari is specifically used on converts. But yes, the correct racial term for the horned race is Qunari. It is one of those words with a twofold meaning.

I know that and never said anything about birth, should I be a little clearer the other races who are conquered or joined are either Kabethari, Viddathari, or turned into mindless slaves using qamek after being taken to the viddathlok if you resist or refuse.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 20 novembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[Gwinever]

How about we just refer to the Qunary as Qunary and the (Tal-)Vashot as (Tal-)Vashot and be done with it?

The reason why Thedasians call all the Grey skinned Giants Qunairy stems from the Llomoryan Accord and they only had knowledge of the Qunairy and none the (Tal-)Vashot. The Qunary call themselves Qunary so that became their race name as the human diplomats understood it and was taken over by the scholars.

The (Tal-)Vashot don't call themselves anything as far as i am aware of and are satisfied with them being adressed with their addopted name.

All 3 groups will scratch their head/horns at the term Kossith aside from maybe the occasional Qunary scholar. And if you wanna use it for race discussion just stop being lazy and clarify it with the qunary race

ps, i don't rly care what people use to adress them with racially cause i know what they are talking about regardless, but forcing people to use a term that isn't used in universe other then 1 codex entry wich is easely missed is rather silly imho.

[pdusen]

Gwinever wrote...

How about we just refer to the Qunary as Qunary and the (Tal-)Vashot as (Tal-)Vashot and be done with it?

The reason why Thedasians call all the Grey skinned Giants Qunairy stems from the Llomoryan Accord and they only had knowledge of the Qunairy and none the (Tal-)Vashot. The Qunary call themselves Qunary so that became their race name as the human diplomats understood it and was taken over by the scholars.

The (Tal-)Vashot don't call themselves anything as far as i am aware of and are satisfied with them being adressed with their addopted name.

All 3 groups will scratch their head/horns at the term Kossith aside from maybe the occasional Qunary scholar. And if you wanna use it for race discussion just stop being lazy and clarify it with the qunary race

ps, i don't rly care what people use to adress them with racially cause i know what they are talking about regardless, but forcing people to use a term that isn't used in universe other then 1 codex entry wich is easely missed is rather silly imho.

I agree with you on all points, but are you allergic to spelling the ends of words correctly?