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[oQUETZALCOATLo]

 I played Mass Effect 3 staying loyal to Ashley, and Shepard tells her "When I first saw you on Eden Prime I saw a woman who never gave up" which is fine and all, but then I saw a post in a forum saying that there was another variation where he says "When I first met you back on Eden Prime I didn't know my life would change." I think the second is better, but what makes the difference? I saw a video with this line on YouTube. I was loyal, and played once paragon and once renegade. Anyone got a clue? also has anyone else heard the cut dialogue? not only from the Ashley romance but in general. There's a lot of dialogue that's better than what we got, but it was cut out for some reason. So yeah anybody know how to make Shepard say "I didn't know my life would change" instead of "I saw a woman who never gave up" and what's your opinion on the cut dialogue, scenes, and even maybe that leaked script?

[Linkenski]

I guess the second one is non-romance, so he's rather refering to the fact that he met her before he got to the beacon which changed his life.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bioware writing.... deep.

[Argentoid]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Bioware Jay Watamaniuk writing.... deep.

Now, OP. The latter happens only when and if you romance Ashley in ME3 only.

[P. Domi]

OP, there's a special dialogue if you romanced her in ME 1 and ME , while staying loyal through ME 2. It was 'cut' from the game but could be found in the game's sound files. Originally,  their conversation before Cronos Station was a bit longer:



This youtuber has several other videos with Ash dialogue bits that were bugged (as in "it never triggered"), another where Ash's speech was interrupted by the cutscene's abrupt end (the memorial wall par) and other things like that. Wasn't Jay supposed to check the dialogue he had written for the game and make sure everything worked fine? Unfortunately, it was never patched but there's a fan-made mod you can download. 

Modifié par pablodomi, 19 novembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[oQUETZALCOATLo]

No I was faithful to Ashley throughout the series in ME1 and ME3 but he still says "I saw a woman who never gave up." instead. "I didn't know my life would change" sounds like something he would say if you were loyal which I was so is it just a glitch or something? The cut dialogue from the Ashley romance doesn't include this so it wasn't cut. At least I don't think so.

[AlexMBrennan]

Wasn't Jay supposed to check the dialogue he had written for the game and make sure everything worked fine

That sounds like a job for QA, not the writers.

[P. Domi]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Wasn't Jay supposed to check the dialogue he had written for the game and make sure everything worked fine

That sounds like a job for QA, not the writers.

Agreed Alex, but Patrick Weekes often mentions in the conferences they attend that writers also go through the game as it's being developed to make sure the dialogue (including branching convos) all play out as expected, in all possible scenarios. Come to think of it, it makes sense because the writers are the ones who have the deepest knowledge of the game plot progression and know when certain lines are expected and when they're not.

Like I said, my assumption is based on what they say it's part of their work.

Modifié par pablodomi, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[survivor_686]

If you're on PC there is a mod that fixes the "date" scene:

http://social.biowar...t/8784/#details

You'll need ME3explorer.

[iOnlySignIn]

http://mod.gib.me/ma...3/testdump2.txt

^ This will answer all your questions re: dialogue.

[oQUETZALCOATLo]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

http://mod.gib.me/ma...3/testdump2.txt

^ This will answer all your questions re: dialogue.

Well this tells me that it is an option, but it doesn't tell me how to get to that option

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Wait, there's multiple variations of Ash's romance? I got the one where she hates your guts and tries to shoot you.

[Iakus]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Wait, there's multiple variations of Ash's romance? I got the one where she hates your guts and tries to shoot you.

Supposedly there's a variation between a "loyal" romance and a new/"moved oon" romance.

I think she only says 'I love you" in a loyal romance

[cap and gown]

StreetMagic wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Wait, there's multiple variations of Ash's romance? I got the one where she hates your guts and tries to shoot you.

There should have been a variation where both her and Shep chew out Liara, for getting the body and giving it to Cerberus, and creating a situation for all of this unnecessary drama in the first place.

You would prefer that Shep remain dead?

[oQUETZALCOATLo]

Yeah it did you had to choose Liara or VS and I would have felt bad about it for about five seconds then saved Ashley. And I've never figured out the hatred pointed at Ashley for not trusting Shepard, for what two missions? doesn't Kaiden do the exact same thing? And even if he didn't, if your superior officer branches off and joins a terrorist group known for making zombies, husks, thorian creepers, starting biotic concentration camps for kids and assassinating military officials I'm gonna go ahead and assume you'd be skeptical when one: He starts commanding you in the middle of a terrorist operation and two: he blows up half the citadel and wants to kill the guy you're supposed to be protecting.

[Darks1d3]

And adding insult to injury(and I say this as someone who romances Liara), even though they did the same thing (more or less) to Liara in ME2 as the VS, they went ahead and created a DLC dedicated to her to appease all the fans who were p***ed that they didn't have a chance to continue the romance. Even worse, the devs gave Liara a huge role in ME3 because of said fans as well. While the VS fans got shafted on both counts.

Modifié par Darks1d3, 21 novembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

I hope I don't offend VS fans, but I think the whole VS deal is a failure. A bizarre experiment in storytelling. I have that Final Days of ME3 app, and Hudson said it was deliberate. Starting with removing them in ME2, but also by kind of testing if you cheat on them. And then trying to build them up again in the third game years later.

All they managed is frustrating a lot of VS fans and hurting people who either started with ME2 characters or liked them more. Because they take those characters away from you in ME3 too.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in this light, it comes off more destructive to the overall story and characters than doing it any good.

Yeah, it's quite clear that VS characters and romances were distinctly second-shelf to the writers.

And they didn't even get the worst treatment of ME3.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

True the VS characters and romances didn't get the worst treatment. My first ME3 playthrough was with my Thane romance..................

Fortunately, I knew enough not to play the Jacob one. I had one Kaidan one and the rest were Liara, which were great because it always pays to romance the writer's pet. Fortunately I never romanced Tali and sided with the Geth and got the zombie Talimance bug. That followed by the kid dream, OMG. I think that Shepard would have downed a fifth of whiskey.

[Darks1d3]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

True the VS characters and romances didn't get the worst treatment. My first ME3 playthrough was with my Thane romance..................

Fortunately, I knew enough not to play the Jacob one. I had one Kaidan one and the rest were Liara, which were great because it always pays to romance the writer's pet. Fortunately I never romanced Tali and sided with the Geth and got the zombie Talimance bug. That followed by the kid dream, OMG. I think that Shepard would have downed a fifth of whiskey.

Heh, not enough liquor and therapy in the world to fix that. Just give him one of the "specials" that the batarian bartender gives you in ME2.

[Rasofe]

oQUETZALCOATLo wrote...

Yeah it did you had to choose Liara or VS and I would have felt bad about it for about five seconds then saved Ashley. And I've never figured out the hatred pointed at Ashley for not trusting Shepard, for what two missions? doesn't Kaiden do the exact same thing? And even if he didn't, if your superior officer branches off and joins a terrorist group known for making zombies, husks, thorian creepers, starting biotic concentration camps for kids and assassinating military officials I'm gonna go ahead and assume you'd be skeptical when one: He starts commanding you in the middle of a terrorist operation and two: he blows up half the citadel and wants to kill the guy you're supposed to be protecting.

Don't know about everyone else, but my disapproval of Ashley isn't because she doesn't trust Shepard, I can safely say it only got to that point in my later playthroughs. I don't like Ash because my Shepard was going to be an anthropocentrist, kind of like the Illusive Man and Miranda, but Ash isn't like that. She's just xenophobic. Then she complains about Cerberus for basically following through on the "sic your dog on them and run" philosophy while they at least evaluate the situation and have a clear goal in mind. It's a pretty rubbish goal, sure, but there's reason involved. Ashley's attitude is unreasonable, it's tied to a conflict that happened in the dawn of the ME universe humanity and an injustice that was forced on her by the Alliance and not by the aliens. Also, the way she just shrugs of any insults you throw at her but goes insane if she thinks you're an item and unfaithful pisses me off.

[oQUETZALCOATLo]

Rasofe wrote...

oQUETZALCOATLo wrote...

Yeah it did you had to choose Liara or VS and I would have felt bad about it for about five seconds then saved Ashley. And I've never figured out the hatred pointed at Ashley for not trusting Shepard, for what two missions? doesn't Kaiden do the exact same thing? And even if he didn't, if your superior officer branches off and joins a terrorist group known for making zombies, husks, thorian creepers, starting biotic concentration camps for kids and assassinating military officials I'm gonna go ahead and assume you'd be skeptical when one: He starts commanding you in the middle of a terrorist operation and two: he blows up half the citadel and wants to kill the guy you're supposed to be protecting.

Don't know about everyone else, but my disapproval of Ashley isn't because she doesn't trust Shepard, I can safely say it only got to that point in my later playthroughs. I don't like Ash because my Shepard was going to be an anthropocentrist, kind of like the Illusive Man and Miranda, but Ash isn't like that. She's just xenophobic. Then she complains about Cerberus for basically following through on the "sic your dog on them and run" philosophy while they at least evaluate the situation and have a clear goal in mind. It's a pretty rubbish goal, sure, but there's reason involved. Ashley's attitude is unreasonable, it's tied to a conflict that happened in the dawn of the ME universe humanity and an injustice that was forced on her by the Alliance and not by the aliens. Also, the way she just shrugs of any insults you throw at her but goes insane if she thinks you're an item and unfaithful pisses me off.

Well yeah I can see where your coming from, but I think we owe that inconsistancy to the writers who favorited Liara and left out A LOT of content that should have gone with the VS