Silfren wrote...
Actually I think one of the reasons why Blights are so dangerous is because the archdemon is capable of turning them into an actual miltiary force. Led by an archdemon, darkspawn don't merely swarm.
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Actually Wynne knew that Loghain did retreat. Did not Uldred get back to the Circle first to lie about it, only to have Wynne come and tell the truth?
No, she believed Loghain turned his back on the battle to "betray his king", while Uldred was the one who informed the Circle of Loghain's tactical withdrawal.
It wasn't tactical. It was betrayal, pure and simple.
It WAS tactical.
Stand on the bridge and see how far the horde swarms.
Look at how Cailan blunders the use of the forces under command when Loghain told him to lure the Darkspawn to him, not charge them out in the valley with all flanks exposed.
Look at how the Darkspawn invasion of the tower delayed the beacon and it was only lit at a time when Cailan's forces were fracturing.
Look at how even when it's lit, it's still not the right time to charge because not all of the Darkspawn are in the field. If Loghain had charged, the Anvil&Hammer strategy would've been a flop.
And remember that Loghain has repeatedly tried to warn Cailan off the field AND has tried to talk strategy with him, only for Cailan to go "BUT I WANT GLORIOUS BATTLES!!"
Ryzaki wrote...
The tower that should've been secured a long time beforehand? (I'd argue it was more incompetence on the armies end that lead to that how did they miss those giant holes in the ground for one thing?)
Fair enough. I just don't see Loghain fairing any better.
"Return to Ostagar" reveals that Cailan had plans for much closer diplomatic relations with Orlais, possible even involving a political marriage. Loghain might have thought Cailan was betraying his country.HiroVoid wrote...
Before going into any deep detail: Why? What was Loghain's reason?eluvianix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Actually Wynne knew that Loghain did retreat. Did not Uldred get back to the Circle first to lie about it, only to have Wynne come and tell the truth?
No, she believed Loghain turned his back on the battle to "betray his king", while Uldred was the one who informed the Circle of Loghain's tactical withdrawal.
It wasn't tactical. It was betrayal, pure and simple.
Psst, guys. People are pleading with us to get back to the OT.
:crying::crying:
lol... my favorite part of this thread is how the title and OP don't match. But I'll just go with the title, since we only know of 2 female party members.eluvianix wrote...
So....HOW bout that Dorian Pavus guy? He seems nice.
Modifié par Icy Magebane, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:10 .
It would be very surprising if he wasn't a companion and LI. But we don't know anything. Doesn't that sum things up perfectly and comprehensibly?eluvianix wrote...
How about Cullen? Anyone, anyone??
Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:09 .
"Return to Ostagar" reveals that Cailan had plans for much closer diplomatic relations with Orlais, possible even involving a political marriage. Loghain might have thought Cailan was betraying his country.
eluvianix wrote...
How about Cullen? Anyone, anyone??
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Ogres are the cause of the hole. It wasn't pre-existing. The soldiers just found a door that led to lower chambers.
Ogres are living siege engines, capable of destroying things easily. The Stolen Throne actually shows us how Ogrs managed to take down a solid Dwarven style door in the Deep Roads.
Loghain knows Denerim's layout, and could theoretically pinpoint ways for the troops to best make use of it.
I'd take a thousand Anders clones over Loghain. Bleh.
Ieldra2 wrote...
"Return to Ostagar" reveals that Cailan had plans for much closer diplomatic relations with Orlais, possible even involving a political marriage. Loghain might have thought Cailan was betraying his country.HiroVoid wrote...
Before going into any deep detail: Why? What was Loghain's reason?eluvianix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Actually Wynne knew that Loghain did retreat. Did not Uldred get back to the Circle first to lie about it, only to have Wynne come and tell the truth?
No, she believed Loghain turned his back on the battle to "betray his king", while Uldred was the one who informed the Circle of Loghain's tactical withdrawal.
It wasn't tactical. It was betrayal, pure and simple.
(And I agree it wasn't any kind of reasonable tactics. It was betrayal)
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You are ABSOLUTELY correct about this......if Loghain knew about any of that in the game. If you take Loghain with you, he's as surprised as the other members. This WOULD have been his reason for betraying Cailan if this plot hadn't basically been abandoned before the game shipped. In that version, Loghain knew and he betrayed Cailin since he thought Cailian was betraying both Ferelden and his daughter. In the released game however, this plot element was abandoned except for the DLC. There are traces of it you can still find, but it's mostly wiped clean. Since that motivation was wiped though, Loghain no longer had that motivation. The new reason is simply that it was a tactical retreat. There are plenty of posts by Gaider as well stating as such in a bunch of the old threads where we used to debate about this all the time.
eluvianix wrote...
How about Cullen? Anyone, anyone??
Pfft. Loghain for agent/general character if he survives DA:O.....and one-night stand.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Psst, guys. People are pleading with us to get back to the OT.
Loghain for LI
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
How about Cullen? Anyone, anyone??
Creepy stalker. And a sissy.
Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:12 .
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
How about Cullen? Anyone, anyone??
Only if his character has him feeling guilty over killing hundreds of innocent men, women, and children in DAII's endgame in an unjustified RoA, regardless of romance.
Seriously, the dude has to feel some major guilt over that. Otherwise I'm not going to buy into his character at all.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:13 .
What if he spends every convo you have with him mourning the horrible things he has felt and done while still believing mages need some form of overseeing?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
How about Cullen? Anyone, anyone??
Only if his character has him feeling guilty over killing hundreds of innocent men, women, and children in DAII's endgame in an unjustified RoA, regardless of romance.
Seriously, the dude has to feel some major guilt over that. Otherwise I'm not going to buy into his character at all.
There's one Ogre in the tower on the top flower (that for some baffling reason hasn't broken the doors leading upstairs). So unless ONE ogre made all those massive holes...
assuming people would listen to him. And that clearly doesn't happen in game anyway. (If anyone ends up being the general it's Riordan).
Ahem.<_<The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
There's one Ogre in the tower on the top flower (that for some baffling reason hasn't broken the doors leading upstairs). So unless ONE ogre made all those massive holes...
Well, I imagine the hole that led the Darkspawn in there was dug by the grunts and the Ogre was responsible for the breaching into the Tower proper.
No clue how it managed to squeeze through the other doors without making more holes, but it's evident the hole that led into the tower was caused by him.assuming people would listen to him. And that clearly doesn't happen in game anyway. (If anyone ends up being the general it's Riordan).
Justified a bit. Since his taint is far more pronounced, he can sense the Darkspawn Generals whereas newbies can't.
But I'd hardly call him a general other then "They're here and here".
Icy Magebane wrote...
@TheButterflyEffect - Ouch. Unfortunate choice of words there. I'll just be staying out of this one, I think.
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
@TheButterflyEffect - Ouch. Unfortunate choice of words there. I'll just be staying out of this one, I think.
I'm mostly just weary of templars and their idiocy.
Modifié par eluvianix, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:17 .
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