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[HiroVoid]

Yep. While Merril made the point that being a blood mage doesn't mean 'evil mage', the devs are still trying to make a point that there is much temptation involved with blood magic that can easily lead down to what is generally considered evil acts.

Edit: Let's try not to go too much down a long discussion on this point in this topic though.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 18 novembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Thrillian]

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag. While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

Yep. While Merril made the point that being a blood mage doesn't mean 'evil mage', the devs are still trying to make a point that there is much temptation involved with blood magic that can easily lead down to what is generally considered evil acts.

Edit: Let's try not to go too much down a long discussion on this point in this topic though.

Then what do you make of having that magister Dorian Pavus be an LI?

[Xilizhra]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I recall Fenris saying something about not all tevinter mages being blood magic users: "I have no doubt that some are good and noble men, strong enough to resist temptation."

Which would be annoying, as it undermines the point that being a blood mage doesn't make you evil.

It just usually makes one do evil things.

There's no such thing as magic that makes its user do evil things. Evil is always a choice.

[Angrywolves]

I expect Cassandra to be bi. Don't know about Viv or Sera. Don't know about the males at all.
Wouldn't want Varric as an Li, I won't romance him if he's available and don't find male qunari attractive.

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Yep. While Merril made the point that being a blood mage doesn't mean 'evil mage', the devs are still trying to make a point that there is much temptation involved with blood magic that can easily lead down to what is generally considered evil acts.

Edit: Let's try not to go too much down a long discussion on this point in this topic though.

Then what do you make of having that magister Dorian Pavus be an LI?

Eh.  My only reservation about it is I don't want it to turn into another case where the females and gay guys are stuck with crazy pro-mage and crazy pro-templar guy again.  I peronsally think an LI like Varric would personally be really cool if Varric isn't one (though I doubt it). 

As for Dorian, hopefully he'll be the most tevinter of tevinter mages possible.  He advocates the buying and getting of slaves for cheap labor, powerful spells all in the name of empowering the Inqusition.

[KC_Prototype]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag. While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

We'll when having a BI character make sense then go for it but it it's just to make everybody happy, it kinda cheapens the character. Hell, if they wanted to do that, then Samantha from ME3 should of been BI.

[Ravensword]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I recall Fenris saying something about not all tevinter mages being blood magic users: "I have no doubt that some are good and noble men, strong enough to resist temptation."

Which would be annoying, as it undermines the point that being a blood mage doesn't make you evil.

It just usually makes one do evil things.

DA2 laid that on pretty thick when it came to encountering pretty much every non-companion blood mage in the game.

[Thrillian]

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag. While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

We'll when having a BI character make sense then go for it but it it's just to make everybody happy, it kinda cheapens the character. Hell, if they wanted to do that, then Samantha from ME3 should of been BI.

Can you please explain in great detail how exactly it "cheapens" the character?  I would genuinely like to know.  How does a character's personality change based on sexual preference?

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Yep. While Merril made the point that being a blood mage doesn't mean 'evil mage', the devs are still trying to make a point that there is much temptation involved with blood magic that can easily lead down to what is generally considered evil acts.

Edit: Let's try not to go too much down a long discussion on this point in this topic though.

Then what do you make of having that magister Dorian Pavus be an LI?

Eh.  My only reservation about it is I don't want it to turn into another case where the females and gay guys are stuck with crazy pro-mage and crazy pro-templar guy again.  I peronsally think an LI like Varric would personally be really cool if Varric isn't one (though I doubt it). 

As for Dorian, hopefully he'll be the most tevinter of tevinter mages possible.  He advocates the buying and getting of slaves for cheap labor, powerful spells all in the name of empowering the Inqusition.

Me being gay, and playing as a male mage, I would probably prefer an LI like Iron Bull or Cullen or the Grey Warden guy, rather than have the two extremes like Fenris and Anders again. I view Cullen as a moderate Templar, not extremist. And I would not romance Varric, though. He is kinda like my brother/best friend in the group, just like with my Hawke. And Vivienne seems more like the mother of this group IMO, regardless of her actual LI status or not.

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 novembre 2013 - 04:34 .

[daveliam]

If I had to guess, I would say that Varric will not be a LI, even though I would love to see a dwarf LI. Since none of the other guys are even confirmed, I would have to guess from the likely candidates.

If Cullen is a companion, then he's a lock, I think. He's the typically whiny blond love interest that the DA team loves. Plus he's a returning character and has a BSN fan base.

I think Dorian is also likely. There has always been an elf LI and he would be an interesting counterpoint to Cullen (similar to the Anders v. Fenris things from DA2). Plus, since we don't know much about Tevinter, he would be a great way to introduce some of the culture through dialogue and side quests.

I think the Grey Warden is out, unfortunately. Even though I love the idea of an older bearded male LI, I just don't see them choosing him if there are only 2 male LI's (which I suspect there will be). Shame really.

The wild card for me is Iron Bull, if he is even a companion. I was initially ruling him out completely because it just seemed unlikely given how the qunari have been portrayed (antagonists in the last game and almost Spock like with their rationalizing). However, with the introduction of playable qunari characters, maybe it would be a possibility. Who knows?

But if I had to put money on it (with the little info we have), I'd say: 2 LI's; both open to either gender; Cullen as one and Dorian as the other.

[Hellion Rex]

daveliam wrote...

If I had to guess, I would say that Varric will not be a LI, even though I would love to see a dwarf LI. Since none of the other guys are even confirmed, I would have to guess from the likely candidates.

If Cullen is a companion, then he's a lock, I think. He's the typically whiny blond love interest that the DA team loves. Plus he's a returning character and has a BSN fan base.

I think Dorian is also likely. There has always been an elf LI and he would be an interesting counterpoint to Cullen (similar to the Anders v. Fenris things from DA2). Plus, since we don't know much about Tevinter, he would be a great way to introduce some of the culture through dialogue and side quests.

I think the Grey Warden is out, unfortunately. Even though I love the idea of an older bearded male LI, I just don't see them choosing him if there are only 2 male LI's (which I suspect there will be). Shame really.

The wild card for me is Iron Bull, if he is even a companion. I was initially ruling him out completely because it just seemed unlikely given how the qunari have been portrayed (antagonists in the last game and almost Spock like with their rationalizing). However, with the introduction of playable qunari characters, maybe it would be a possibility. Who knows?

But if I had to put money on it (with the little info we have), I'd say: 2 LI's; both open to either gender; Cullen as one and Dorian as the other.

Stop crushing my dreams!!!!!:crying::crying:

[Jedi Master of Orion]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I am praying for six LIs. Hopefully all bi. I really do not give two sh*ts about the realism argument involving having all bi LIs. Either that, or do similar to ME3, and have two bi LIs of either gender, with one same sex romance for each gender.

Gaider stated on his tumblr that if there are more LI they'll have different sexualities. According to him the reason why the LI were bisexuals in DA2 was to provide choices to everyone.
If there six LI, they're likely to be two hetero, two homosexuals and two bisexuals.

While I would prefer this to be the case, I dobut we'll be getting more than four.

[daveliam]

eluvianix wrote...

Stop crushing my dreams!!!!!:crying::crying:

Don't get me wrong, if I he were availabe, he would be my first pick too (based solely on looks).  I think it's high time that Bioware included a older Daddy type!  Although that might be TMI.....

[Spectre slayer]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag.

While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

Nope the devs have actually said the complete opposite of what you're saying, and no this has nothing to to do with preference or whether or not is realistic or anything like that since my characters are usually BI or Straight.

And for the record both Gaider and I are against player sexual but not bi sexual since they are 2 different things entirely.

2) I dislike the idea of every character being sexually available to the player. Not that it cheapens them, necessarily, but it would lend itself towards their objectification.

Use this link here
dgaider.tumblr.com/post/40361886357/on-romances-in-games

Jonathan Perry interview 

Finally, how will romancing work in the game? Is it the same kind of deal as previous BioWare games, or can anyone romance anyone?

Jp I wouldn't say that anyone can romance anyone, but there will certainly be characters who fancy a certain type of person more than another.

We haven't really been able to comment on how many of your followers will be 'romance-able' or who will be 'romance-able', but we do have a whole lot of interesting combinations.

Romance is a really important part of our storytelling, and we really want to give the player a lot of options there.

www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-16239-Dragon-Age--Inquisition-Interview-%E2%80%93-Jonathan-Perry-Talks-Sex--Mounts--Demons-and-Destruction.htm


social.bioware.com/%20http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/17572518/1#17573080

 Ah. So that’s what all the anonymous tweets shouting “biphobic” at me this past weekend have been about.For those who’ve decided the “playersexual” comment is something I came up with, I’ll just say it’s not. 

There are a group of DA fans who insist on calling the DA2 romances that, however— hence why I said “whatever you want to call them” and put it in quotes. I don’t agree with the term, but there you have it. 

In terms of bisexuality and our romances, I’ve discussed them numerous times before. Here, or here, for instance. 

My saying that I don’t think players have the right to romance any character no matter who they’re playing is not the same as saying that bisexuality doesn’t exist or that BioWare will suddenly remove bisexual romances from our games.

As I’ve said before, my ideal would be to have an array of sexualities— including bisexuality— if there were enough romance plots to go around. Failing that, having bisexual romances is still the fairest way to go.

So I hear what you’re saying (as in the plural “you”), and I see I also typo’d “playersexual” in my original post— sorry about that— but the anger here is misdirected. Plain and simple.

dgaider.tumblr.com/

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 18 novembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[MisanthropePrime]

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Cassandra to be bi. Don't know about Viv or Sera. Don't know about the males at all.
Wouldn't want Varric as an Li, I won't romance him if he's available and don't find male qunari attractive.

If Cullen is a LI, I think he'll be exclusively straight. He only shows interest in the female mage warden, with the male mage warden being wholly ignored despite having the same characteristics save genitalia. If he was bi it'd be logical for him to hit on both player characters.

[Hellion Rex]

daveliam wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Stop crushing my dreams!!!!!:crying::crying:

Don't get me wrong, if I he were availabe, he would be my first pick too (based solely on looks).  I think it's high time that Bioware included a older Daddy type!  Although that might be TMI.....

Hardly TMI! Considering some of the stuff I have seen flying around the BSN, enjoying an older warrior who looks exceedingly handsome, pretty fun (the tavern concept art), and ripped as hell, hardly constitutes TMI.

[KC_Prototype]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag. While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

We'll when having a BI character make sense then go for it but it it's just to make everybody happy, it kinda cheapens the character. Hell, if they wanted to do that, then Samantha from ME3 should of been BI.

Can you please explain in great detail how exactly it "cheapens" the character?  I would genuinely like to know.  How does a character's personality change based on sexual preference?

It sort of ruins their personality. Think if they made Morrigan bi, her personality doesn't fit it but if they did just to make everybody happy then it would ruin her character.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Cassandra to be bi. Don't know about Viv or Sera. Don't know about the males at all.
Wouldn't want Varric as an Li, I won't romance him if he's available and don't find male qunari attractive.

If Cullen is a LI, I think he'll be exclusively straight. He only shows interest in the female mage warden, with the male mage warden being wholly ignored despite having the same characteristics save genitalia. If he was bi it'd be logical for him to hit on both player characters.

The same thing applies to Anders in Awakening. They even had the same voice.

[Hellion Rex]

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag. While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

We'll when having a BI character make sense then go for it but it it's just to make everybody happy, it kinda cheapens the character. Hell, if they wanted to do that, then Samantha from ME3 should of been BI.

Can you please explain in great detail how exactly it "cheapens" the character?  I would genuinely like to know.  How does a character's personality change based on sexual preference?

It sort of ruins their personality. Think if they made Morrigan bi, her personality doesn't fit it but if they did just to make everybody happy then it would ruin her character.

I can see why you say that. I can agree with how Kaidan seemed more bi than Ashley, but we still step dangerously into the assumptions of what "bi" looks like. That can lead to some untrue generalizations.

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Cassandra to be bi. Don't know about Viv or Sera. Don't know about the males at all.
Wouldn't want Varric as an Li, I won't romance him if he's available and don't find male qunari attractive.

If Cullen is a LI, I think he'll be exclusively straight. He only shows interest in the female mage warden, with the male mage warden being wholly ignored despite having the same characteristics save genitalia. If he was bi it'd be logical for him to hit on both player characters.

The same thing applies to Anders in Awakening. They even had the same voice.

If they make Cullen exclusively straight, I promise you that I will personally lead the Exalted March on Bioware myself.

[MisanthropePrime]

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

All of the romance options will be available for the male protag. Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but as of yet we can deduce from various statements from developers that all of the LIs will be available to every protag. While some may feel this is unrealistic (who gives a crap?) the dev's have clearly indicated that they don't have the resources to develop an incredibly wide arrange of characters, so out of fairness what they do have access to will be player sexual. Boo hoo to those who are against it!

We'll when having a BI character make sense then go for it but it it's just to make everybody happy, it kinda cheapens the character. Hell, if they wanted to do that, then Samantha from ME3 should of been BI.

Can you please explain in great detail how exactly it "cheapens" the character?  I would genuinely like to know.  How does a character's personality change based on sexual preference?

It sort of ruins their personality. Think if they made Morrigan bi, her personality doesn't fit it but if they did just to make everybody happy then it would ruin her character.

Well the thing is, Morrigan's romance is explicitly for her to get pregnant. She's not in it for love. And you can't get pregnant with another woman. She could, for all we know, be a lesbian and hate men, but she needed to get pregnant for her plan to work so scissoring doesn't serve her purpose.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Cassandra to be bi. Don't know about Viv or Sera. Don't know about the males at all.
Wouldn't want Varric as an Li, I won't romance him if he's available and don't find male qunari attractive.

If
Cullen is a LI, I think he'll be exclusively straight. He only shows
interest in the female mage warden, with the male mage warden being
wholly ignored despite having the same characteristics save genitalia.
If he was bi it'd be logical for him to hit on both player characters.

The same thing applies to Anders in Awakening. They even had the same voice.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Well
the difference is Anders had nothing proving he wasnt bisexual
in Awakening, but the lack of interest in the male mage warden is a
smoking gun.

[Icy Magebane]

KC_Prototype wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
Can you please explain in great detail how exactly it "cheapens" the character?  I would genuinely like to know.  How does a character's personality change based on sexual preference?

It sort of ruins their personality. Think if they made Morrigan bi, her personality doesn't fit it but if they did just to make everybody happy then it would ruin her character.

I think it's wrong to apply bisexuality to existing characters, but with new characters it's not an issue for me.  It really just comes down to simple fairness, since the number of LIs is so limited...  But if they made Morrigan bi in DA:I, that's not something I'd support.

I guess you could say she changed her mind about it though... whatever.  It wouldn't really effect me either way.