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[fiveforchaos]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great, I have a feeling I'm going to have to roll a female just to romance Cullen.

So help me, if Bioware pulls that crap, I will have the pitchforks and torches ready for our Exalted March.

The sad thing is, the rumors coming out now seem to indicate this is what they're doing.  I wish they'd stick with the all-inclusive concept.  The point has been made over and over and over again that having enough LIs to cover the gay-bi-straight range does not solve the issue of people being cut off from LIs who are gender-specific if those players don't want to play that gender. 

I was much happier with the original assertion by Gaider that the playersexual/bisexual, whatever-the-hell-you-wanna-call it was the way things would stay.  It makes far more sense to go this inclusive route than to arbitrarily assign gender checks.

Gaider's also stated that he'd prefer it if he could incorporate a range of sexualities if the resources were available, which, as he's implied, they aren't. Solutions that have been proposed in the past have included 2 straight LI's of both genders, 2 gay LI's of both genders, and 2 Bi LI's of both genders, this leave the player with the same amount of options as they had in DA:II (2 male and 2 female) but doesn't make it seem as if everyone is "playersexual". If the resources become available to them in inquisition, I suspect that they'd decide to do something like this, in which case Cullen might very well become exclusive to women only. I'm fine with whatever they choose, personally, so long as each gender gets an equal number of options (ME3 and DA:II were both rather unfair in that regard). 

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

fiveforchaos wrote...

(ME3 and DA:II were both rather unfair in that regard). 

???????

sebastian is not considered to be a romance option in the same was as the others, given that he is mostly absent during act 1 and there is no romance cinematic

also he's dlc

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 21 novembre 2013 - 07:46 .

[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great, I have a feeling I'm going to have to roll a female just to romance Cullen.

So help me, if Bioware pulls that crap, I will have the pitchforks and torches ready for our Exalted March.

Sign me up! Cause this would really tick me off. Just make all LIs available and be done with it. It's not my fault if people can't get over the fact that a PC of a different gender can romance the same npc.

[StarLitStranger]

I actually don't mind when all the characters are bisexual as long as the dialogue is subtle. I just rationalize it by imaging that my dragon age character is super attractive.

At least the companions look interesting, available, and numerous.

Modifié par StarLitStranger, 21 novembre 2013 - 07:47 .

[Dave of Canada]

I still argue that bisexual romances should get different content between orientation, the dynamic of the relationship influences greatly how people react and the expectations/difficulties one might face.

Noblewoman dating male protagonist is controversial and hated, they fear she might get pregnant with a commoner, etc.

Noblewoman dating female protagonist is viewed as a dalliance with no consequences, they see you as nothing but a plaything for her.

Character dialogue and decisions could influence characterization, people would need to play both genders rather than having the same 1:1 content and people who want s/s romances still have the option of everyone.

[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...
Exactly. I had the same problem with Alistair. I hated that I only had one choice a gaymer (don't get me wrong though, Zevran was great). I tried to play a female character to try and romance Alistair, then it just felt so weird. I hated the fact that I had to change my character's gender to experience an awesome piece of the game from which I was otherwise excluded.

I wish I could have had Alistair as a male Warden. Why not? He seemed to be in love with Duncan anyway. I didn't mind playing a female warden cause I'm a female and I did enjoy romancing Alistair as a female but I do also enjoy playing a gay hero cause it's so rare in the media and I just love it. But playing a gay warden was only mildly enjoyable. You had Zevran, who isn't a bad option but listening to him tell my guy that he preferred women was not fun. Hooking my warden up with Morrigan was the most satisfying in terms of a male warden story, etc. Especially with the witch hunt dlc. It makes more sense for a romanced Warden to chase after Morrigan. 

I really hope my male inquisitor isn't going to be stuck with the Tevinter Mage.  

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Exactly. I had the same problem with Alistair. I hated that I only had one choice a gaymer (don't get me wrong though, Zevran was great). I tried to play a female character to try and romance Alistair, then it just felt so weird. I hated the fact that I had to change my character's gender to experience an awesome piece of the game from which I was otherwise excluded.

I wish I could have had Alistair as a male Warden. Why not? He seemed to be in love with Duncan anyway. I didn't mind playing a female warden cause I'm a female and I did enjoy romancing Alistair as a female but I do also enjoy playing a gay hero cause it's so rare in the media and I just love it. But playing a gay warden was only mildly enjoyable. You had Zevran, who isn't a bad option but listening to him tell my guy that he preferred women was not fun. Hooking my warden up with Morrigan was the most satisfying in terms of a male warden story, etc. Especially with the witch hunt dlc. It makes more sense for a romanced Warden to chase after Morrigan. 

I really hope my male inquisitor isn't going to be stuck with the Tevinter Mage.  

Ditto.

[Ianamus]

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Exactly. I had the same problem with Alistair. I hated that I only had one choice a gaymer (don't get me wrong though, Zevran was great). I tried to play a female character to try and romance Alistair, then it just felt so weird. I hated the fact that I had to change my character's gender to experience an awesome piece of the game from which I was otherwise excluded.

I wish I could have had Alistair as a male Warden. Why not? He seemed to be in love with Duncan anyway. I didn't mind playing a female warden cause I'm a female and I did enjoy romancing Alistair as a female but I do also enjoy playing a gay hero cause it's so rare in the media and I just love it. But playing a gay warden was only mildly enjoyable. You had Zevran, who isn't a bad option but listening to him tell my guy that he preferred women was not fun. Hooking my warden up with Morrigan was the most satisfying in terms of a male warden story, etc. Especially with the witch hunt dlc. It makes more sense for a romanced Warden to chase after Morrigan. 

I really hope my male inquisitor isn't going to be stuck with the Tevinter Mage.  

We don't even know that there is  a Tevinter mage yet.

I also seriously doubt that they will go back to the 1 bi-LI of each gender thing, not with how much they say they liked the DA2 system. It will be 4 player-sexual LI's again or (less likely) 6 LI's which cover everything, I think. 

Modifié par EJ107, 21 novembre 2013 - 08:07 .

[The Elder King]

Why would you be stuck with the Tevinter mage? Gaider said that their goal is to give multiple option to everyone: in DAI there won't be only one make character available to male PC.

[Wulfram]

@Dave of Canada

Well, all the DA bisexual romances have had slightly divergent content. Merrill did make reference to the whole baby thing, Leliana doesn't praise male warden's hair.

I don't really see the need for more, particularly since Thedas is less prejudiced about both gender and sexuality. Though it'd potentially depend on the character.

There's also the practical issue of efficient use of resources, of course. Creating content that requires multiple playthroughs isn't necessarily a good thing, since it effectively means less content per playthrough - and most players play the game through once at best, the number that do male and female is presumably even more limited, and the number who do male and female and romance the same person must be getting extremely small.

Modifié par Wulfram, 21 novembre 2013 - 08:08 .

[dragondreamer]

Okay, scratch Cole off the list...wasn't aware his mental state was quite *that* underdeveloped. Still holding onto my scrap of hope for Dorian. But I'm now glad I decided my Inquisitor was going to be bi-sexual, I think I may need the extra options... Of course, he could end up not romancing anyone, like my Warden, but hopefully someone will be compatible.

[dragondreamer]

Haha, some of you don't want to be stuck with Dorian, while I don't wanna be stuck with Cullen. ;p

[Dave of Canada]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, all the DA bisexual romances have had slightly divergent content. Merrill did make reference to the whole baby thing, Leliana doesn't praise male warden's hair.

Which ultimately boils down to one-two lines, I feel that's disappointing and would've liked to see more. Perhaps dealing with the Dalish prejudices in Act 3 if you're romancing Merrill if you're male due to a potential baby being human or perhaps the Dalish try to arrange her to birth an elven child if you're female.

Yes, it's one conversation (which financially means more than it sounds due to translations and stuff) but it makes it feel like they're just not swapping the he/she terminologies and your relationship exists in the world.

I would've absolutely loved Alistair being available to s/s in DA:O, it would've made the forced break-up once he becomes king far more dramatic.

I don't really see the need for more, particularly since Thedas is less prejudiced about both gender and sexuality. Though it'd potentially depend on the character.

They're not as prejudiced but there's still some exceptions, we've had the Crows who looked down on Zevran or nobility allowed to dally as long as they have an heir down the line.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Not to sound intolerant, but don't you think all this gay/bisexual stuff is off-topic for this thread?

[Cainhurst Crow]

There is no female romance options in DAI.

[franciscoamell]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I still argue that bisexual romances should get different content between orientation, the dynamic of the relationship influences greatly how people react and the expectations/difficulties one might face.

Noblewoman dating male protagonist is controversial and hated, they fear she might get pregnant with a commoner, etc.

Noblewoman dating female protagonist is viewed as a dalliance with no consequences, they see you as nothing but a plaything for her.

Character dialogue and decisions could influence characterization, people would need to play both genders rather than having the same 1:1 content and people who want s/s romances still have the option of everyone.

That's exactly what I want. It'd give so much replay value as it'd be way more interesting to romance the same character with different genders.

How did you feel about Anders's change of dialogue depending on gender?

[TeamLexana]

eluvianix wrote...

Nefla wrote...


You guys normally play as your own gender only? I like to try everything and experience all differences. To me it spices things up not to only play as what I am in real life.

In my case, I have not played as a female in any of Bioware's games. I play as if it were myself in the game more or less. Granted, I will shift race and class, but I still stick with my own gender. It seems the most familiar to me.

I usually do the same for other games, like Skyrim or Fallout, etc., etc., but for BW games, I'll role the other gender after I've played the female to the point that I'm tired of looking at it, lol. There is usually some content that I couldn't access as the female that seems like a shame to miss, like the Morrigan romance which I played a Noble Dwarf 2H warrior - first time I played a warrior and a dwarf and feel in love with the Dwarves in the process. Their Origin stories were sooo good! I felt silly for not playing them sooner. Morrigan romance was awesome too. 

For ME games and DA2, not playing the other gender also meant you didn't get to hear the dialogue of the sex. So that's a pretty big chunk of content to just skip.

Although... I never could get all the way through my male Hawkes game in DA2... The dude straight up sounded like the Sherriff of Nottingham from Men in Tights. I couldn't take him seriously at all. lololol

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

You know what they've never done as a romance option?  A nice girl (with morals, kinda like Aveline) with long blonde hair (with her hair down, too).  I would like that, though the hair color is irrelevant.  I'd be fine with be blonde, black, brown, orange or red hair.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 21 novembre 2013 - 08:43 .

[Fredward]

^ I assume by morals you mean traditional morals yeah?

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

 I heard that you'll be able to romance your mabari in DA3.  

Cassandra might be romanceable, but she migh have taken a vow of celibacy, just like Templars and priests do.  Actually, it would be nice if the PC could have a relationship with an ordinary person that he/she meets in one of the villages or cities.  They wouldn't need to do the sex scene; it could just be implied that your PC is dating that person.  A kiss would be enough.  In fact, they should even include weddings in the game, so that you could be married to someone.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

^ I assume by morals you mean traditional morals yeah?

"Traditional"?  There has been promiscuity and adultery all throughout history.  Sexually moral people wait to have sex until they are in a loving monogamous relationship with another person, and then they don't cheat on that person.

[ScarMK]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...
 I heard that you'll be able to romance your mabari in DA3.  

But can both genders romance it or does the mabari only go one way?

[Ianamus]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

^ I assume by morals you mean traditional morals yeah?

I doubt it, considering the given example was Aveline. 

And he has a point. All of the female LI's so far aren't exactly upstanding citizens. Merril's a blood mage, Isabela a pirate raider, Morrigan a dark sorceress and Leliana (the closest of the lot) an ex-assasin bard who seduced people and killed them and now believes that the Maker speaks to her. 

Cassandra would fit that category, I think. And I'm personally really hoping she's an LI. Not only the first female warrior LI, but also potentially the first Dragon Age female lead who doesn't expose herself! Who needs Morrigan or Isabela's cleavage on the marketing when you can have Cassandra bashing down gates like a human-shaped battering ram? 

Modifié par EJ107, 21 novembre 2013 - 08:55 .

[Killdren88]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

 I heard that you'll be able to romance your mabari in DA3.  

Givng a whole new meaning to doggy style...