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[Hellion Rex]

franciscoamell wrote...

Hopefully Varric will be one of them. :3

Varric is my brother. I wouldn't romance him, even if he was interested in male characters.

[Xilizhra]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Hopefully Varric will be one of them. :3

It would be rather annoying if he decided to start randomly dating people after he didn't do it the last game.

Er, why? People do change.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Hopefully Varric will be one of them. :3

It would be rather annoying if he decided to start randomly dating people after he didn't do it the last game.

Er, why? People do change.

I can certainly see him as a possible bi character.

[Icy Magebane]

@Xilizhra and eluvianix - If that's how you want to interpret it, go ahead. Personally I think it's grasping at straws since they included one bisexual female in the same game. If Morrigan were truly interested in women, and this was intended by the writers, why not just include the possibility for a female Warden?

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
I'm sorry but that in no way answers my question.  How exactly does it ruin their personality?   In what way does Morrigans personality not fit a bisexual person?  Is it possible that a persons Sexuality is entirely separate from their ideology?

Aside from outright saying she isn't interested in women?  How much more evidence do you really need?

She never does so; she only says that she dislikes Leliana ogling her. And says the same thing to male characters.

Well combine that with the fact that a female Warden can't start a romance with her, and it seems pretty clear to me.

That is hardly any proof at all.

Instead of going with in-game evidence though, we can always go with writer intention.  Going back to Cullen, the fact that he only appears to have a crush on a female mage warden implies that the writers when writing him only thought of him as straight and not interested in both sexes.  Now if they decide to go the route of making him bisexual, then that's fine, but this is usually the case as a result of wanting to be inclusive to players which is a fine reason to do so.  Same with Morrigan since all of her dialogue has plenty of cases of being interested in males, but none in females.

[Thrillian]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
I'm sorry but that in no way answers my question.  How exactly does it ruin their personality?   In what way does Morrigans personality not fit a bisexual person?  Is it possible that a persons Sexuality is entirely separate from their ideology?

Aside from outright saying she isn't interested in women?  How much more evidence do you really need?

I have never experienced that particular vein of questioning.  Please enlighten me.  Although I am unlikely to see how any particular persons sexual preference would have any bearing on said subject.

[Hellion Rex]

Icy Magebane wrote...

@Xilizhra and eluvianix - If that's how you want to interpret it, go ahead. Personally I think it's grasping at straws since they included one bisexual female in the same game. If Morrigan were truly interested in women, and this was intended by the writers, why not just include the possibility for a female Warden?

I am not saying she HAS to be bi, but what I do believe is that it is a mistake to discount the possibility.

[Thrillian]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
I'm sorry but that in no way answers my question.  How exactly does it ruin their personality?   In what way does Morrigans personality not fit a bisexual person?  Is it possible that a persons Sexuality is entirely separate from their ideology?

Aside from outright saying she isn't interested in women?  How much more evidence do you really need?

When does she say this?

[Hellion Rex]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
I'm sorry but that in no way answers my question.  How exactly does it ruin their personality?   In what way does Morrigans personality not fit a bisexual person?  Is it possible that a persons Sexuality is entirely separate from their ideology?

Aside from outright saying she isn't interested in women?  How much more evidence do you really need?

When does she say this?

She doesn't. We already explained that to him.

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra and eluvianix - If that's how you want to interpret it, go ahead. Personally I think it's grasping at straws since they included one bisexual female in the same game. If Morrigan were truly interested in women, and this was intended by the writers, why not just include the possibility for a female Warden?

An error. Corrected in DA2.

Because it was a nice change of pace to not have a character who wanted to bang the character I made.

Dog, Sten, Wynne, Oghren, Shale, Loghain and Aveline weren't enough for you?

Some people aren't interested in relationships. It wouldn't be so bad to have one in DA:I, especially if it means not dramatically changing a character just to do it.

After ten years? It doesn't seem so implausible.

I don't even want to romance Varric, but I really don't mind doing so.

[Icy Magebane]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
I'm sorry but that in no way answers my question.  How exactly does it ruin their personality?   In what way does Morrigans personality not fit a bisexual person?  Is it possible that a persons Sexuality is entirely separate from their ideology?

Aside from outright saying she isn't interested in women?  How much more evidence do you really need?

I have never experienced that particular vein of questioning.  Please enlighten me.  Although I am unlikely to see how any particular persons sexual preference would have any bearing on said subject.

Uh, in the way that expressing interest in one gender and not the other indicates that the person in question is not bisexual.  Does that not follow?  There's no social stigma attached, so "keeping it a secret" isn't relevant.

Xilizhra wrote...
An error. Corrected in DA2.

Like I said, interpret it however you want.  If you can't come up with a logical answer to this question, then clearly you are simply basing your conclusion on what you want to be true.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[Hellion Rex]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Hopefully Varric will be one of them. :3

It would be rather annoying if he decided to start randomly dating people after he didn't do it the last game.

Er, why? People do change.

Because it was a nice change of pace to not have a character who wanted to bang the character I made.

And the fact that he never showed a desire to hook up with anyone after a whole decade at all.

Some people aren't interested in relationships. It wouldn't be so bad to have one in DA:I, especially if it means not dramatically changing a character just to do it.

Or maybe that he was hung up over the loss of someone he obviously loved greatly. That kind of pain can tear someone up immensely. I think he did get some measure of closure in the comic though.

[Xilizhra]

First off, all of your examples are not from Dragon Age 2.

The last one was.

[Hellion Rex]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

@Xilizhra and eluvianix - If that's how you want to interpret it, go ahead. Personally I think it's grasping at straws since they included one bisexual female in the same game. If Morrigan were truly interested in women, and this was intended by the writers, why not just include the possibility for a female Warden?

An error. Corrected in DA2.

Because it was a nice change of pace to not have a character who wanted to bang the character I made.

Dog, Sten, Wynne, Oghren, Shale, Loghain and Aveline weren't enough for you?

Some people aren't interested in relationships. It wouldn't be so bad to have one in DA:I, especially if it means not dramatically changing a character just to do it.

After ten years? It doesn't seem so implausible.

I don't even want to romance Varric, but I really don't mind doing so.

First off, all of your examples are not from Dragon Age 2.

Second off, it wouldn't really take any skin off my nose. It would just be a random and unecessary character change.

But why is it unnecessary? I honestly could not care if he is romanceable, because I see him as a brother figure anyways. Is it that bad to have him shown to be a bi character?

[Spectre slayer]

Sigh yet again from the things the writer's and devs have been saying over the past year the companions will not be player sexual nor will they all be romancable, rather some will be straight and some will be BI, don't know how many times this has been said already.

If they have a sufficient number of LI's in DAI but only have 4 companions that can be romanced, snd have additional NPC ones to give a good number of LI's that try to make everyone happy even though that doesn't seem possible.

social.bioware.com/%20http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/17580825/2

And again Dorian might not be a companion, might not exist or he's changed completely. 

I'm not going to say whether she's a companion, or if she's even still in DAI. Not every character mentioned in that survey was a companion, and some of them either no longer exist or have changed signficantly.

Hence why I have said before not to hold it up as gospel-- you may be very disappointed.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/17126310/3

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[Thrillian]

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

To be honest, I'm okay with bi-sexual LIs. It's player sexual that is kind of weird. At least give hints that they are bi-sexual without a certain gender of PC being there. A set sexuality, no matter what, is just something that should be seen.

The LIs are not neccesarily bi sexual. they are player sexual.  So dependant on the payer character, their sexuality may or may not change.  I don't personally see a problem with this, as it will provide the most options for every player, also who gives a crap what my personal preferances are and why should they be applied to another persons first player game?

Nah, it's cool that you want that, but it would also be nice if a character could be themself without my PC's glory controlling their every thought, action, and attraction. It's just kindda weird.

I don't understand how what you described isn't possible.

No one has said that the PC's comapanions will be unable to voice their own opinion.  Also, I (in my pc) imagine that the PC will have some effect on the currect events surrounding it, and in this case, the inquisition will hopefully be able to put those in opposition into proper lock up... ie. jail;.

[daveliam]

Icy Magebane wrote...

I have never experienced that particular vein of questioning.  Please enlighten me.  Although I am unlikely to see how any particular persons sexual preference would have any bearing on said subject.

Uh, in the way that expressing interest in one gender and not the other indicates that the person in question is not bisexual.  Does that not follow?  There's no social stigma attached, so "keeping it a secret" isn't relevant.

It comes down to what you consider "evidence" in this case.  For you, expressing interest in one gender only excludes bisexuality.  The argument the others are making is that you can't necessarily exclude bisexuality as an option just because someone didn't express interest in the other gender at that time.  It's not uncommon for bisexuals to have long periods where they date one gender only.  That doesn't mean that they're not bisexual.

I tend to agree with you that Morrigan probably isn't because there wasn't an option in DA: O.  I think the other posters are just pointing out that you can't really make the assumption that you are and expect to be correct all the time.  While I think she's probably straight, I wouldn't be upset if it were revealed that she is actually bi in a future game.  The same way that it didn't bother me about Anders or Kaidan.

Modifié par daveliam, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:19 .

[HiroVoid]

But was Varric given closure if you had Alistair executed in the first game is the real question.

[HiroVoid]

[quote]daveliam wrote...

[quote]Icy Magebane wrote...

I have never experienced that particular vein of questioning.  Please enlighten me.  Although I am unlikely to see how any particular persons sexual preference would have any bearing on said subject.
[/quote]
Uh, in the way that expressing interest in one gender and not the other indicates that the person in question is not bisexual.  Does that not follow?  There's no social stigma attached, so "keeping it a secret" isn't relevant.

[/quote]

It comes down to what you consider "evidence" in this case.  For you, expressing interest in one gender only excludes bisexuality.  The argument the others are making is that you can't necessarily exclude bisexuality as an option just because someone didn't express interest in the other gender at that time.  It's not uncommon for bisexuals to have long periods where they date one gender only.  That doesn't mean that they're not bisexual.

I tend to agree with you that Morrigan probably isn't because there wasn't an option in DA: O.  I think the other posters are just pointing out that you can't really make the assumption that you are and expect to be correct all the time.  While I think she's probably straight, I wouldn't be upset if it were revealed that she is actually bi in a future game.  The same way that it didn't bother me about Anders or Kaidan.

[/quote]
Can we go on the assumption that it was the writers' intention that they had a certain sexuality that almost certainly won't change unless they find themselves in the position of being a companion?

[HiroVoid]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

But why is it unnecessary? I honestly could not care if he is romanceable, because I see him as a brother figure anyways. Is it that bad to have him shown to be a bi character?

Because he was an interesting and memorable character without the player having to kiss him. Making him romanceable adds nothing to his character...other than the ability to kiss him.

I actually do remember Mary Kirby posting in the Varric forums about Varric being an LI where if that were the case, there would have had to have been a good bit of rewriting specifically because he's meant to be the supporting friend character.

[Br3admax]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

To be honest, I'm okay with bi-sexual LIs. It's player sexual that is kind of weird. At least give hints that they are bi-sexual without a certain gender of PC being there. A set sexuality, no matter what, is just something that should be seen.

The LIs are not neccesarily bi sexual. they are player sexual.  So dependant on the payer character, their sexuality may or may not change.  I don't personally see a problem with this, as it will provide the most options for every player, also who gives a crap what my personal preferances are and why should they be applied to another persons first player game?

Nah, it's cool that you want that, but it would also be nice if a character could be themself without my PC's glory controlling their every thought, action, and attraction. It's just kindda weird.

I don't understand how what you described isn't possible.

No one has said that the PC's comapanions will be unable to voice their own opinion.  Also, I (in my pc) imagine that the PC will have some effect on the currect events surrounding it, and in this case, the inquisition will hopefully be able to put those in opposition into proper lock up... ie. jail;.

Because \\they don't. The characters change their attractions specifically for the player. Karl could very well have been Ander's lover, but as soon as FemHawke comes around he's already ready to move on. No more attraction to males, it's all FemHawke now. FemHawke is literally all he dreams about instead of the Call after that. No joke. He's being something for Hawke, not himself. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:24 .