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[Angrywolves]

older men ?
What about older women. Wynn should have been romancible in DAO but Gaider and his team were too hidebound in their thinking.
I doubt we'll see any romances with large age differences.
There were rumors of a warden companion , I expect there will be one due to Corypheus Dumat and others subverting wardens so we'll need a trustworthy warden as a party member imo.

[StarLitStranger]

Angrywolves wrote...

older men ?
What about older women. Wynn should have been romancible in DAO but Gaider and his team were too hidebound in their thinking.
I doubt we'll see any romances with large age differences.
There were rumors of a warden companion , I expect there will be one due to Corypheus Dumat and others subverting wardens so we'll need a trustworthy warden as a party member imo.

I never have wanted to romance Wynn or Samara. Maybe a character like Duncan which I guess The Bull could be similar... Who knows?

I keep hearing Cassandra is probably close to 40. I don't mind either way.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Angrywolves wrote...

older men ?
What about older women. Wynn should have been romancible in DAO but Gaider and his team were too hidebound in their thinking.
I doubt we'll see any romances with large age differences.
There were rumors of a warden companion , I expect there will be one due to Corypheus Dumat and others subverting wardens so we'll need a trustworthy warden as a party member imo.

Older woman can be hawt. Like Flemeth, even though she's conniving and uses everyone as a pawn.

[Fardreamer]

StarLitStranger wrote...



I never have wanted to romance Wynn or Samara.

Samara may have been a Matriarch, but she had the body no different from Liara who was still in her Maiden years.  I thought she was pretty sexy.  There's something appealing about a woman who is so much wiser and more experienced than you can really imagine.

[StarLitStranger]

Fardreamer wrote...

StarLitStranger wrote...



I never have wanted to romance Wynn or Samara.

Samara may have been a Matriarch, but she had the body no different from Liara who was still in her Maiden years.  I thought she was pretty sexy.  There's something appealing about a woman who is so much wiser and more experienced than you can really imagine.

See I understand that... But I draw the line around 40. That's a 15 year difference for someone like me... Once we get close to menopause I am not interested. Damn those magical bosoms though.

[TheButterflyEffect]

StarLitStranger wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

StarLitStranger wrote...



I never have wanted to romance Wynn or Samara.

Samara may have been a Matriarch, but she had the body no different from Liara who was still in her Maiden years.  I thought she was pretty sexy.  There's something appealing about a woman who is so much wiser and more experienced than you can really imagine.

See I understand that... But I draw the line around 40. That's a 15 year difference for someone like me... Once we get close to menopause I am not interested. Damn those magical bosoms though.

Mean. At least women don't become impotent or bald.

[Hazegurl]

Silfren wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Silfren wrote...
But maybe that's because I bristle at the way characters with legitimate psychological problems stemming from abuse are dismissed as whiners.  Alistair and Fenris were well-written and deserve better than such blase dismissal.

I agree. No one seems to think the Warden is whiny when they get to "whine" about being an oppressed Dalish Elf or City Elf, or about their entire family being killed, or life at the Circle of Magi etc. It's only when it's other characters "whining" that they become "whiners".
 
I admit that I think Alistair could have possibly been written a bit better, never could understand his thing with Duncan. But Fenris suffered major abuse, but because he suffered at the hands of those some people have already decided are oppressed then he's just a whiner who needs to be sold back into slavery because by daring to express his opinion he is hindering Hawke's fight against oppression.

And with me, I see Alistair's fixation on Duncan as natural enough that I don't understand why someone would not undrstand it.  The poor guy had it hammered into him his entire life that he was worthless, and he was never once made to feel as if his own opinions mattered.  He says that Duncan was the first person who ever cared about what he wanted.  I suspect that Duncan wasn't quite so altruisitic as that, but I can see how Alistair would arrive at that conclusion.  He's just so starved for validation, and he got it from Duncan; small wonder he sees the man as a father figure. 

I don't think people who dismiss Fenris as a whiner do so because they somehow think the Magisters are oppressed, I think it's mostly just a complete lack of empathy, personally. 

It didn't seem that way to me. But I didn't read any books for comics on it. It seems like Eamon treated him well and he respected the arl. The only issue being Isolde. I know he had no choice with being sent to the Templars but I don't see how that is abuse. If I were to be hard on the guy I would say that like his brother he revered the Grey Wardens too much. So much so to the point of worshipping Duncan, the man who brought him in no matter how unskilled he was. IMO, he seemed like a child clinging to Duncan or he was in love with him, idk. I still don't get it. He barely knew the guy.

And here comes Butterfly's opinion. lol! That's what makes me think most people who have issue with Fenris are ppl who just love mages and already view them as an oppressed group overall and just don't like someone telling them how much most of them deserve to have their butts sitting in Circles.  

[Hazegurl]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

StarLitStranger wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

StarLitStranger wrote...



I never have wanted to romance Wynn or Samara.

Samara may have been a Matriarch, but she had the body no different from Liara who was still in her Maiden years.  I thought she was pretty sexy.  There's something appealing about a woman who is so much wiser and more experienced than you can really imagine.

See I understand that... But I draw the line around 40. That's a 15 year difference for someone like me... Once we get close to menopause I am not interested. Damn those magical bosoms though.

Mean. At least women don't become impotent or bald.

lol! And don't forget a man's pathetic and dreaded midlife crisis, talk about becoming a predictable cosmic joke. Yeah it's totally cute seeing some 40+ year old guy trying to sit his fat*ss on a motorcycle with his three strings of hair blowing in the wind, trying to hit on 20 year old girls who all think he's a gross creeper but will valiantly stave off throwing up in bed if he has a lot of money. Of course the old guy will arrogantly believe she actually thinks he's attractive and not boinking the crap out of the hot 20 year old pool boy.

[Nefla]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the very angsty, openly emotional, young male LI's who fixate on one issue and allow their past to control them, I really don't. I enjoyed Alistair, Fenris, etc...but the writers choose to give them very angsty backstories, etc...and we end up with one character type. I would love an older, tougher, emotionally secure male LI that wasn't always angsting or talking about hurt feelings. Someone like Sagacious Zu, Canderous, Zaeed, etc...for a change.

[Angrywolves]

Bah women still like Cloney. Women still thought Newman and Redford were still handsome for a long time.
The older the berry the sweeter the juice is an expression used by some older people in ethnic neighborhoods here in the US. Guess it never made it to Canada.
People have preferences. Yes I would have romanced Wynn. Have 0 interest in romancing Varric or Iron Bull. To each their own I guess.

[Mathias]

Really hoping for Cassandra. We haven't had a female warrior as a LI yet and plus I think tough women are sexy.

[AlexanderCousland]

Hazegurl wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

StarLitStranger wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

StarLitStranger wrote...



I never have wanted to romance Wynn or Samara.

Samara may have been a Matriarch, but she had the body no different from Liara who was still in her Maiden years.  I thought she was pretty sexy.  There's something appealing about a woman who is so much wiser and more experienced than you can really imagine.

See I understand that... But I draw the line around 40. That's a 15 year difference for someone like me... Once we get close to menopause I am not interested. Damn those magical bosoms though.

Mean. At least women don't become impotent or bald.

lol! And don't forget a man's pathetic and dreaded midlife crisis, talk about becoming a predictable cosmic joke. Yeah it's totally cute seeing some 40+ year old guy trying to sit his fat*ss on a motorcycle with his three strings of hair blowing in the wind, trying to hit on 20 year old girls who all think he's a gross creeper but will valiantly stave off throwing up in bed if he has a lot of money. Of course the old guy will arrogantly believe she actually thinks he's attractive and not boinking the crap out of the hot 20 year old pool boy.

Never mind the fact that our Physical appearance never really has much bearing on our ability to mate with the Opposite sex. Hell I've seen 76 year old men with groups of 20 something year old women fawning all over his wallet, Women whom will do absolutely ANYTHING to get what's inside of it instead of working for it themselves. Predictable cosmic joke? All evidence points to the fact that as long as a Man is wealthy he will have no problem with the opposite sex no matter what age he is, and here's the kicker, Men don't really care if you think we are attractive as long as you have sex with us. Women definitely cannot say the same, as most of what makes you attractive to us fades away with time and We replace you with younger newer versions of women:wizard:


That being said, I've got no problem with a Milf Li.

[Hazegurl]

FreshIstay wrote...

Never mind the fact that our Physical appearance never really has much bearing on our ability to mate with the Opposite sex. Hell I've seen 76 year old men with groups of 20 something year old women fawning all over his wallet, Women whom will do absolutely ANYTHING to get what's inside of it instead of working for it themselves. Predictable cosmic joke? All evidence points to the fact that as long as a Man is wealthy he will have no problem with the opposite sex no matter what age he is, and here's the kicker, Men don't really care if you think we are attractive as long as you have sex with us. Women definitely cannot say the same, as most of what makes you attractive to us fades away with time and We replace you with younger newer versions of women:wizard:


That being said, I've got no problem with a Milf Li.

I can tell you that many older men still care about being seen as attractive. It's human nature, that's what everyone wants. Men who hit their midlife don't start working out cause they don't care about being attractive to someone.   No one wants to be the old guy at the club. And the cosmic joke *is* on anyone who is the old guy at the club. Both older men and older women replace each other with younger and newer versions all the time. Sorry buddy but the 1800s is over. Both men and women can get their hands on some 20 year old hunk/hottie if their wallet is fat enough to pay to play. But if you somehow need to feel worthy or superior in your manhood to continue to believe you have all the power and can just leave women lonely at your choosing. Keep on keeping on.  

Modifié par Hazegurl, 23 novembre 2013 - 05:21 .

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Never mind the fact that our Physical appearance never really has much bearing on our ability to mate with the Opposite sex. Hell I've seen 76 year old men with groups of 20 something year old women fawning all over his wallet, Women whom will do absolutely ANYTHING to get what's inside of it instead of working for it themselves. Predictable cosmic joke? All evidence points to the fact that as long as a Man is wealthy he will have no problem with the opposite sex no matter what age he is, and here's the kicker, Men don't really care if you think we are attractive as long as you have sex with us. Women definitely cannot say the same, as most of what makes you attractive to us fades away with time and We replace you with younger newer versions of women:wizard:


That being said, I've got no problem with a Milf Li.

I can tell you that many older men still care about being seen as attractive. It's human nature, that's what everyone wants. Men who hit their midlife don't start working out cause they don't care about being attractive to someone.   No one wants to be the old guy at the club. And the cosmic joke *is* on anyone who is the old guy at the club. Both older men and older women replace each other with younger and newer versions all the time. Sorry buddy but the 1800s is over. Both men and women can get their hands on some 20 year old hunk/hottie if their wallet is fat enough to pay to play. But if you somehow need to feel worthy or superior in your manhood to continue to believe you have all the power and can just leave women lonely at your choosing. Keep on keeping on.  

*Insert "preach girl, preach" meme here*

[Silfren]

Hazegurl wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Silfren wrote...
But maybe that's because I bristle at the way characters with legitimate psychological problems stemming from abuse are dismissed as whiners.  Alistair and Fenris were well-written and deserve better than such blase dismissal.

I agree. No one seems to think the Warden is whiny when they get to "whine" about being an oppressed Dalish Elf or City Elf, or about their entire family being killed, or life at the Circle of Magi etc. It's only when it's other characters "whining" that they become "whiners".
 
I admit that I think Alistair could have possibly been written a bit better, never could understand his thing with Duncan. But Fenris suffered major abuse, but because he suffered at the hands of those some people have already decided are oppressed then he's just a whiner who needs to be sold back into slavery because by daring to express his opinion he is hindering Hawke's fight against oppression.

And with me, I see Alistair's fixation on Duncan as natural enough that I don't understand why someone would not undrstand it.  The poor guy had it hammered into him his entire life that he was worthless, and he was never once made to feel as if his own opinions mattered.  He says that Duncan was the first person who ever cared about what he wanted.  I suspect that Duncan wasn't quite so altruisitic as that, but I can see how Alistair would arrive at that conclusion.  He's just so starved for validation, and he got it from Duncan; small wonder he sees the man as a father figure. 

I don't think people who dismiss Fenris as a whiner do so because they somehow think the Magisters are oppressed, I think it's mostly just a complete lack of empathy, personally. 

It didn't seem that way to me. But I didn't read any books for comics on it. It seems like Eamon treated him well and he respected the arl. The only issue being Isolde. I know he had no choice with being sent to the Templars but I don't see how that is abuse. If I were to be hard on the guy I would say that like his brother he revered the Grey Wardens too much. So much so to the point of worshipping Duncan, the man who brought him in no matter how unskilled he was. IMO, he seemed like a child clinging to Duncan or he was in love with him, idk. I still don't get it. He barely knew the guy.

And here comes Butterfly's opinion. lol! That's what makes me think most people who have issue with Fenris are ppl who just love mages and already view them as an oppressed group overall and just don't like someone telling them how much most of them deserve to have their butts sitting in Circles.  

Alistair refers to being made to sleep in the stables and of having his status as a bastard commoner hammered home to him again and again.  Plus there's his crap self-esteem which backs all of that up: the depth of his self-doubt and utter lack of confidence don't come from nothing.  Isolde was far from the only issue, though obviously her contempt for him was a part of it.  And Eamon himself makes it clear that he has little interest in what Alistair himself wants.  After all those years of making sure Alistair was not a threat to Cailan, suddenly Eamon is going out of his way to guilt Alistair into thinking that it's his duty to take the throne, when it seems clear to me that Eamon knows very well that if Alistair sits the throne, he'll be a puppet for Eamon. 

Sure, Alistair cares for Arl Eamon, but since when has this ever ruled out a lifetime of emotional abuse?

I'm a little gobsmacked to see anyone suggest that Alistair behaved as if he was in love with Duncan.  I'd be lying if I didn't admit that seems absurd to me.  I always thought it was obvious that Alistair simply saw Duncan as a father figure.  He makes it clear that his adoration of Duncan is based on his impression that Duncan actually cared about his opinion.  Nor is it ever suggested anywhere that Duncan brought Alistair into the Wardens despite the latter being unskilled.  This is where I think Alistairs impression of Duncan and the Wardens is skewed by his relief and appreciation for having a chance to get out of being a Templar: Duncan clearly would NOT have recruited Alistair if he hadn't thought Alistair would be a good fit for the Wardens.  And who says that Alistair barely knew the guy? By the time we meet Alistair in Ostagar, he's been with Duncan and the Wardens for six months.  There were things he didn't know, of course, and things he was just plain blind to, but I don't think he could be said to barely know Duncan afer having been in the Wardens for that long.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Silfren wrote...
But maybe that's because I bristle at the way characters with legitimate psychological problems stemming from abuse are dismissed as whiners.  Alistair and Fenris were well-written and deserve better than such blase dismissal.

I agree. No one seems to think the Warden is whiny when they get to "whine" about being an oppressed Dalish Elf or City Elf, or about their entire family being killed, or life at the Circle of Magi etc. It's only when it's other characters "whining" that they become "whiners".
 
I admit that I think Alistair could have possibly been written a bit better, never could understand his thing with Duncan. But Fenris suffered major abuse, but because he suffered at the hands of those some people have already decided are oppressed then he's just a whiner who needs to be sold back into slavery because by daring to express his opinion he is hindering Hawke's fight against oppression.

And with me, I see Alistair's fixation on Duncan as natural enough that I don't understand why someone would not undrstand it.  The poor guy had it hammered into him his entire life that he was worthless, and he was never once made to feel as if his own opinions mattered.  He says that Duncan was the first person who ever cared about what he wanted.  I suspect that Duncan wasn't quite so altruisitic as that, but I can see how Alistair would arrive at that conclusion.  He's just so starved for validation, and he got it from Duncan; small wonder he sees the man as a father figure. 

I don't think people who dismiss Fenris as a whiner do so because they somehow think the Magisters are oppressed, I think it's mostly just a complete lack of empathy, personally. 

It didn't seem that way to me. But I didn't read any books for comics on it. It seems like Eamon treated him well and he respected the arl. The only issue being Isolde. I know he had no choice with being sent to the Templars but I don't see how that is abuse. If I were to be hard on the guy I would say that like his brother he revered the Grey Wardens too much. So much so to the point of worshipping Duncan, the man who brought him in no matter how unskilled he was. IMO, he seemed like a child clinging to Duncan or he was in love with him, idk. I still don't get it. He barely knew the guy.

And here comes Butterfly's opinion. lol! That's what makes me think most people who have issue with Fenris are ppl who just love mages and already view them as an oppressed group overall and just don't like someone telling them how much most of them deserve to have their butts sitting in Circles.  

Alistair refers to being made to sleep in the stables and of having his status as a bastard commoner hammered home to him again and again.  Plus there's his crap self-esteem which backs all of that up: the depth of his self-doubt and utter lack of confidence don't come from nothing.  Isolde was far from the only issue, though obviously her contempt for him was a part of it.  And Eamon himself makes it clear that he has little interest in what Alistair himself wants.  After all those years of making sure Alistair was not a threat to Cailan, suddenly Eamon is going out of his way to guilt Alistair into thinking that it's his duty to take the throne, when it seems clear to me that Eamon knows very well that if Alistair sits the throne, he'll be a puppet for Eamon. 

Sure, Alistair cares for Arl Eamon, but since when has this ever ruled out a lifetime of emotional abuse?

I'm a little gobsmacked to see anyone suggest that Alistair behaved as if he was in love with Duncan.  I'd be lying if I didn't admit that seems absurd to me.  I always thought it was obvious that Alistair simply saw Duncan as a father figure.  He makes it clear that his adoration of Duncan is based on his impression that Duncan actually cared about his opinion.  Nor is it ever suggested anywhere that Duncan brought Alistair into the Wardens despite the latter being unskilled.  This is where I think Alistairs impression of Duncan and the Wardens is skewed by his relief and appreciation for having a chance to get out of being a Templar: Duncan clearly would NOT have recruited Alistair if he hadn't thought Alistair would be a good fit for the Wardens.  And who says that Alistair barely knew the guy? By the time we meet Alistair in Ostagar, he's been with Duncan and the Wardens for six months.  There were things he didn't know, of course, and things he was just plain blind to, but I don't think he could be said to barely know Duncan afer having been in the Wardens for that long.

That was a very well written post, and I totally agree.

[Angrywolves]

Duncan was a father figure to Allistair.

[Lady Lionheart]

I don't want to romance some ancient dude, I don't mind if one's in the party for you guys to molest, but just keep them away from my femquisitor, please.


20-35 That is all.

[Hellion Rex]

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

I don't want to romance some ancient dude, I don't mind if one's in the party for you guys to molest, but just keep them away from my femquisitor, please.


20-35 That is all.

Cullen fangirl?

[Lady Lionheart]

^^^ I suppose.

[dragondreamer]

 I'd say Alistair was in love with Duncan, but there's different kinds of love, y'know.

Didn't stop my Warden from being jealous of Duncan. 

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

I don't want to romance some ancient dude, I don't mind if one's in the party for you guys to molest, but just keep them away from my femquisitor, please.


20-35 That is all.

Cullen fangirl?

I have to admit I have little interest in an LI that's more than a few years older than what I would perceive the Inquisitor to be.  It's a personal hangup, though.  IRL I find any number of people attractive who are considerably older or younger than myself but my internal filter has a tendency to automagically prevent me from even considering someone as a potential partner if there's an age difference of more than about five years.  I couldn't begin to explain why; I've always been this way.  Has nothing whatsoever to do with gender, though.  I'm an equal-opportunity ageist.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

I don't want to romance some ancient dude, I don't mind if one's in the party for you guys to molest, but just keep them away from my femquisitor, please.


20-35 That is all.

Cullen fangirl?

I have to admit I have little interest in an LI that's more than a few years older than what I would perceive the Inquisitor to be.  It's a personal hangup, though.  IRL I find any number of people attractive who are considerably older or younger than myself but my internal filter has a tendency to automagically prevent me from even considering someone as a potential partner if there's an age difference of more than about five years.  I couldn't begin to explain why; I've always been this way.  Has nothing whatsoever to do with gender, though.  I'm an equal-opportunity ageist.

But dat Grey Warden doe!!!!
And do not tell me that you didn't do a little fantasizing about Duncan;)

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I have to admit I have little interest in an LI that's more than a few years older than what I would perceive the Inquisitor to be.  It's a personal hangup, though.  IRL I find any number of people attractive who are considerably older or younger than myself but my internal filter has a tendency to automagically prevent me from even considering someone as a potential partner if there's an age difference of more than about five years.  I couldn't begin to explain why; I've always been this way.  Has nothing whatsoever to do with gender, though.  I'm an equal-opportunity ageist.

But dat Grey Warden doe!!!!
And do not tell me that you didn't do a little fantasizing about Duncan;)

I will tell you exactly that.  Maybe I haven't been clear on precisely how much I utterly loathe facial hair.

Modifié par Silfren, 23 novembre 2013 - 06:07 .