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[Karlone123]

[quote]Silfren wrote...


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Here it is, as predicted!

That said, you've belabored your opinion that he is pathetic a million times already.  I'd prefer something of a little bit more substance for the discussion, please.

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I wouldn't if I was you, you're just going to get more antagonized by whatever Bytterfly talks about, I don't much like butterfly's attitude but distance yourself from talking less you want drive yourself up the wall.

[Plaintiff]

Personally, I'd prefer it if Alistair wasn't Fiona's son. There's a lot going on with Alistair's character as it is, and I'm only willing to accept so many layers of conspiracy before the whole thing just becomes tedious.

Also, I rather like the idea of Maric frolicking around Thedas, leaving a trail of bastard children in his wake.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Plaintiff wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

He's still pathetic.

Easy to say from the comfort of your home, when you're in no danger of experiencing even a fraction of what Alistair puts up with.

Well, I do have a raging and painful infection in my lymph nodes at the moment. 

[Karlone123]

Silfren wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

And the fact that Devs seemingly refuse to confirm this beyond all doubt speaks volumes.

Just as a note, I made the mistake once of responding to a fan that demanded an answer for a question and ended up regretting it because it just reinforced that it was a good idea and that I would respond to further requests like that.

Which just put me in an awkward place so I wouldn't read too much into the lack of dev commentary on some stuff, even if there are some things that we do confirm/deny.

Speaking NOT as a writer (i.e. someone that doesn't know all the details or thought processes that went into something), it's also sometimes just fun to see people come up with various hypotheses for things.

Yeah, Gaider says as much on the thread of Inquisitor prophecies.  Of course, someone always has to interpret his words in a way that paints him as negative toward the fans.

I almost worship Gaider. Just a joke! I enjoy his material.

Modifié par Karlone123, 23 novembre 2013 - 11:30 .

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer it if Alistair wasn't Fiona's son. There's a lot going on with Alistair's character as it is, and I'm only willing to accept so many layers of conspiracy before the whole thing just becomes tedious.

Also, I rather like the idea of Maric frolicking around Thedas, leaving a trail of bastard children in his wake.

I would agree with this.  I simply don't think that Alistair IS Fiona's son, and I would prefer it to stay that way. 

[Hazegurl]

Silfren wrote...
I agree that with a Blight on there's no time to give Alistair proper therapy lessons.  Still I wish that we'd had a dialogue option somewhere between sympathy and hostilty.  Something like "Okay, I know it kind of sucks for you right now but Alistair c'mon I need you to step up to the plate.  What would Duncan want you to do?"
 

I love this! It would had been so awesome to remind him of what Duncan would do. Perhaps make it a second way you could harden him but with different results. Telling him everyone is out for themselves will make him take the throne while asking him what Duncan would do would make him turn down the throne on his own and stay a Grey Warden.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer it if Alistair wasn't Fiona's son. There's a lot going on with Alistair's character as it is, and I'm only willing to accept so many layers of conspiracy before the whole thing just becomes tedious.

Also, I rather like the idea of Maric frolicking around Thedas, leaving a trail of bastard children in his wake.

I would agree with this.  I simply don't think that Alistair IS Fiona's son, and I would prefer it to stay that way. 

The only reason I would like Fiona to be Alistair's mother is because thinking about who the bastard child could be drives me insane. There is only so much mystery in a series that I can take!

[Hellion Rex]

Plaintiff wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer it if Alistair wasn't Fiona's son. There's a lot going on with Alistair's character as it is, and I'm only willing to accept so many layers of conspiracy before the whole thing just becomes tedious.

Also, I rather like the idea of Maric frolicking around Thedas, leaving a trail of bastard children in his wake.

Why? I am just curious.

[Silfren]

Hazegurl wrote...

Silfren wrote...
I agree that with a Blight on there's no time to give Alistair proper therapy lessons.  Still I wish that we'd had a dialogue option somewhere between sympathy and hostilty.  Something like "Okay, I know it kind of sucks for you right now but Alistair c'mon I need you to step up to the plate.  What would Duncan want you to do?"
 

I love this! It would had been so awesome to remind him of what Duncan would do. Perhaps make it a second way you could harden him but with different results. Telling him everyone is out for themselves will make him take the throne while asking him what Duncan would do would make him turn down the throne on his own and stay a Grey Warden.

Wouldn't it though?  I've often thought that if we'd just been allowed to it would have helped him so much to just be able to say to Alistair something like "Alistair, come on, I know what you've been told all your life.  But Duncan saw something in you.  Now, are you going to be the man he thought you were, or will you let him down?"

I think something like that would have gone a LONG way toward shoring up Alistair's self-confidence and making him want to live up to Duncan's faith in him.  Alas that the game only lets us choose between coddling him and being a total *ss to him instead.

Modifié par Silfren, 24 novembre 2013 - 12:19 .

[Plaintiff]

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer it if Alistair wasn't Fiona's son. There's a lot going on with Alistair's character as it is, and I'm only willing to accept so many layers of conspiracy before the whole thing just becomes tedious.

Also, I rather like the idea of Maric frolicking around Thedas, leaving a trail of bastard children in his wake.

Why? I am just curious.

Why not? From my limited experience with his character, it seems like something he'd do. Maric doesn't strike me as a particularly moral person. He already left one child to rot in Arl Eamon's stables.

[Hellion Rex]

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer it if Alistair wasn't Fiona's son. There's a lot going on with Alistair's character as it is, and I'm only willing to accept so many layers of conspiracy before the whole thing just becomes tedious.

Also, I rather like the idea of Maric frolicking around Thedas, leaving a trail of bastard children in his wake.

Why? I am just curious.

Why not? From my limited experience with his character, it seems like something he'd do. Maric doesn't strike me as a particularly moral person. He already left one child to rot in Arl Eamon's stables.

Fair enough. I do not know much about Maric's character beyond his leaving of Alistair, so I was curious as to your reasoning. I personally have not read Stolen Throne or the Calling.

Modifié par eluvianix, 24 novembre 2013 - 12:36 .

[Br3admax]

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

I am sorry, what? To honor Rowan's memory?

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

Again, we don't know for certain that that actually was Alistair.  If not, then Plaintiff is talking about Alistair as the third child, who was left by Maric in the care of Arl Eamon, not given to Duncan at all.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

I am sorry, what? To honor Rowan's memory?

This is one of the reasons why I think Alistair was a third child of Maric's, not Fiona's unnamed child from The Calling.  What's said in that book simply doesn't match up with anything that's mentioned about it in Origins.  It certainly makes no sense that Maric would've given a child to Duncan to honor Rowan.  The book itself refutes this, saying he gave up the child per Fiona's wishes, not his own or any notion of honoring his dead wife.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

Again, we don't know for certain that that actually was Alistair.  If not, then Plaintiff is talking about Alistair as the third child, who was left by Maric in the care of Arl Eamon, not given to Duncan at all.

Did not Loghain have a hand in pushing Eamon to take in Alistair though?

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

Again, we don't know for certain that that actually was Alistair.  If not, then Plaintiff is talking about Alistair as the third child, who was left by Maric in the care of Arl Eamon, not given to Duncan at all.

The idea of a third child that Duncan somehow just threw somewhere just always seemed out of place to me. IDK. We can never "know," well not now anyway, but I believe more in the Alistait theory than the random maid that literally only one person actually not involved mentions. 

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, lets get back OT.

[Plaintiff]

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

That's the worst reasoning I've ever ****ing heard.

Instead of worrying about his dead wife, Maric's reasoning should've been based on what was best for Alistair's wellbeing. The fact that it wasn't just highlights Maric as an inept, neglectful parent, and an all-around terrible human being.

Not to mention a poor planner, for failing to provide any legitimate heirs to replace Cailan in the event of his being crushed by an ogre. And this in spite of the fact that Flemeth explicitly warned him a Blight was coming.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 24 novembre 2013 - 12:50 .

[Br3admax]

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

He actually gave Alistair to Duncan to honor his wife's memory. Not because he's an awful person.

That's the worst reasoning I've ever ****ing heard.

Instead of worrying about his dead wife, Maric's reasoning should've been based on what was best for Alistair's wellbeing. The fact that it wasn't just highlights Maric as an inept, neglectful parent, and an all-around terrible human being.

Bastard children tend to not do well historically when put into the spotlight. I think that Maric did in fact think of Alistair's wellbeing and shielding both of his sons, or three if you so believe, from such things.

Not to mention a poor planner, for failing to provide any legitimate heirs to replace Cailan in the event of his being crushed by an ogre. And this in spite of the fact that Flemeth explicitly warned him a Blight was coming.

Bastard children do not have any legitament claim to the throne. The only reason that Alistar can take it is because the Landsmeet allowed it. Not becasue he really had an actual claim. 

[Hellion Rex]

Gentlemen, OT?

[Plaintiff]

Br3ad wrote...
Bastard children tend to not do well historically when put into the spotlight. I think that Maric did in fact think of Alistair's wellbeing and shielding both of his sons, or three if you so believe, from such things.

And of course the only other option is to leave him in someone's stables on the other side of the country, where he'll be subject to the verbal abuse and manipulations of a jealous harpy, before being dumped at the church like a sack of old clothes.

Bastard children do not have any legitament claim to the throne. The only reason that Alistar can take it is because the Landsmeet allowed it. Not becasue he really had an actual claim.

Hence my criticism of Maric for failing to remarry and provide legitimate heirs. Thanks for proving my point.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Br3ad wrote...
Bastard children tend to not do well historically when put into the spotlight. I think that Maric did in fact think of Alistair's wellbeing and shielding both of his sons, or three if you so believe, from such things.

The poor bastard children of King Robert Baratheon from Game of Thrones

Modifié par DinoSteve, 24 novembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Gentlemen, OT?

Well instead of BS(backseat, no insults of course). you could actually start the topic. Which their really isn't one of because we know next to nothing. . 

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Gentlemen, OT?

Well instead of BS(backseat, no insults of course). you could actually start the topic. Which their really isn't one of because we know next to nothing. . 

How bout that Cassandra?

Happy now?