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[HiroVoid]

daveliam wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Then you at least partially get writers' intentions.  While it's not always proof, it works very well to predict future events.  If we go by what the author had already made of the character from their previous appearance and how they were there, we can figure out what the author's intentions for that character was.  Sometimes, these intentions change when it comes to other reasons such as becoming a companion where the intentions for the character changes to match with the player's enjoyment as the protagonist.  As this is usually the only reason to go from the sexual preferences intentions to another intention for the character, I can safely assume that unless the character becomes a companion, they almost certainly won't change in this part of their character unless they become a companion.

I think that this is why I'm perhaps a bit frustrated in this discussion.  I don't see it as a CHANGE in sexuality to reveal that a person who you thought was straight was actually not and was bisexual.  I agree that Cullen was probably written with the intention of being straight, but without either the character OR author saying explicitly that he is not interested in men, then it's not a CHANGE in sexuality to reveal that he is bisexual (and has been the entire time).

It's not really that frustrating to me.  I really don't care if they turn out to be bisexual.  I'll personally think it's simply the writers' intentions changing to suit what they think feels better in a future game.  I'm simply saying that writers' intentions are an important viewpoint to take in where you can take an accurate or educated guess based on previous writing.  It's similar to saying all predictions are equal because nobody has solid proof which is inaccurate.  There's a large difference between someone making a guess based on personal hope and one based on looking at previous writing, writers' habits, and differences when certain outcomes happen.

I don't mean to be causing any unneccesary frustration since I believe what you're frustrated about is something that doesn't even matter to me really.  If they do turn out to be bisexual in a later game, the intention at that point will be that they've always been bisexual in the lore of the game even if that wasn't the intention when the writer wrote the previous work.

[AlexanderCousland]

eluvianix wrote...

can we drop the Morrigan tangent and get back on topic?

In fairness Morrigan=Gaider so...she is kind of a male LI. 
Hopefully that didn't damage anyone's view of Morrigan, lol.

[TEWR]

Addendum: Stroud could be a romance option, with his badass mustache.

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, Varric, and Varric's Chest Hair will be the romance options.

The chest hair will affix itself to people randomly, assuming direct control and making them three times as sexy.

Imagine the Iron Bull with Varric's Chest hair.

No... imagine Cassandra with Varric's chest hair!

Now I have to go wash my eyes out with iodine...jerk.<_<

EMBRACE THE SEXY

[Icy Magebane]

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Addendum: Stroud could be a romance option, with his badass mustache.

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, Varric, and Varric's Chest Hair will be the romance options.

The chest hair will affix itself to people randomly, assuming direct control and making them three times as sexy.

Imagine the Iron Bull with Varric's Chest hair.

No... imagine Cassandra with Varric's chest hair!

Now I have to go wash my eyes out with iodine...jerk.<_<

EMBRACE THE SEXY

I. LOATHE. YOU.

[Hellion Rex]

Icy Magebane wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

That is why I think his romance subplot could be interesting. Perhaps his quest could deal with maybe trying to replicate what happened to Fiona.

[HiroVoid]

Icy Magebane wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

Yeah.  I'm guessing one of the convos at least will probably be him being close to his calling with him probably being somewhere in his late 40s to early 50s.

[AlexanderCousland]

eluvianix wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Well, the reason she was so pushy on a male warden was to help make the DR decision lean her way at the end of the game.

I could see her using her sex appeal on both males and females if she feels it would gain her a better advantage, but that's because her want of power and position exceeds her sexual interest which can include males she has no interest in.

Sounds like Morrigan, and eerily like alot of women. I have just been enlightened and saddened all at the same time.

Happily as a gay guy, I don't have to deal with any of that!!!
:wizard:

Good for you my friend. But I'm going to have to remind you that you DO deal with harder things all the time. 

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

That is why I think his romance subplot could be interesting. Perhaps his quest could deal with maybe trying to replicate what happened to Fiona.

Going on previous Bioware history, I'd say anyone's hopes for that is about as good as uh.....a "certain" other LI in another Bioware game whose name I won't spoil.  Either way, Bioware tends to be mostly in favor of the tragic outcomes in these cases, so I doubt they'd go into that conflict only to give him a way out.  Of course, I guess he could always go down the same route as Utha.

[Hellion Rex]

FreshIstay wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Well, the reason she was so pushy on a male warden was to help make the DR decision lean her way at the end of the game.

I could see her using her sex appeal on both males and females if she feels it would gain her a better advantage, but that's because her want of power and position exceeds her sexual interest which can include males she has no interest in.

Sounds like Morrigan, and eerily like alot of women. I have just been enlightened and saddened all at the same time.

Happily as a gay guy, I don't have to deal with any of that!!!
:wizard:

Good for you my friend. But I'm going to have to remind you that you DO deal with harder things all the time. 

I like to think that such hardship makes me a much stronger person than some who do not suffer the same things that I deal with on a daily basis.

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

That is why I think his romance subplot could be interesting. Perhaps his quest could deal with maybe trying to replicate what happened to Fiona.

Going on previous Bioware history, I'd say anyone's hopes for that is about as good as uh.....a "certain" other LI in another Bioware game whose name I won't spoil.  Either way, Bioware tends to be mostly in favor of the tragic outcomes in these cases, so I doubt they'd go into that conflict only to give him a way out.  Of course, I guess he could always go down the same route as Utha.

Huh?:blink:Who are you referring to?

[Icy Magebane]

I'm starting to think that the easiest way to determine who will or will not be a companion is the amount of turmoil inherent to their character. So I'm changing my male predictions to Grey Warden and Cullen (fan favorite), with Male Qunari as the third option, if there is a third (which I doubt).

Since we've only seen 2 females, I have no idea.

[Hellion Rex]

Icy Magebane wrote...

I'm starting to think that the easiest way to determine who will or will not be a companion is the amount of turmoil inherent to their character. So I'm changing my male predictions to Grey Warden and Cullen (fan favorite), with Male Qunari as the third option, if there is a third (which I doubt).

Since we've only seen 2 females, I have no idea.

I would perfectly be happy with those two LI's.

[AlexanderCousland]

eluvianix wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Well, the reason she was so pushy on a male warden was to help make the DR decision lean her way at the end of the game.

I could see her using her sex appeal on both males and females if she feels it would gain her a better advantage, but that's because her want of power and position exceeds her sexual interest which can include males she has no interest in.

Sounds like Morrigan, and eerily like alot of women. I have just been enlightened and saddened all at the same time.

Happily as a gay guy, I don't have to deal with any of that!!!
:wizard:

Good for you my friend. But I'm going to have to remind you that you DO deal with harder things all the time. 

I like to think that such hardship makes me a much stronger person than some who do not suffer the same things that I deal with on a daily basis.

You missed the funny I made:(

Yes, you walk a path Im glad that I dont have to. I can Imagine it takes a great deal of mental fortitude to do so and based on that assumption I would say you are Indeed a strong person, wether or not you are stronger then those who are unlike you is debatable. But we must return to the topic my friend...I haven't read your opinion on the type of Li you want...care to oblige?

Modifié par FreshIstay, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:12 .

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

That is why I think his romance subplot could be interesting. Perhaps his quest could deal with maybe trying to replicate what happened to Fiona.

Going on previous Bioware history, I'd say anyone's hopes for that is about as good as uh.....a "certain" other LI in another Bioware game whose name I won't spoil.  Either way, Bioware tends to be mostly in favor of the tragic outcomes in these cases, so I doubt they'd go into that conflict only to give him a way out.  Of course, I guess he could always go down the same route as Utha.

Huh?:blink:Who are you referring to?

He dies which is the reason I'm not saying it, and the BSN sucks, so I can't use a spoiler tag.

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Grey Warden for LI anyone?

Sounds good, but isn't he getting kind of close to his Calling?  Seems like a bittersweet romance in the making.  Actually, this could be a good source of drama that isn't forced, and is just a part of being a Grey Warde, one that often gets forgotten.

That is why I think his romance subplot could be interesting. Perhaps his quest could deal with maybe trying to replicate what happened to Fiona.

Going on previous Bioware history, I'd say anyone's hopes for that is about as good as uh.....a "certain" other LI in another Bioware game whose name I won't spoil.  Either way, Bioware tends to be mostly in favor of the tragic outcomes in these cases, so I doubt they'd go into that conflict only to give him a way out.  Of course, I guess he could always go down the same route as Utha.

Huh?:blink:Who are you referring to?

He dies which is the reason I'm not saying it, and the BSN sucks, so I can't use a spoiler tag.

OH! Gotcha. Never mind. I know to whom you are referring.

[Hellion Rex]

FreshIstay wrote...

Yes, you walk a path Im glad that I dont have to. I can Imagine it takes a great deal of mental fortitude to do so and based on that assumption I would say you are Indeed a strong person, wether or not you are stronger then those who are unlike you is debatable. But we must return to the topic my friend...I haven't read your opinion on the type of Li you want...care to oblige?

Well, out of what we know so far, I would prefer a male LI that remains outside of the Mage and Templar extremes, even though I am heavily pro-mage. I did not like the two polar extremes of Anders and Fenris. Nonetheless, out of the characters we have seen, I would honestly prefer the Iron Bull or the Grey Warden or even Cullen, if the first two are not an option. I see Cullen as a moderate, not extreme templar. This is of course assuming that these Male LI's are bi or gay of course.


Edit: Now I see the funny, man! I do enjoy things that are hard. Lord help me if Iron Bull is a bi or gay LI!!:wub:

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:17 .

[Br3admax]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

To be honest, I'm okay with bi-sexual LIs. It's player sexual that is kind of weird. At least give hints that they are bi-sexual without a certain gender of PC being there. A set sexuality, no matter what, is just something that should be seen.

The LIs are not neccesarily bi sexual. they are player sexual.  So dependant on the payer character, their sexuality may or may not change.  I don't personally see a problem with this, as it will provide the most options for every player, also who gives a crap what my personal preferances are and why should they be applied to another persons first player game?

Nah, it's cool that you want that, but it would also be nice if a character could be themself without my PC's glory controlling their every thought, action, and attraction. It's just kindda weird.

I don't understand how what you described isn't possible.

No one has said that the PC's comapanions will be unable to voice their own opinion.  Also, I (in my pc) imagine that the PC will have some effect on the currect events surrounding it, and in this case, the inquisition will hopefully be able to put those in opposition into proper lock up... ie. jail;.

Because they don't. The characters change their attractions specifically for the player. Karl could very well have been Ander's lover, but as soon as FemHawke comes around he's already ready to move on. No more attraction to males, it's all FemHawke now. FemHawke is literally all he dreams about instead of the Call after that. No joke. He's being something for Hawke, not himself. 

Alright, what you describe are two different scenarios that are resolved based on different outcomes.

Not really. The characters in DA ][ were tailored toward the PC. You can deny it, and this may have some merit, but even the devs have seen this much. They don't speak of the changes coming to romances for no reason. 

[TheButterflyEffect]

I don't care. As long as they actually care about the PC enough to never drop him/her like burned toast. And then spill crocodile tears and a pathetic speech over his/her lifeless corpse...

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:25 .

[AlexanderCousland]

eluvianix wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Yes, you walk a path Im glad that I dont have to. I can Imagine it takes a great deal of mental fortitude to do so and based on that assumption I would say you are Indeed a strong person, wether or not you are stronger then those who are unlike you is debatable. But we must return to the topic my friend...I haven't read your opinion on the type of Li you want...care to oblige?

Well, out of what we know so far, I would prefer a male LI that remains outside of the Mage and Templar extremes, even though I am heavily pro-mage. I did not like the two polar extremes of Anders and Fenris. Nonetheless, out of the characters we have seen, I would honestly prefer the Iron Bull or the Grey Warden or even Cullen, if the first two are not an option. I see Cullen as a moderate, not extreme templar. This is of course assuming that these Male LI's are bi or gay of course.


Edit: Now I see the funny, man! I do enjoy things that are hard. Lord help me if Iron Bull is a bi or gay LI!!:wub:

Iron Bull? Jesus dude...You're a beast. LOL he's like the Dragon Age LeBron James lol.
You really think Cullen' s moderate?, he did insist that the Warden invoke annulment on Kinloch Hold.
For me, I just hope I get someone PHYSICALLY similar to Isabela again, Morrigan is cool and all she's just pale.

[Hellion Rex]

FreshIstay wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Yes, you walk a path Im glad that I dont have to. I can Imagine it takes a great deal of mental fortitude to do so and based on that assumption I would say you are Indeed a strong person, wether or not you are stronger then those who are unlike you is debatable. But we must return to the topic my friend...I haven't read your opinion on the type of Li you want...care to oblige?

Well, out of what we know so far, I would prefer a male LI that remains outside of the Mage and Templar extremes, even though I am heavily pro-mage. I did not like the two polar extremes of Anders and Fenris. Nonetheless, out of the characters we have seen, I would honestly prefer the Iron Bull or the Grey Warden or even Cullen, if the first two are not an option. I see Cullen as a moderate, not extreme templar. This is of course assuming that these Male LI's are bi or gay of course.


Edit: Now I see the funny, man! I do enjoy things that are hard. Lord help me if Iron Bull is a bi or gay LI!!:wub:

Iron Bull? Jesus dude...You're a beast. LOL he's like the Dragon Age LeBron James lol.
You really think Cullen' s moderate?, he did insist that the Warden invoke annulment on Kinloch Hold.
For me, I just hope I get someone PHYSICALLY similar to Isabela again, Morrigan is cool and all she's just pale.

Haha, what can I say? I like 'em big;). As for Cullen, I liked DA2 better. He seemed like he had grown out of his crazy phase from being tortured by Uldred in the Broken Circle.
And I love Isabella's character. Very self-confident, and not caring what people thought of her.

[Hellion Rex]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I don't care. As long as they actually care about the PC enough to never drop him/her like burned toast. And then spill crocodile tears and a pathetic speech over his/her lifeless corpse...

This is rather important too, at the end of the day.

[Hellion Rex]

@Br3ad, would you prefer they go the route of ME3 then?