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[dragondreamer]

I'm hoping for Dorian and Cole, although neither are even confirmed as companions, so.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Well Alitair just dumped you like a piece of garbage, and whined constantly about you doing bad things. Anders, however, stuck by you in the end, no matter what. He also wasn't above doing a lot of morally questionable things (even besides blowing up the Chantry), and didn't criticize Hawke's darker actions so much. So, they weren't entirely the same.

Also, Zevran was a bazillion times more sane and a lot less whingy than Fenris. He was also a much more caring and attentive lover, who, again, stays by the PC's side through thick and thin.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:57 .

[Hellion Rex]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well Alitair just dumped you like a piece of garbage, and whined constantly about you doing bad things. Anders, however, stuck by you in the end, no matter what. He also wasn't above doing a lot of morally questionable things (even besides blowing up the Chantry), and didn't criticize Hawke's darker actions so much. So, they weren't entirely the same.

I always hardened Alistair, because I knew that it would leave him better off in the end. 
Edit: I loved Zevran's romance. He had self-confidence comparable to Isabela's. 

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:58 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

eluvianix wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well Alitair just dumped you like a piece of garbage, and whined constantly about you doing bad things. Anders, however, stuck by you in the end, no matter what. He also wasn't above doing a lot of morally questionable things (even besides blowing up the Chantry), and didn't criticize Hawke's darker actions so much. So, they weren't entirely the same.

I always hardened Alistair, because I knew that it would leave him better off in the end. 

He's still annoying as all heck, fancying himself to be some kind of white knight, even though he's not, he's really just a pathetic and weak little child. And he still drops you like a sack of potatoes.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:59 .

[Hellion Rex]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

He's still annoying as all heck, fancying himself to be some kind of white knight, even though he's not, he's really just a pathetic and weak little child. And he still drops you like a sack of potatoes.

Never romanced him, cause he wouldn't go gay for my character. But he was became my brother in the game. And annoying as he might be at times, he stuck by me through it all. 

[Icy Magebane]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well Alitair just dumped you like a piece of garbage, and whined constantly about you doing bad things. Anders, however, stuck by you in the end, no matter what. He also wasn't above doing a lot of morally questionable things (even besides blowing up the Chantry), and didn't criticize Hawke's darker actions so much. So, they weren't entirely the same.

I always hardened Alistair, because I knew that it would leave him better off in the end. 

He's still annoying as all heck, fancying himself to be some kind of white knight, even though he's not, he's really just a pathetic and weak little child. And he still drops you like a sack of potatoes.

Alistair is both selfish and self-righteous.  He believes that his personal vendetta is more important than Ferelden, fighting the Blight, and everything the team has been working towards.  It's no surprise that he's willing to shatter the heart of someone he supposedly loves in order to fulfill his personal goals.  I always have him executed.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 18 novembre 2013 - 07:34 .

[AlexisR]

People disliked the companions being player-sexual? Huh. Why? You get more options! More options is a good thing in my book. I'm genuinely saddened to see it go, it added replayability:
A male mage!Hawke could now not only be different in class, personality, attitude and general choices to a male rogue!Hawke, he could now also choose someone different to be with who suits him better. I don't have to plan the gender of my protag around which romance I want to see happening, I can just let it happen organically.

Besides, instead of the shiny new romance I don't get to complete because my protagonist doesn't have the right gender to unlock it, I now see the exact same path/dialogue happening again.

Seriously, how is that an improvement? Who benefits from that? More options >> fewer options. Options mean you don't have to take them, they're just there should you want to.


Personally I hope for a tevinter-y tevinter magister being a male bi LI, haha.

Modifié par AlexisC, 18 novembre 2013 - 07:37 .

[TeamLexana]

For the males, I want to love Cassandra, she was gorgeous in DA2 and I love her voice! But from what I saw of her in the DAI Demo, she is FUUUUUGLLLY AS HELL now. Ew. Ew. Ew. lol.

For the ladies, I hope they have interesting options because while I love Varric, I don't find him romantically appealing and I have never into Cullen outside of squeeing in DA2 when I heard Anders "real voice" lol.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Faerunner wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well Alitair just dumped you like a piece of garbage,

After you make him king against his will, which I never did.

and whined constantly about you doing bad things.

 
Never happened to me since he and my character shared the same moral compass.

Anders, however, stuck by you in the end, no matter what. He also wasn't above doing a lot of morally questionable things (even besides blowing up the Chantry), and didn't criticize Hawke's darker actions so much. So, they weren't entirely the same.

Except when he lied and used you to blow up the Chantry, knowing full well it could bring you a lot of grief, trouble, etc. and could possibly mean the end of your relationship. Even before you can speak, he basically says "I know you hate me, but I did what I had to..." Okay, so your warped sense of duty to some higher cause trumps our life together. Thanks, ****.

[Zevran] was also a much more caring and attentive lover, who, again, stays by the PC's side through thick and thin.

Except when you fail to cultivate his friendship/love and loyalty, in which case he'll be involved with you physically but not emotionally, and will gleefully betray you to rejoin Taliesin and return to the Crows.

While not exactly the same as Fenris, you do have to work hard to get him to drop his defense mechanisms, open up to you, and eventually transcend his fear of emotional intimacy to commit to you. While said defense mechanisms are different (Fenris hides behind solitude and scowls, Zevran hides behind casual flings and smiles) they aren't so dissimilar.

Or if you decide to spare Loghain.

Well my character was an opportunist... so, too bad for little Calenhad Jr.

He only lied because he wanted to protect the PC, so the blame would fall back entirely on him, not them.

And Zevran does not betray you to the crows if you're in a relationship...

[TeamLexana]

AlexisC wrote...

People disliked the companions being player-sexual? Huh. Why? You get more options! More options is a good thing in my book. I'm genuinely saddened to see it go, it added replayability:
A male mage!Hawke could now not only be different in class, personality, attitude and general choices to a male rogue!Hawke, he could now also choose someone different to be with who suits him better. I don't have to plan the gender of my protag around which romance I want to see happening, I can just let it happen organically.

Besides, instead of the shiny new romance I don't get to complete because my protagonist doesn't have the right gender to unlock it, I now see the exact same path/dialogue happening again.

Seriously, how is that an improvement? Who benefits from that? More options >> fewer options. Options mean you don't have to take them, they're just there should you want to.


Personally I hope for a tevinter-y tevinter magister being a male bi LI, haha.

Well it did make the characters seem more "flat" if that makes any sense? They are 100% hetro if you want them to be or 100% gay if you want them to be. Lelianna and Zevran felt more real with their Bi romances when they actually mention they've had same sexed partners, Lelianna even loved Marjolone very much at one point so it's no surprise if she develops feelings for the Warden if she's a Female or a Male.

But I can understand and appreciate what they did in DA2 in that regard, that way peeps who want to have the gay romances can, without restriction. I actually really like that BW makes that an option for peeps and they do it well.

[DooomCookie]

Not Varric. It's not what he does.
Not Cullen. He's boring.

The grey warden could be good, and maybe the bald elf, if he's a companion.

[Plaintiff]

Faerunner wrote...
" Okay, so your warped sense of duty to some higher cause trumps our life together. Thanks, ****."

That is rather how higher causes tend to work.

[Silfren]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well Alitair just dumped you like a piece of garbage, and whined constantly about you doing bad things. Anders, however, stuck by you in the end, no matter what. He also wasn't above doing a lot of morally questionable things (even besides blowing up the Chantry), and didn't criticize Hawke's darker actions so much. So, they weren't entirely the same.

Also, Zevran was a bazillion times more sane and a lot less whingy than Fenris. He was also a much more caring and attentive lover, who, again, stays by the PC's side through thick and thin.

Wow, you just refuse to let that go, don't you?

If you harden Alistair and convince him with the right words, he doesn't dump you.  If you don't make him king, he doesn't dump you.  And, lo! if you are a human noblewoman and propose marriage, the question of dumping you doesn't even come up.

But I find it amusing that you talk about Alistair being whiny and complaining about you doing bad things.  I've read enough of your Alistair-dumped-me! rants that I think it's safe to say you only complain about those other things (his alleged whining, his taking issue with your behavior) because getting dumped soured you on him completely.  You wouldn't care about his whining or anything else if not for that one little thing that you can't just can't get past.

[Silfren]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
He only lied because he wanted to protect the PC, so the blame would fall back entirely on him, not them.

Not quite.  Anders also tells you flat out that he knew you would feel honor bound to stop him if you knew the truth.  So no, he's NOT just lying to you to protect you.

Modifié par Silfren, 18 novembre 2013 - 08:09 .

[TeamLexana]

I kill Anders every time in DA2. I don't even care if it's nightmare and he's my only healer. I hated him that much. It wasn't even a "I love to hate you" kind of hate, either.

Modifié par TeamLexana, 18 novembre 2013 - 08:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Faerunner wrote...
" Okay, so your warped sense of duty to some higher cause trumps our life together. Thanks, ****."

And this is why I pick the other LI 

Well you could get around the duty arguement with Alistair at least by not making him king. Skip off into the sunset that way.

[Icy Magebane]

Faerunner wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Alistair is both selfish and self-righteous.  He believes that his personal vendetta is more important than Ferelden, fighting the Blight, and everything the team has been working towards.

Loghain isn't exactly necessary to fighting the Blight. In fact, his track record doesn't exactly promote trustworthiness to his supposed allies or effectiveness in stopping the Blight.

It's no surprise that he's willing to shatter the heart of someone he supposedly loves in order to fulfill his personal goals.  I always execute him.

What personal goals? He doesn't want to be king. He hates the idea of being king. He tells everyone within earshot every opportunity he can and you still make him king anyway, with the implication that he needs to put his personal feelings aside (not wanting to be king) for the greater good (providing Ferelden the monarch they need). Guess what? He does just that. He puts his personal feelings aside (being with the woman he loves) for the greater good (marrying a woman the nobles approve of to give the kingdom the heirs they need to remain politically stable, while at the same time remaining faithful within said political marriage and not reducing the woman he loves to being the dirty mistress). You got what you wanted, but lost what you had, and you call him selfish and not a team player when you constantly use and discard him for whatever you think he should do at any given time?

Besides, you're willing to execute him because he disagrees with you. Think about that for a second.

There are two scenarios that we should probably separate:  Anora as Queen, and Alistair as King, with a non-human LI.  The first scenario showcases Alistair's self-righteousness, while both highlight his selfishness.  I only have direct knowledge of the first, but based on what I've seen, the second seems rather predictable.

I believe that Anora is the best candidate for the throne, and even Alistair is fine with this... until it comes to the matter of Loghain.  IMO, it is a fair compromise to induct Loghain into the Wardens as penance, after all, the Joining might kill him and more Wardens is a good thing since there are only 3 of us.  Alistair doesn't want to be king, yet clumsily attempts to take the throne just so that he can have vengeance against Loghain.  It's kind of sad, really.  He refuses to see the wisdom in having more Grey Wardens on hand, ignoring even the counsel of the veteran Riordan.  In his blind rage, he refuses to accept any alternative to Loghain's death, regardless of the effect his inept leadership would have on Ferelden, and regardless of the improved chances of ending the Blight if we had more Grey Wardens on hand to fight the Archdemon.  Everyone and everything suddenly loses value simply because he never came to terms with Duncan's death.

It is because of this that I do not find his callous behavior towards a non-human noble Warden to be out of the ordinary.  Based on his reaction when things don't go his way at the Landsmeet, it seems that he's willing to sacrifice anyone to achieve his goal.  This is especially troubling when his goal is selecting a queen that the nobility will accept... so much for strong leadership and fidelity.  His feelings go straight out the window and he discards his lover like rubbish.

I hope that history doesn't repeat.  Male or female, the Inquisitor deserves better than a traitorous, cowardly LI.

[Isaidlunch]

I don't see what's so bad about Alistair dumping the Warden, considering that the Warden puts him on the throne against his wishes when he's obviously not capable enough to handle it. If you put the good of Ferelden before his happiness then why is he not allowed to do the same to you?

[TEWR]

Loghain isn't exactly necessary to fighting the Blight. In fact, his track record doesn't exactly promote trustworthiness to his supposed allies or effectiveness in stopping the Blight.

That's largely irrelevant to the fact that Alistair is willing to abandon the Wardens because of a temper tantrum. He speaks about honoring Duncan all throughout the game, when he's essentially ****ting on the man's grave by becoming a drunkard during the Blight.

He doesn't have to like it, but he should be man enough to swallow his pride and fight, if for no other reason then for Duncan -- a man he (falsely) idolizes and puts on a pedestal, belonging to an Order that has in the past recruited people like Loghain.

Hell, a friggin' senior Warden was suggesting it as well, and Alistair wants to talk about what should be done for the Order?

If he's king with Anora, well, that's different. Logically he'd still be fighting, but as a King and not as a Warden. Fighting in that battle would help morale.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 novembre 2013 - 08:21 .

[Fardreamer]

Mass Effect 2 had 9 Romance options... Mass Effect 3 had 12 Romance options... nothing say there can't be more than 4 in Dragon Age.

Modifié par Fardreamer, 18 novembre 2013 - 08:27 .

[Ryzaki]

Alistair turns his back on the Warden after he feels s/he turned their back on him. Not that surprising to me. He flat out says he doesn't feel you need his help if you're that willing to take Loghain over him.

As for Riordan. Senior warden or no he doesn't even bother telling them WHY they should recruit Loghain so he's not being all that bright in this scene either.

Might not have been the best thing to do but most of us have done some things we've regretted in the height of emotion. And Alistair felt betrayed by the Warden at least he just walked away (like every companion that isn't dog once you hit their tolerance threshold).

Recruit Loghain is pretty much -200 approval for Alistair.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 novembre 2013 - 08:29 .

[TeamLexana]

Kazanth wrote...

I don't see what's so bad about Alistair dumping the Warden, considering that the Warden puts him on the throne against his wishes when he's obviously not capable enough to handle it. If you put the good of Ferelden before his happiness then why is he not allowed to do the same to you?

Well it is avoidable if it really bothers you. Don't romance him unless you are willng to be a mistriss, sacrifice yourself, let him take the sacrifice, or play as the female human noble. Human noble is one of my fav origins anyways, meeting up with Howe later on is so satisfying. For me anyways.

For romances future rulers in DA, I'd take being Alistair's mistriss or "princess-consort" over Sebastions creepy chaste chantry marriage or possibility of becoming Vicountess with no current benefits (no hanky panky) any day, lol.