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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I hope people are not bashing Fallout tactics. It's awesome:

I can't upload a more recent pic you know...

My favorite playthrough of New Vegas is this when BOS and Enclave remnants are alive:



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[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

The fact that it was set in the DC and the fact that it rehashed the plot of FO2 also contributed to its less than stellar quality. Fallout 3 is the bastard of the franchise for countless reasons (though still light years better than Fallout: BoS). 

Tell that to the people who seem to think the DC BoS would ever be a possibility. First, I doubt the California Brotherhood even had the resources to send something as large as the force that was sent to DC,

Considering you and I discussed this previously, I take it that comment was intended at me? I still disagree with you, respectfully. It was an expeditionary force intended to bring the Mid-Western Brotherhood back into the fold, as well as investigate D.C. The numbers are also agumented because they have local conscripts, and are likely using Power Armor that was located in the ruins of the Pentagon. I don't see the issue with the Western Brotherhood sending a team out east to address a possibly rogue faction that they wanted to bring in line, and investigate some things that interested them in D.C.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

second, I doubt an elder would ever commit to what Lyons is doing regardless of morality. It would have made more sense if he was the outcast leader. If anyone had found out they would have had him killed and removed from the codex. 

Lyons didn't start out as an Elder when the expedition made it's way out east, he was a Paladin. A human being who was a long way from the rest of the Western Brotherhood, and able to come to his own conclusions. Also, it seems like a plethora of people from out West preferred to follow Casdin when Lyons changed direction, rather than following the new path set forth by Lyons. Lyons' numbers seem to be due to the local conscripts, which is brought up relatively early in the narrative.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Elder or not he had a high position, Paladin's usually do not have that line of though, end of story. That's why they're paladins and not scribes. I don't care if they're human beings or not, the ****s were also human beings and very few of them up the chain of command ever thought differently than Hitler, that's why they were there in the first place.

About the equipment, I don't really think they found it at the pentagon, if anything the Pentagon probably had nothing when they got there. I doubt that no one dared to loot the place before the Brotherhood got there and even then like I said before, the California brotherhood doesn't even have the resources to send that much equipment to the other side of the country. If the New Vegas brotherhood can't even afford to fight the NCR or get support from another chapter, how is it even possible to send that many people that far out east. I mean seriously even in FO1 and FO2, the brotherhood used combat armor and didn't have enough power armor for everyone to be using it as it is used in FO3.

Bethesda pulled the brotherhood out of its ass in FO3, end of story, they never considered the lore properly, because really, if the NCR hasn't even attempted to do what the Brotherhood did, why would they try to get to DC when they have less people, less resources and were at war with the NCR. The war started in 2242 and they sent Lyons in 2254, yet the war hasn't even ended by the time New Vegas takes place. They should have just used another faction, instead of trying to copy FO1 and FO2 and a cheap imitation at that. The only reason, I even play Fallout 3 is because of a mod called Tale of Two wastelands, which merges both games, and through that the difference between both is very noticeable.

Don't take it personal, I've seen this line of thought in more than one place, not just on the BSN. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 24 novembre 2013 - 06:41 .

[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Elder or not he had a high position, Paladin's usually do not have that line of though, end of story. That's why they're paladins and not scribes. I don't care if they're human beings or not, the ****s were also human beings and very few of them up the chain of command ever thought differently than Hitler, that's why they were there in the first place.

Even one of the endings for the Western Brotherhood showed that a different leader could have lead them in an entirely different direction, so I don't see how Lyons is impossible or implausible. And let's not invoke real world parallels here, because even that example doesn't prove your point (not that I care to veer that much off-topic, so I'l leave it at that).

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

About the equipment, I don't really think they found it at the pentagon, if anything the Pentagon probably had nothing when they got there. I doubt that no one dared to loot the place before the Brotherhood got there and even then like I said before, the California brotherhood doesn't even have the resources to send that much equipment to the other side of the country. If the New Vegas brotherhood can't even afford to fight the NCR or get support from another chapter, how is it even possible to send that many people that far out east. I mean seriously even in FO1 and FO2, the brotherhood used combat armor and didn't have enough power armor for everyone to be using it as it is used in FO3.

It's mentioned that the Eastern Brotherhood picked up children during the Scourge of the Pitt (as we meet an adult who was picked up as a child at the time) and they recruit locals, so I think you're conflating the numbers of the people who were originally sent from the Western Brotherhood out east with the men and women who are currently members of the Eastern Brotherhood.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Bethesda pulled the brotherhood out of its ass in FO3, end of story, they never considered the lore properly, because really, if the NCR hasn't even attempted to do what the Brotherhood did, why would they try to get to DC when they have less people, less resources and were at war with the NCR. The war started in 2242 and they sent Lyons in 2254, yet the war hasn't even ended by the time New Vegas takes place. They should have just used another faction, instead of trying to copy FO1 and FO2 and a cheap imitation at that. The only reason, I even play Fallout 3 is because of a mod called Tale of Two wastelands, which merges both games, and through that the difference between both is very noticeable.

Don't take it personal, I've seen this line of thought in more than one place, not just on the BSN. 

The war between the NCR and the Brotherhood would have taken place in Van Buren, while it's mostly inferred by Elder Lyons and Colonel Moore (who served four tours against the Western Brotherhood). The NCR is trying to annex the Mojave and has the Legion blocking any expansion east with their hold over Arizona, while the Eastern Brotherhood is filling a vaccum in D.C., which is plaqued with Vault 87 Super Mutants and general chaos all over.

[Splinter Cell 108]

LobselVith8 wrote...
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Even one of the endings for the Western Brotherhood showed that a different leader could have lead them in an entirely different direction, so I don't see how Lyons is impossible or implausible. And let's not invoke real world parallels here, because even that example doesn't prove your point (not that I care to veer that much off-topic, so I'l leave it at that). 

So a different leader could have moved them in a different direction? So what, in the end what you have is what there is, a bunch of shortsighted fanatics with xenophobic ideas and if I recall correctly, this is even with the "good" ending for the Brotherhood in Fallout 1. What you're saying is implausible simply because of the fact that if Lyons had thought that way he would've never been a Paladin, there's a reason why Veronica is scribe and is in the middle of nowhere. The brotherhood is very good at choosing where to put people and even if someone does think that way they'll know who it is and what they do. Elijah was like that and they ordered him killed.

I don't see why real world examples are not valid, regardless of what you think both groups have similarities, they ARE comparable and the comparison is not invalid. They are both xenophobic, fanatical and shortsighted.   

LobselVith8 wrote...
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It's mentioned that the Eastern Brotherhood picked up children during the Scourge of the Pitt (as we meet an adult who was picked up as a child at the time) and they recruit locals, so I think you're conflating the numbers of the people who were originally sent from the Western Brotherhood out east with the men and women who are currently members of the Eastern Brotherhood. 

Yeah that example doesn't really help, if they had so little resources, then how did they manage to siege a city regardless of how organized or equipped that city's defenders were, attacking a whole city is not something that can be done by ten men or some nonsense like that. Do you think if they would have been able to get to the other side of the country with such few men. If the Brotherhood couldn't even hold Helios One with the men they had over there, which you'd expect to be bigger than what was sent to the CW how can you expect them to move from California to DC with a few men and still be able to attack the Pitt.  The fact is that the amount of people they sent is a lot and it is also unrealistic, besides look at most of them, do they seem like conscripts to you? So far the only ones I saw was that black guy and the other soldier that gets killed at GNR. 

I think you're trying to justify something that cannot be justified for the sake of making sense of something that doesn't. The facts are there, what you want to justify is not there, except for a few mentions by a few people which barely constitutes as evidence. What I'm saying on the other hand is mostly true and it can be found in other places. 

LobselVith8 wrote...
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The war between the NCR and the Brotherhood would have taken place in Van Buren, while it's mostly inferred by Elder Lyons and Colonel Moore (who served four tours against the Western Brotherhood). The NCR is trying to annex the Mojave and has the Legion blocking any expansion east with their hold over Arizona, while the Eastern Brotherhood is filling a vaccum in D.C., which is plaqued with Vault 87 Super Mutants and general chaos all over.

The war did happen nonetheless, and it did happen during the time when they sent all those people. I find it hard to believe they'd even think of proposing such a task when in the middle of a losing war with the NCR. The war did happen, outside of Van Buren, it is cannon, it is not made up and it is still going on. The Brotherhood has never had and never will have the men to complete such a monumental task. If you're claiming that they can do it with the few men and resources they have then that is insane. They'd have to go through legion territory and somehow I don't think they'll be allowed to pass just like that, I doubt power armor is really easy to conceal. After the Legion's territory who knows what there is, no one knows anything about that area except that it is called No Man's Land, it can't be very friendly if that's what they call it. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 24 novembre 2013 - 07:58 .

[DarkDragon777]

Europe? I saw a (possible) translation of the Morse Code,and it mentioned the Institute in Massachusetts.

[Fast Jimmy]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Europe? I saw a (possible) translation of the Morse Code,and it mentioned the Institute in Massachusetts.

Yeah, for clarification for those not reading the OP... Bethesda is filing a patent for the naming rights to a Fallout 4 game with the EU government. The game itself, from all hints we've received so far, will be occuring in Boston.

[CroGamer002]

Yeah, I'll update the OP for no more confusion on game possibly being set in Europe.

[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
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Even one of the endings for the Western Brotherhood showed that a different leader could have lead them in an entirely different direction, so I don't see how Lyons is impossible or implausible. And let's not invoke real world parallels here, because even that example doesn't prove your point (not that I care to veer that much off-topic, so I'l leave it at that). 

So a different leader could have moved them in a different direction? So what, in the end what you have is what there is, a bunch of shortsighted fanatics with xenophobic ideas and if I recall correctly, this is even with the "good" ending for the Brotherhood in Fallout 1. What you're saying is implausible simply because of the fact that if Lyons had thought that way he would've never been a Paladin, there's a reason why Veronica is scribe and is in the middle of nowhere. The brotherhood is very good at choosing where to put people and even if someone does think that way they'll know who it is and what they do. Elijah was like that and they ordered him killed.

Christine Royce was dispatched to stop him because of the crimes he committed after he abandoned his role as Elder. Elijah doesn't disprove Lyons, and I don't see the point in you arguing as though we're discussing robots as opposed to people who are capable of coming to their own decisions.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't see why real world examples are not valid, regardless of what you think both groups have similarities, they ARE comparable and the comparison is not invalid. They are both xenophobic, fanatical and shortsighted.  

 

It's invalid because history disproves it by examples of people who didn't follow the chain of command: the end.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
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It's mentioned that the Eastern Brotherhood picked up children during the Scourge of the Pitt (as we meet an adult who was picked up as a child at the time) and they recruit locals, so I think you're conflating the numbers of the people who were originally sent from the Western Brotherhood out east with the men and women who are currently members of the Eastern Brotherhood. 

Yeah that example doesn't really help, if they had so little resources, then how did they manage to siege a city regardless of how organized or equipped that city's defenders were, attacking a whole city is not something that can be done by ten men or some nonsense like that. Do you think if they would have been able to get to the other side of the country with such few men. If the Brotherhood couldn't even hold Helios One with the men they had over there, which you'd expect to be bigger than what was sent to the CW how can you expect them to move from California to DC with a few men and still be able to attack the Pitt.  The fact is that the amount of people they sent is a lot and it is also unrealistic, besides look at most of them, do they seem like conscripts to you? So far the only ones I saw was that black guy and the other soldier that gets killed at GNR.

I never claimed it was an expedition of ten men, but I am addressing the schism between Lyons and Casdin, as well as why there is still a significant number of people under Lyons' command despite the civil war, since it's implied a good number of people defected from Lyons when he went against the standard interpretation of the Codex; with local conscripts and people who were raised under Lyons from the monstrous conditions of the Pitt, it would be easy to see why some men and women would stay loyal to him, while others followed Casdin and split off from the Eastern Brotherhood of Steel.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I think you're trying to justify something that cannot be justified for the sake of making sense of something that doesn't. The facts are there, what you want to justify is not there, except for a few mentions by a few people which barely constitutes as evidence. What I'm saying on the other hand is mostly true and it can be found in other places.

If you're argument is that your opinion on the matter is fact, then I'm sorry to disappoint you: it isn't.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
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The war between the NCR and the Brotherhood would have taken place in Van Buren, while it's mostly inferred by Elder Lyons and Colonel Moore (who served four tours against the Western Brotherhood). The NCR is trying to annex the Mojave and has the Legion blocking any expansion east with their hold over Arizona, while the Eastern Brotherhood is filling a vaccum in D.C., which is plaqued with Vault 87 Super Mutants and general chaos all over.

The war did happen nonetheless, and it did happen during the time when they sent all those people. I find it hard to believe they'd even think of proposing such a task when in the middle of a losing war with the NCR. The war did happen, outside of Van Buren, it is cannon, it is not made up and it is still going on. The Brotherhood has never had and never will have the men to complete such a monumental task. If you're claiming that they can do it with the few men and resources they have then that is insane. They'd have to go through legion territory and somehow I don't think they'll be allowed to pass just like that, I doubt power armor is really easy to conceal. After the Legion's territory who knows what there is, no one knows anything about that area except that it is called No Man's Land, it can't be very friendly if that's what they call it. 

I never claimed the war was "made up", since I explicitly addressed that both Lyons and Moore seem to reference it in their respective dialogues (in the bolded above). And the small group was tasked with getting in contact with the Midwestern Brotherhood, and heading to D.C. McNamara is capable of having scouts in NCR and Legion territory during the narrative of New Vegas, so I'm not certain why you think it would've been impossible for Lyons to do the same.

[Naughty Bear]

It says nuclear winter is coming in 6 days.

[CroGamer002]

Naughty Bear wrote...

It says nuclear winter is coming in 6 days.

Yep, I see it too now.

[Sigma Tauri]

That's a bit of an over-dramatic countdown, but it's getting me pumped.

[CroGamer002]

Possible trailer audio leak discovered on reddit.
Direct Youtube link.


It sounds pretty good, though it can easily be a fake.

[Naughty Bear]

Mesina2 wrote...

Possible trailer audio leak discovered on reddit.
Direct Youtube link.


It sounds pretty good, though it can easily be a fake.

Sounds similar to the set the world on fire opening, plays some old music then becomes dramatic as it slowly pan the city then falls upon the Brotherhood soldier who turns around.

It becomes dramatic starting at 00:53, perhaps panning back to a dramatic scene of chaos or a city? I'm also getting a city of Rapture vibe as well.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:45 .

[Sigma Tauri]

Mesina2 wrote...

Possible trailer audio leak discovered on reddit.
Direct Youtube link.

Song is a good choice for a teaser.

[Naughty Bear]

At 1:41, you can hear a woman doing that dramatic choir sound, what type of music is that? The soundtrack for Human Revolution is full of it as well.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:53 .

[CroGamer002]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Possible trailer audio leak discovered on reddit.
Direct Youtube link.


It sounds pretty good, though it can easily be a fake.

Sounds similar to the set the world on fire opening, plays some old music then becomes dramatic as it slowly pan the city then falls upon the Brotherhood soldier who turns around.

It becomes dramatic starting at 00:53, perhaps panning back to a dramatic scene of chaos or a city? I'm also getting a city of Rapture vibe as well.

It's same case with Fallout New Vegas trailer.

[Naughty Bear]

I'm so giddy at the moment! Please be real!

I hope Obsidian makes a sequel on Fallout as well.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 24 novembre 2013 - 10:08 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Christine Royce was dispatched to stop him because of the crimes he committed after he abandoned his role as Elder. Elijah doesn't disprove Lyons, and I don't see the point in you arguing as though we're discussing robots as opposed to people who are capable of coming to their own decisions.

So? Veronica always mentions that the Brotherhood didn't like his ideas much and how he often disagreed with other elders. Why should you believe what Christine says anyway, she wasn't straight with you at the beginning of Dead Money, why would she trust you afterwards? Coincidentally Veronica also disagreed with the Brotherhood, it wasn't until she left that others wanted her dead and I'd bet no one would have cared if she had been killed and those soldiers would've gotten away with it. Since when does the Brotherhood give a rat's ass about the crimes of some person? They haven't seemed to care before, why would they start now. If those are the reasons Christine believes she was sent to kill Elijah, then good for her, I doubt they would send anyone on that mission unless they had other motives. Motives such as Elijah being a danger, Elijah having posession of technology they'd probably covet themselves and Elijah having a different view of how things are done, and potentially working with someone else to achieve them.

If they'd hunt down Veronica, a lowly scribe, for allying herself with the followers and sharing her knowledge with them, what do you think they are going to do with a rogue elder. The Brotherhood doesn't care what happens to other communities and I'd bet the Circle of Steel cares even less for that since they seem to be even worse than the Brotherhood itself. Think about it, Elijah probably has more knowledge than anyone else in the Brotherhood, they already know he's resourceful, he knows about things that no one in California does like Big MT, the Divide and the Sierra Madre, even if he wasn't a mad man do you think they'd let someone like that go when they can't even allow Veronica go?

LobselVith8 wrote...

It's invalid because history disproves it by examples of people who didn't follow the chain of command: the end.

That's actually further proof that it isn't invalid, much like the people who disobeyed the Brotherhood, they were jailed or executed. Fallout 3, pretends to do something that is impossible. Much like with the Naz1s people who thought differently were censured, jailed or executed and those who tried were not part of Hitler's inner circle not even close. Much like with the Brotherhood, to expect that anyone as high up as Lyons would see things that way is complete non-sense, otherwise they would never be in that position. If you want to invalidate that comparison, think of a better reason. The fact is that there is a lot of things that they share in common whether you want to believe it or not. Like I said before if someone like McNamara will not change his mind, then it is unlikely that somone like Lyons would and for the record they were both Paladins before becoming elders. 

LobselVith8 wrote...
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I never claimed it was an expedition of ten men, but I am addressing the schism between Lyons and Casdin, as well as why there is still a significant number of people under Lyons' command despite the civil war, since it's implied a good number of people defected from Lyons when he went against the standard interpretation of the Codex; with local conscripts and people who were raised under Lyons from the monstrous conditions of the Pitt, it would be easy to see why some men and women would stay loyal to him, while others followed Casdin and split off from the Eastern Brotherhood of Steel.

Oh please stop taking things so literally. You knew what I meant. So which one is it? Did they have a lot of men or did they not? As far as I'm concerned I don't see an answer to that. If they did its nonsense cooked up by Bethesda, the Brotherhood wouldn't risk so much especially when it is possible that they would get nothing in return and honestly even if they did, don't you think they'd eventually want to find out what happened? Lyons may be far away, but the Brotherhood will seek him out eventually and when they do there will be a reckoning. That is reason enough for him not to want to do what he is doing. This is why he's role as an outcast would've made more sense, the outcasts have much less, are much less and will be harder to find than "the last hope for the wasteland". Which is also ridiculous, the people in California didn't need the Brotherhood to save them, why does DC need them, the threat they're facing is probably less dangerous than the one California faced back then. 

LobselVith8 wrote...
 If you're argument is that your opinion on the matter is fact, then I'm sorry to disappoint you: it isn't.

If that's what you want to believe, by all means, go ahead. What I've argued exists, there's three games worth of evidence to prove it, which all came from the orginal source, the people who made fallout. What you're trying to argue is something that was conjured up by people who had no idea what the Brotherhood was. Honestly, Fallout 3 used the Brotherhood because Bethesda couldn't think of anything else and because power armor is "COOL". Why do you think the story is so similar to FO1 and FO2? Fallout is known for choices, none of that existed in the MQ in FO3, you didn't get to choose if you wanted to be part of the Brotherhood or not. I personally didn't want anything to do with those morons, be it the FO3 Brotherhood or the FNV Brotherhood, they all share the same thing, they all think they are the best hope for everyone. Unlike FNV where there is no good or bad, FO3 sets the BoS as the white knights and the Enclave as the "bad" guys.

That is enough to say that they had no clue about Fallout is and what it isn't. They thought they could use ES to make Fallout when both franchises barely have anything in common. I like Bethesda, but really they should just leave Fallout to Obsidian, if they're planning on going the same route with FO4 they can count me out. 

LobselVith8 wrote...

I never claimed the war was "made up", since I explicitly addressed that both Lyons and Moore seem to reference it in their respective dialogues (in the bolded above). And the small group was tasked with getting in contact with the Midwestern Brotherhood, and heading to D.C. McNamara is capable of having scouts in NCR and Legion territory during the narrative of New Vegas, so I'm not certain why you think it would've been impossible for Lyons to do the same.

Yeah, maybe I misinterpreted what you said about the war, nonetheless, it is there. Would the Western Brotherhood risk sending anyone to the ass end of nowhere during that war? I don't think so. They can't send a small group, I doubt it, if they truly want to have a presence in DC, they would have had to send a large force and no large force will move unnoticed through Legion territory, especially when we know how thorough the Legion is with defending their territory, raiders practically don't exist. A large force of Brotherhood soldiers moving through that are not going to pass unnoticed. Then there's the no man's land, how are they going to survive that with a small group? How do they establish themselves in DC with a small group? What if the Pentagon was occupied by Super Mutants or something else. How do they siege the Pitt after having crossed the entire country? These tasks would not have been accomplished by a small force. 

Isn't it strange that the BoS seems to have more power armor, weapons and resources than the California Brotherhood and the NV Brotherhood when the California Brotherhood sent them? Thereal Brotherhood never had much to begin with anyway. So what happened? They stumbled onto some military cache while they were crossing the country? They recruited whoever they seemed to have met along the way? The Pentagon probably didn't have anything left, I'd assume all their equipment was put to use during the Great War, seems obvious with it being the country's primary military installation and whatever they didn't use was probably stolen by raiders, super mutants and any other scavengers. There's no way they went through half the country and there's no way the California Brotherhood would have sent a force large enough to go through everything Lyons claims. It is not only contradictory to the lore but also contradictory to logic, that is unless everyone in the brotherhood is completely insane or soemthing, given what they believe it'd be a possiblity, but I doubt that's the explanation. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I'm so giddy at the moment! Please be real!

I hope Obsidian makes a sequel on Fallout as well.

Good, let Bethesda makes a mediocre story in Europe. Then Obsidian can continue that one or make another game in Murika!

[happy_daiz]

Yeah, so...I did Boone's quest for the first time this weekend, and realized the hard way that taking the Animal Friend perk was not such a good idea. Those refugees got torn to shreds.

But Boone is happy, and that's what's important.

I finished up the BoS stuff, got some power armor training, and discovered my (new) favorite weapon. The Gauss Rifle. Now, before you guys tell me about all the other better sniper rifles, hear me out. I'm only level 22, and I've led a sheltered life. Not really. The GR is an ammo hog, and I haven't seen any others to repair it, so I can already see some issues. The explosion thingie it does is probably why I like it so much - it's pretty. And I was able to take out Deathclaws at Quarry Junction in one or two shots. But alas, it's slow, and literally inhales ammo.

...I actually would love some advice about energy weapons. I'm looking for a rifle that is fast, like the Assault Carbine, but still packs a punch. In F03, I used Plasma rifles and loved them, but they seem different in FO:NV. Slower. Not quite as effective. And they seem to be less common. When I'm not sniping with the GR, I'm typically using a Laser rifle. Are there any Tesla weapons that aren't cannons?

What else did I do this weekend...? ED-E is now sporting a pretty blue laser. Rex has a new brain. Raul is wearing his Vaquero suit. I disarmed the bomb on the Monorail, raised the bomber for the Boomers. Taught Jack some new chem recipes (Great Khans). Became Vilified with Caesar's Legion. Yeah, good times.

I still haven't decided who I'm going to side with. Apparently not Caesar.

And holy crap, 6 days until nuclear winter? Is there an event happening on that day, somewhere?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 25 novembre 2013 - 04:35 .

[Seagloom]

I... started over again this weekend as a guns user. I didn't delete my unarmed save in case I wanted to return to it, though. Main reason for starting over is I'm not sure what ending to go for in that game. So far I'm backing House but I feel so meh over the whole thing, it's like going through the motions. Playing a total goody two-shoes is kinda dull compared to the mayhem in my first run. XD On the bright side I've already passed the point I was at in my last save. Already got over 20 hours in. Killed Caesar just last night, actually. >.>

For energy weapon rifles, there were three I thought stood out. Two are tied to DLC.

The Holorifle in Dead Money is pretty sweet. It's going to seem crummy when you first get it, because its condition will be terrible. Once you repair it, it does damage on par with the Gauss Rifle. It's a very reliable weapon at mid range and uses one cell per shot. Downside is you need to burn repair kits or pay to fix it, which can get costly.

Elijah's Advanced Laer from Old World Blues is extremely powerful. Downside is it decays like nothing else. You can't really use it for every skirmish without dropping a fortune.

I haven't used it personally, but from what I read Pew Pew is the best pistol option. Five cells per shot, and only two shots before a reload. I'm not counting the alien blaster given its extremely limited ammo availability.

The Plasma Defender GRA isn't too shabby either. Best part is it has a scope mod.

YCS/186 is basically a superior Gauss Rifle. More damage and at the cost of one less cell per shot.

Finally, there's the MF Hyperbreeder Alpha. It's a pistol that produces its own ammo. It isn't the best option out there by far, but it's a handy backup if you ever find yourself low on cells. You honestly shouldn't if you take the time to shop around, and have Vigilant Recycler. But if you want to play it safe, or save on carry weight in hardcore, it's an option.

Did you take the Vigilant Recycler perk by chance? If not, I highly recommend it. With ED-E along you can recycle your ammo on the go. It also increases the chances of recycling a spent cell.

Modifié par Seagloom, 25 novembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I love the sense of progression in Fallout really.

Going from a busted pistol up to a plasma rifle!
From leather jackets to Power armor!

I loved the ending of Fallout 4, because I busted out my Laser Gatling gun, Remnant Power Armor, and every other toy I had.
It was honestly so easy!

NCR Rangers, Brotherhood Paladins, Enclave Remnants, and a B24!
So many fricking lazer beams!

[happy_daiz]

@Seagloom - Honestly, I like the different factions, but I have a hard time deciding what to do. There are simply too many variables involved for my brain to handle it. It's like when you go to a restaurant, and the menu is huge. I can't begin to figure out what the heck I want. If it's smaller, I am able to make a snap decision with no difficulty.

So my dilemma now is...I was planning to side with House, but I really don't want to blow up the BoS bunker. I realize that they're kinda schmucky, but nostalgia. Or do I side with Yes Man? I might just be boring and side with the NCR. I dunno. I might just do all the side quests that I can, and go one way, then reload and go another. I doubt I will ever side with Caesar.

I have the UE, but I have no idea when the DLC kicks in, or how to initiate it. This info on DLC rifles really kinda makes me want to get started. I do love a good rifle. I really don't use pistols, though. In any game, now that I'm thinking about it. I'm basically a sniper/assault rifle kinda girl.

I haven't taken the Vigilant Recycler perk, but I think I will, now. Thanks!

Hey, is the level cap 30 on NV? Just trying to plan how to use my last few remaining perks.

@Giggles - I know, isn't it awesome? I like taking ED-E and Arcade out, so I can get a red/green/blue light display every time we fight someone. (Really, any companion would work, but for now, Arcade is the only one I have that I gave a plasma weapon to).

Modifié par happy_daiz, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:01 .