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[Mr.House]

NCR vet Ranger>Bos Knight

[Dave of Canada]

Meh, not too interested. Unless it's done by Obsidian then I'm definitely down.

[Addai]

^ @happydaiz:  I have to go home and listen to that soundtrack.  Sadly we cannot get Fallout 3 to work on Windows 7 64bit, so I can't play it anymore.  We've tried everything.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I listened to that earlier. Anyone know morse code?

According to articles on it, the Morse code spells out 11.12.13 which is taken to be 12/11/13 written in European format.  Which would correspond to the countdown.

The symbol is the Vault-Tec logo symbol.

Yeah I'm ridorkulously excited, I can't deny it.

[Barbarossa2010]

Loved the Rangers. I thought it was total bull$#!+ the LW couldn't be inducted being completely loyal to the NCR.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

^ @happydaiz:  I have to go home and listen to that soundtrack.  Sadly we cannot get Fallout 3 to work on Windows 7 64bit, so I can't play it anymore.  We've tried everything.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I listened to that earlier. Anyone know morse code?

According to articles on it, the Morse code spells out 11.12.13 which is taken to be 12/11/13 written in European format.  Which would correspond to the countdown.

The symbol is the Vault-Tec logo symbol.

Yeah I'm ridorkulously excited, I can't deny it.

The .ini tweak didn't work for you as I recall.  Sorry about that. Unfortunately that's about as deep as my bag of tricks runs.

Thanks for clearing the Morse code up...yeah, to say I'm looking forward to an announcement is an understatement!

[Seagloom]

Mr.House wrote...

NCR vet Ranger>Bos Knight

That's like picking between two bad choices, far as I'm concerned.

[Mr.House]

Seagloom wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

NCR vet Ranger>Bos Knight

That's like picking between two bad choices, far as I'm concerned.

Well being Mr.Houses partner is the best but you can't really make that for the case.

[happy_daiz]

Addai67 wrote...

^ @happydaiz:  I have to go home and listen to that soundtrack.  Sadly we cannot get Fallout 3 to work on Windows 7 64bit, so I can't play it anymore.

The war never changes intro is actually from FO:NV; I switched horses on a dime, there. 

Sorry to hear that you can't play FO3. That stinks. I realized when I got home that the UE version I have is for PS3, which I'm not about to try. I apparently bought two PS3 copies. Oops.

Guess I'll be starting a new NV run tonight, unless I can talk my hubs into getting me a 360 version of FO3 on his way home. We should get loyalty points for having so many copies. Heh.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 19 novembre 2013 - 11:46 .

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

NCR vet Ranger>Bos Knight

You mean the Eastern Brotherhood? I think they are both great, even though I follow the path towards an independent Vegas.

Speaking of the Rangers and the Brotherhood, I liked Hanlon and Lyons as the leaders of their groups; they were great representations of their respective groups - the NCR Rangers caught up in an attempted annexation of Vegas and a Brotherhood of Steel faction that isn't doomed to fail like the western division is.

[Splinter Cell 108]

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean the Eastern Brotherhood? I think they are both great, even though I follow the path towards an independent Vegas.

Speaking of the Rangers and the Brotherhood, I liked Hanlon and Lyons as the leaders of their groups; they were great representations of their respective groups - the NCR Rangers caught up in an attempted annexation of Vegas and a Brotherhood of Steel faction that isn't doomed to fail like the western division is.

Those clowns? They're not the real Brotherhood IMO, in all honesty the Brotherhoood sucks. They're a bunch of fanatics obsessed with technology, I have them blown up every time. I side with House, everyone else is out of their minds if you ask me. 

[Jaison1986]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean the Eastern Brotherhood? I think they are both great, even though I follow the path towards an independent Vegas.

Speaking of the Rangers and the Brotherhood, I liked Hanlon and Lyons as the leaders of their groups; they were great representations of their respective groups - the NCR Rangers caught up in an attempted annexation of Vegas and a Brotherhood of Steel faction that isn't doomed to fail like the western division is.

Those clowns? They're not the real Brotherhood IMO, in all honesty the Brotherhoood sucks. They're a bunch of fanatics obsessed with technology, I have them blown up every time. I side with House, everyone else is out of their minds if you ask me. 

The sad thing is that they are the real brotherhood. Well, at least an branch of the real one. The main Brotherhood now is filled with energy weapon obssessed soldiers, not too different from the Enclave itself. I miss the D.C. brotherhood.... they were nice fellows...

[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean the Eastern Brotherhood? I think they are both great, even though I follow the path towards an independent Vegas.

Speaking of the Rangers and the Brotherhood, I liked Hanlon and Lyons as the leaders of their groups; they were great representations of their respective groups - the NCR Rangers caught up in an attempted annexation of Vegas and a Brotherhood of Steel faction that isn't doomed to fail like the western division is.

Those clowns? They're not the real Brotherhood IMO, in all honesty the Brotherhoood sucks. They're a bunch of fanatics obsessed with technology, I have them blown up every time. I side with House, everyone else is out of their minds if you ask me. 

 

I disagree about the Eastern Brotherhood. Lyons' Brotherhood is pretty much doing what Veronica wanted the Mojave division to do - use technology to help people, and give the Brotherhood a real future. The Western Brotherhood is doomed - Van Buren and New Vegas made it clear they are doomed in the long run. I destroy the Mojave chapter to protect Veronica and independent Vegas.

And House is as zealous about the past as the Western Brotherhood is. I think Vegas is better off without him.

[Dave of Canada]

House or Legion is the only way.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 novembre 2013 - 01:41 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

LobselVith8 wrote...


I disagree about the Eastern Brotherhood. Lyons' Brotherhood is pretty much doing what Veronica wanted the Mojave division to do - use technology to help people, and give the Brotherhood a real future. The Western Brotherhood is doomed - Van Buren and New Vegas made it clear they are doomed in the long run. I destroy the Mojave chapter to protect Veronica and independent Vegas.

And House is as zealous about the past as the Western Brotherhood is. I think Vegas is better off without him.

Yeah, maybe they are what she would like but what she would like is highly unlikely. It'd have made more sense if the Outcasts had been the ones who had the ideals of Lyons, most elders do not do what Lyons did. Even McNamara who Veronica acknowledges as one of the most progressive members and also someone who knows they are headed for ruin didn't dare to anything of what she suggested. Elijah has these ideas as well, and they ordered his assassination, plus he was a maniac. 

And what's best for the Mojave? The Legion, certainly not, a society that emulates a society that failed a long time ago, even longer than the Old World America, they will not last, as soon as Caesar dies, human nature will kick in and you'll find that everyone will try to take over. The NCR? Yeah, making the same mistakes that the Old World America did, expansionism, corruption  and war, soon enough they'll screw up. Independent Vegas? Total anarchy, there's nothing more to it, and I'd be worried about everyone else in that case. The Great Khans, the Chairmen, the White Gloves, the Kings and the Fiends will most certainly seize any opportunity that presents itself with an independent Vegas. 

Out of all the powers in New Vegas, House is the only one that doesn't seem to have any issues and unlike the others he doesn't focus on pointless endeavors. He sees the big picture, everyone else is only interested in what they can get out of New Vegas or Hoover Dam, nothing more, no long term plans, it is just greed or pride that motivates into doing anything. House doesn't care about the past, in none of his conversations does he ever talk about the past, in fact he's looking toward the future more than anyone else. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 20 novembre 2013 - 01:53 .

[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I disagree about the Eastern Brotherhood. Lyons' Brotherhood is pretty much doing what Veronica wanted the Mojave division to do - use technology to help people, and give the Brotherhood a real future. The Western Brotherhood is doomed - Van Buren and New Vegas made it clear they are doomed in the long run. I destroy the Mojave chapter to protect Veronica and independent Vegas.

And House is as zealous about the past as the Western Brotherhood is. I think Vegas is better off without him. 

Yeah, maybe they are what she would like but what she would like is highly unlikely. It'd have made more sense if the Outcasts had been the ones who had the ideals of Lyons, most elders do not do what Lyons did. Even McNamara who Veronica acknowledges as one of the most progressive members and also someone who knows they are headed for ruin didn't dare to anything of what she suggested. Elijah has these ideas as well, and they ordered his assassination, plus he was a maniac.

I don't see why it should be impossible for Lyons when it lead to a civil war, and a plethora of his members are local conscripts. The Mojave chapter was different, Elijah was a target after he stopped being Elder (because of his actions as a rogue member of the Brotherhood), and McNamara likely lost control since Helios One is recaptured, which is the opposite of what McNamara wanted. I've never bought into the idea that the Eastern Brotherhood should be impossible, as though the Brotherhood are automatrons rather than people.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Out of all the powers in New Vegas, House is the only one that doesn't seem to have any issues and unlike the others he doesn't focus on pointless endeavors. He sees the big picture, everyone else is only interested in what they can get out of New Vegas or Hoover Dam, nothing more, no long term plans, it is just greed or pride that motivates into doing anything. House doesn't care about the past, in none of his conversations does he ever talk about the past, in fact he's looking toward the future more than anyone else. 

House's attempt to recreate the past is continually brought up in the narrative, even by Ulysseus, and it isn't total anarchy with an independent Vegas, since we know the upgraded Secuitron army manages to keep order if the Courier utilized them during the Battle of Hoover Dam. I think Cass had it right about House's victory: "full speed ahead, and backwards the whole time".

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't know but the elders aren't known for attempting anything of the sort and if they do they don't live very long. You could expect that sort of behavior from scribes and what not, but usually the elders, the paladins, the guys with big guns and armor don't think that way. Those who do stay in low positions, why do you think they kept Veronica in some NCR backwater post? They don't want her "poisoning" peoples' minds. It can happen yes, but it is very very unusual for an elder to do anything like that, which is why the Outcasts and Lyons should have had their roles reversed. That would have made a more interesting game.

Do you really take Ulyssess' words as fact? A man who's so obsessed with the courier that he's willing to destroy an entire nation and condemn thousands of innocents for the mistakes of one man and his own obsessions? What does Cass know about anything anyway, she's a drunk and I think that's not referring to House anyway, that's about NCR. House is not trying to recreate the old world, sure he remade Vegas, but had anyone thought of that they would've done the same. But that is a means to an end, Vegas is his way to make money. Nowhere, in any of his conversations does he talk about remaking the United States or preserving technology like a fanatical fool. In fact most times he speaks about the future, about having humanity in space and what not.

[ObserverStatus]

I hate to say it, but I'm kinda hoping that on 12/11/13 Bethesda just reveals a new BoS zipper hoodie or something, just so I can see the fans rage.

[Ravensword]

bussinrounds wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Talk to the users in here who wanted more "refined" shooter mechanics in the next FO game. Think CoD w/ few RPG elements. That'll truly ruin the franchise.

Now, if they decided sometime in the future to make an FO game that was turn-based, it would be more like the latest X-COM game than the old school isometric view.

Having a more "refined" shooter mechanics won't suddenly turn it into a CoD game.

Let's face it, Fallout 4 won't be a turn-based classic Fallout RPG. Having an improved action gameplay is much better than being stuck with a half-ass shooter RPG with awkward animations and dumbed down weapon mechanics.

 Yea, It's funny how the (bad) RPG mechanics are sort of an excuse for the bad combat and vice versa.

At this point they might as well just fully concentrate on the combat systems/gameplay in their games and streamline everything unnecessary. Bethesda should just drop their "RPG elements" entirely and make open-world action-adventure games with Blade of Darkness/Dark Souls style combat (for the ES games, say)...good shooting mechanics for their post-apoc games...

   

     

No.

[Mr.House]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean the Eastern Brotherhood? I think they are both great, even though I follow the path towards an independent Vegas.

Speaking of the Rangers and the Brotherhood, I liked Hanlon and Lyons as the leaders of their groups; they were great representations of their respective groups - the NCR Rangers caught up in an attempted annexation of Vegas and a Brotherhood of Steel faction that isn't doomed to fail like the western division is.

Those clowns? They're not the real Brotherhood IMO, in all honesty the Brotherhoood sucks. They're a bunch of fanatics obsessed with technology, I have them blown up every time. I side with House, everyone else is out of their minds if you ask me. 

 

I disagree about the Eastern Brotherhood. Lyons' Brotherhood is pretty much doing what Veronica wanted the Mojave division to do - use technology to help people, and give the Brotherhood a real future. The Western Brotherhood is doomed - Van Buren and New Vegas made it clear they are doomed in the long run. I destroy the Mojave chapter to protect Veronica and independent Vegas.

And House is as zealous about the past as the Western Brotherhood is. I think Vegas is better off without him.

House has a real plan for the future and is able to protect Vegas, along with it's outlining communites when he gets his full power. It's better to have a dictator who has a real future planned for other people instead of a corrupt goverment, a legion of slayers that will disperse when their leader dies or no holds bar chaos vegas.

[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't know but the elders aren't known for attempting anything of the sort and if they do they don't live very long. You could expect that sort of behavior from scribes and what not, but usually the elders, the paladins, the guys with big guns and armor don't think that way. Those who do stay in low positions, why do you think they kept Veronica in some NCR backwater post? They don't want her "poisoning" peoples' minds. It can happen yes, but it is very very unusual for an elder to do anything like that, which is why the Outcasts and Lyons should have had their roles reversed. That would have made a more interesting game.

Lyons didn't start off as an Elder when they headed east, and the civil war made sense -there was a schism between Lyons and Casdin, and the Brotherhood is comprised of human beings who are capable of autonomous thought. I don't see why some take the attitude that the Elders are robots; they are people, and even the endings in the original Fallout show that the Brotherhood could have gone in a completely different direction depending on the leadership.

Lyons' faction is no different. Take them away from the West Coast and leave them on their own terms for decades, and I'm not surprised that Lyons splintered from the Western Brotherhood. A large segment of Lyons' soldiers are also local conscripts, which factors into it as well.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Do you really take Ulyssess' words as fact? A man who's so obsessed with the courier that he's willing to destroy an entire nation and condemn thousands of innocents for the mistakes of one man and his own obsessions? What does Cass know about anything anyway, she's a drunk and I think that's not referring to House anyway, that's about NCR. House is not trying to recreate the old world, sure he remade Vegas, but had anyone thought of that they would've done the same. But that is a means to an end, Vegas is his way to make money. Nowhere, in any of his conversations does he talk about remaking the United States or preserving technology like a fanatical fool. In fact most times he speaks about the future, about having humanity in space and what not.

It's not simply Ulysseus when we see the Families themselves represent House's attempt to recreate an era that's long since dead. It's also Cass' view in the House ending about the direction they are headed in, with House in charge of the Mojave - not in the NCR ending. And House's actions towards Goodsprings and the Kings (if they don't violently oppose the NCR) don't incentivize me to trust House with any segment of humanity.

[Mr.House]

Cass is a NCR supporter, of course she is not going to be thrilled that the NCR just got bumrushed out of Nevada.

The families are also used for a way for House to make money, which he uses for many things, none of which are for selfish means(unlike the NCR) and his plans are consistent with that. House is the only one who has the brain to think long term, create a way for large amount of revenue, reopen the factories and start finding a way to get humans off that hellhole.

House is not trying to remake the old world, the NCR is though. Hosue is simply using old means to make large money so he can do his real goals which are revealed in his path.

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I disagree about the Eastern Brotherhood. Lyons' Brotherhood is pretty much doing what Veronica wanted the Mojave division to do - use technology to help people, and give the Brotherhood a real future. The Western Brotherhood is doomed - Van Buren and New Vegas made it clear they are doomed in the long run. I destroy the Mojave chapter to protect Veronica and independent Vegas.

And House is as zealous about the past as the Western Brotherhood is. I think Vegas is better off without him. 

House has a real plan for the future and is able to protect Vegas, along with it's outlining communites when he gets his full power. It's better to have a dictator who has a real future planned for other people instead of a corrupt goverment, a legion of slayers that will disperse when their leader dies or no holds bar chaos vegas. 

House has a plan for his own empowerment, not the betterment of humanity. I loathe to think of the future he might bring under his stewardship. And an independent Vegas isn't "no holds bar chaos", which is easy enough to discern from the Epilogue.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Maybe you don't get it but House is someone who gets things done, whatever the cost. The kings want to be a problem, they'll be removed, simple as that and while they keep the peace in Freeside, I don't think they're all that nice anyway.

People say "House is inhuman, he doesn't care about the poor" but the fact is that he doesn't care about all the details, he's focused on the big picture, all of humanity not just the poor people or the rich people. He has so many years of invaluable experience and for the last time he's not trying to recreate the old world. Listen to his dialogue.

[Mr.House]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Maybe you don't get it but House is someone who gets things done, whatever the cost. The kings want to be a problem, they'll be removed, simple as that and while they keep the peace in Freeside, I don't think they're all that nice anyway.

People say "House is inhuman, he doesn't care about the poor" but the fact is that he doesn't care about all the details, he's focused on the big picture, all of humanity not just the poor people or the rich people. He has so many years of invaluable experience and for the last time he's not trying to recreate the old world. Listen to his dialogue.

Most peopel who say that either never done Hosues path or paid attention, it's the same when people think House and NCr should not be fighting.

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

Cass is a NCR supporter, of course she is not going to be thrilled that the NCR just got bumrushed out of Nevada.

The families are also used for a way for House to make money, which he uses for many things, none of which are for selfish means(unlike the NCR) and his plans are consistent with that. House is the only one who has the brain to think long term, create a way for large amount of revenue, reopen the factories and start finding a way to get humans off that hellhole.

House is not trying to remake the old world, the NCR is though. Hosue is simply using old means to make large money so he can do his real goals which are revealed in his path.

House's vision for New Vegas is just as selfish as the NCR's is. House isn't altruistic, which is clear enough to see when he butchers the Kings unless they violently persecute NCR soldiers and NCR citizens. I'm not buying into House's "despotic vision of pre-War glory" for New Vegas. And House isn't the only one with intellect in the Mojave. You might favor his vision for the future, but I certainly don't.