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[Glitchfull]

I'm very curious to how others perceive the choice between the Geth and Qurians decision after the reaper is downed and Legion begins his upload. I know most either meta gamed to get the "happy ending" or your like me and you just happened to have chosen the right options to be able to resolve the issue with peace.





My question is to exclude this possibility from the equation. Say the Qurians absolutely refuse to back off, who do you choose?





I would choose the Geth. The Qurains began a conquest to wipe geth intelligence from existance, they chose genocide over just simply accepting that things evolve. The Geth may have forced them off their homeworld, but it was merely out of self defense and they even refused to proceed to commit genocide in return, seeing that the Quarians were going to leave them alone.

The big decision maker I see swaying people isn't the whole "Death of a race" idea, but the death of a friend, even if it is an incredibly selfish look on the scenario. Though I still would choose Geth, even if I do romance Tali. My main reason is for the reason before, but Legion "living on", or however it's perceived, is just a bonus to the former. While it is still sad to see Tali kill herself, seeing Shepard gunning down Legion who was only trying to free his kind makes me shake my head and look away. Tali herself would be the only reason I can see myself helping the Qurians, but I personaly wouldn't cope so well with my selfishness getting the better of me there.

That's just my opinion on the matter though and one to spark discussion.

[DeinonSlayer]

Already had a blowout argument on this topic going in another live thread today.

edited: removed inflammatory content ~Mod05

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:25 .

[wolfhowwl]

edit: mod deleted what I responded to

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:28 .

[dreamgazer]

Then I'd side with the Templars.

Wait, where am I?

[Glitchfull]

This isn't about the idea of racisim and xenophobe as a whole, just this part. Also, there are people in this world that haven't read the whole forum. I'm just curious about this one decision by itself.

[DeinonSlayer]

wolfhowwl wrote...

They made their account a month ago. How about you control yourself and not be an ass to new posters.

Not trying to be an ass. I'm talking about the debate itself. It simply won't die.

OP, I'd be happy to provide links to some of the debate that's already taken place. It remains a highly contentious topic, thought it tends to break down these days to the same people (myself included) making the same arguments back and forth ad infinitum.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

wolfhowwl wrote...

They made their account a month ago. How about you control yourself and not be an ass to new posters.

I'm willing to bet my ass a five second search would've brought up a fairly recent thread.

[CronoDragoon]

They are both idiotic races, but only one of them sided with the Reapers. A counter-argument is that Legion says they only did this because the quarians destroying their Dyson Sphere lowered their intelligence enough to submit to the Reapers. This is not really an excuse at all though, since networking for higher (or lower with the absence of networking) processing power and therefore intelligence is simply an aspect of their race. It doesn't excuse them any more than emotions excuse organics.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:58 .

[SwobyJ]

I would choose Quarians because I want Tali on my team.

Sorry but metagaming be metagaming

OK, aside from that, it'd be tough. I guess on my MainShep (which is supposed to more fit my personal ideals), without the metagaming aspect, I'd pick Quarians too. Not for organic or synthetic reasons, but because I'd rather pick the group that hasn't embraced Reaper tech as their solution. For any reason. I'm actually OK with it used in specific ways, but not like the Geth did, in the end.

It's interesting, in retrospect, the whole Quarian arc though. Do we accept or reject the Geth for what they've done? Do we accept or reject the Quarians for what they've done? .. and eventually, do we accept or reject the Reapers for what they've done (a much larger leap, but the core philosophical issues are similarly written).

[Jorji Costava]

Ryzaki wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

They made their account a month ago. How about you control yourself and not be an ass to new posters.

I'm willing to bet my ass a five second search would've brought up a fairly recent thread.

Could be a bit trickier than that, seeing as a lot of the time these debates pop up on threads that have seemingly nothing to do with the subject. It's not uncommon for a thread entitled, "Should Ethan Jeong Have Returned in ME3?" to end up with 10 pages worth of Geth/Quarian posts.

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

They made their account a month ago. How about you control yourself and not be an ass to new posters.

Not trying to be an ass. I'm talking about the debate itself. It simply won't die.

OP, I'd be happy to provide links to some of the debate that's already taken place. It remains a highly contentious topic, thought it tends to break down these days to the same people (myself included) making the same arguments back and forth ad infinitum.

I kind of miss the Collector Base debates. At least then both sides had validity to me and weren't filled with one group taking stupid pills.

But alas BW made that decision practically worthless.

And honestly if I see silver arguing with someone for another 14 pages making the same damn point sI'm gonna claw my eyes out.

osbornep wrote...
Could
be a bit trickier than that, seeing as a lot of the time these debates
pop up on threads that have seemingly nothing to do with the subject.
It's not uncommon for a thread entitled, "Should Ethan Jeong Have
Returned in ME3?" to end up with 10 pages worth of Geth/Quarian posts.

Ah yeah that is a very fair point. It's like the mage/templar debate. It just infests everything. And no one convinces anyone of anything.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:59 .

[Glitchfull]

I'm I not allowed to create my own thread? Such hostility to someone who simply just wants to discuss. Before this gets tooo crazy, lets try from this point on to remain on topic. If not, you are more than welcome to just observe or just not pay attention to it. It would very much be appreciated if we avoid negative attitudes.

[DeinonSlayer]

You're allowed, of course, just be wary it's an absolute powder keg of a topic which has been discussed many, many times and tends to go in circles. I think this thread was the most infamous of them all.

Honestly, by this point there has been far, far more discussion and thought put into this by the fans than the writers ever did.

And honestly if I see silver arguing with someone for another 14 pages making the same damn point sI'm gonna claw my eyes out.

Oh, God, yes... silver vs remydat... page after page after page... the horror... the horror...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:04 .

[CynicalShep]

Yes, BSN, proceed

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I think this thread was the most infamous of them all.

loling forever at Priestly's quote

Ok. Given the swearing and general onsidedness of responses (of the 4693
repsonses so far, 1465 are from 2 people, I think you know which two).
this thread is closed.

But yeah A. Geth are Evil B. Quarians are Stupid C. Geth had a right to defend themselves D. Quarians had a right to take their land back E. Geth should've just laid down and died rather than go to the Reapers F. Quarians should've left the Geth alone. G. Ha ha toaster. H. Suit rats and so on.

And despite knowing I'm going in a damn merry go round I find myself jumping into it. goddamn.

<- Sides with Geth

< -- picks destroy

<-- lols forever as Quarian warmongering cost them their species when they could've waited and got their homeworld.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:06 .

[Hazegurl]

I picked the Geth. I was sick of the Quarians acting like victims. You can't start a fight then cry victim cause you're losing. I also didn't like Gerrel firing on a ship I was on. Nope, not gonna become some freaking maytr for the Quarian people as they prepare to make the same mistake that'll cost them their homeworld in the future. *looking at xen*

[snackrat]

Would side with geth also. Normally I would be sympathetic to organics, but the quarians struck first without warning (causing the fight in the first place), put their planet under martial law, shot any other quarians who sympathised with the geth (to the point that Legion says none even remained) even though those shown were peaceful and trying to reason.

Then they dragged Tali into their political infighting, using her life like a poker chip in their arguments to retake Rannoch. Punishing her (or her father) for their politics.

Then in the middle of a galactic war from the reapers used the disarray to blow up a geth server - which was intended to be a nonhostile permanent domicile for the geth!
Then they strapped weapons to their civilian ships, forcing them against their will into battle and death (Legion makes it clear they would not have shot them were they unarmed)!
That's them breaking TWO council rulings - not to start a war with the geth (they did this intentionally) and not to exceed a certain number of 'technical' dreadnoughts (their civilian ships used dreadnought-grade weapons).

THEN they try and blow up a ship with Shepard and Tali on it.... THEN they try and rationalise to Shepard's face why killing the one person saving the galaxy from the Reapers, while onboard a COMPLETELY DISABLED SHIP, was a 'good' idea...


I do have a save where I sided with the quarians so I could see the related content. In ME2, even after Legion, I probably would have sided with the quarians. If in ME3 they'd accidentally stumbled into war without arming their civilians I probably would have sided with the quarians. If they had not attempted to shoot down a disabled ship while the galaxy's only real future was on it, I MAY STILL HAVE SIDED with the quarians.


...but nope. In fact, if Tali has already died in ME3, it's reached the point I can't say I would even attempt to save both, forcing myself into an ultimatum (probably by saving Koris' shipmates rather than himself).


EDIT:

Hazegurl wrote...

I picked the Geth. I was sick of the
Quarians acting like victims. You can't start a fight then cry victim
cause you're losing. I also didn't like Gerrel firing on a ship I was
on. Nope, not gonna become some freaking maytr for the Quarian people as
they prepare to make the same mistake that'll cost them their homeworld
in the future. *looking at xen*

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. Quarians were always the aggressors, geth the defenders. Quarians only paint themselves as vulnerable because they lost. Because they're the side the galaxy (and Shepard) is most exposed to, the get protagonist advantage (portrayal as being the 'right' side of the war). I imagine were we introduced to the geth first, and met a singular quarian sniper in ME2 instead, this wouldn't even be a debate. While people would side with quarian, they'd be a major minority.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:17 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

And despite knowing I'm going in a damn merry go round I find myself jumping into it. goddamn.

<- Sides with Geth

< -- picks destroy

<-- lols forever as Quarian warmongering cost them their species when they could've waited and got their homeworld.

*sigh*

<-- Shoots the Geth VI three times.



Didn't mean to bite the newcomer, OP. I apologize.

EDIT: Oh, the things I could do to your argument, karsciyin... don't tempt me.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:21 .

[Jorji Costava]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah yeah that is a very fair point. It's like the mage/templar debate. It just infests everything. And no one convinces anyone of anything.

I suggest we tip the balance the other way by railroading all Geth/Quarian threads into discussions of the Genophage, the Rachni decision and the Collector base.

In response to the OP, yes this has been an extremely incendiary topic for some time now, moreso than any I can remember other than the ending (given my admittedly sporadic BSN participation). You might have had better luck starting with any of the other major decisions (excluding the ending, of course). And welcome to the BSN!

[SwobyJ]

Remember this in the next game in post-Reaper war with Reaper-entities still around in other and new forms, and our new Society blasting them apart whenever they're discovered, hundreds of years in the future.  :devil:


EDIT: This all being foreshadowed by characters and concepts like EDI.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:31 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

I'm not going to comment on the Geth vs Quarian issue or who was in the right, yadeda... did enough of that today.

I think to get the most personal, emotional drama though, it is best to choose the option to let the Geth die. Legion will respond that it feels betrayed and when it goes to attack Shepard Tali stabs it in the back. That event is probably the most intense scene in the game.

[Ryzaki]

osbornep wrote...
I suggest we tip the balance the other way by railroading all Geth/Quarian threads into discussions of the Genophage, the Rachni decision and the Collector base.

In response to the OP, yes this has been an extremely incendiary topic for some time now, moreso than any I can remember other than the ending (given my admittedly sporadic BSN participation). You might have had better luck starting with any of the other major decisions (excluding the ending, of course). And welcome to the BSN!

Yesss. Well maybe not Collector base since we all know that only leads to a 10 war asset difference. (OMG. CONSEQUENCES) or you not being able to pick control/destroy if you completely screw up.

It wouldn't be so pad if people didn't fling personal insults about like they were candy during these discussions. Or go on and on and on on the same damn points for pages on pages and pages hardly letting anyone else get a word in edgewise.

DeinonSlayer wrote...

*sigh*

<-- Shoots the Geth VI three times.

*snip*

Didn't mean to bite the newcomer, OP. I apologize.

XD perfect pic.

Though I agree with you on shooting the Geth VI. Dude's a ******. I accidently ticked Legion as dead when modifying my save once. Never again.

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Oh, God, yes... silver vs remydat... page after page after page... the horror... the horror...

Tell me about it. I tried debaing silver once. Never again. PMing me insults and just no some people take this debate far far too seriously.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:27 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh so NOW I double post. *shakes fist*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:27 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Oh, God, yes... silver vs remydat... page after page after page... the horror... the horror...

Tell me about it. I tried debaing silver once. Never again. PMing me insults and just no some people take this debate far far too seriously.

Auld Wulf's insults were particularly creative. Apparently I'm a "luddite" and a "genocide fetishist."

Ah, the good old days...

[SwobyJ]

Isn't the Geth VI just a Legion-clone that never got to stalk-follow Shepard's path?