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[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

To each their own. ME1 is basically unplayable for me at this point. I'd rather face Starbrat again than that cover system.

I'd rather face the Saren-hopper than Starbrat again

Oh man Saren hopper. *That* was hilarious.

Ah I remember thinking that was so stupid...I wish that was the silliest enemy I could recall in the series again.

Starbrat's so terrible he makes me miss Saren hopper and Memetic Molester Harby.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 novembre 2013 - 07:25 .

[CronoDragoon]

iakus wrote...
I'd rather face the Saren-hopper than Starbrat again

Like I said, to each their own. You clearly can tolerate combat and boss fights that I find miserable in that "if this game's combat were my spouse I'd just say I have a headache" let's-get-it-over-with kind of way.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 novembre 2013 - 07:36 .

[General TSAR]

This dead horse has been melted down into glue and shipped to retail stores throughout the nation.
........
Quarians because Organics > Artificial Constructs.

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

This dead horse has been melted down into glue and shipped to retail stores throughout the nation.
........
Quarians because Organics > Artificial Constructs.

Good myn. 

[Dextro Milk]

Gethies tend to see killing billions of people using chemical weapons as "justified"... Just seems like pure ignorance to me.

[CronoDragoon]

StreetMagic wrote...
To me, Starkid was capable of inflicting actual pain, in my most sensitive areas. lol

Get that checked, bro. Might not be Starkid.

[Jorji Costava]

StreetMagic wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
I'd rather face the Saren-hopper than Starbrat again

Like I said, to each their own. You clearly can tolerate combat and boss fights that I find miserable in that "if this was my spouse I'd just say I have a headache" let's-get-it-over-with way.

I still feel that way about Saren. Very much a "lets get it over with" thing. The thing is, he doesn't assault any emotional areas. It's blank there.. it's purely combat. To me, Starkid was capable of inflicting actual pain, in my most sensitive areas. lol

And not the good "Ooooh, wow, this is so dramatic kind of pain." Just heartlessness, confusion, powerlessness, and nihilistic pain. Like I said, ripped my heart out of my chest. And not in a cool Mortal Kombat "Get Over Here!" kind of way. Just quietly reached in, unplugged my lifeline, and killed softly.

I feel like the abomination that was the Reaper baby isn't getting enough love (hate?) here.

Dextro Milk wrote...

Gethies tend to see killing billions of people using chemical weapons as "justified"... Just seems like pure ignorance to me.

Is there a quote or codex entry to support that? I don't recall any reference to chemical weapons being used during the Morning War.

[Ryzaki]

Heh I was lucky I read the leaked script.

Man I was so angry when I first saw that ending. Mostly in the "god this is stupid let me laugh at it" stage now.

LOL terminator reaper.

That was hilarious.

And it bounced around like a damn rabbit. That was the most annoying part.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 novembre 2013 - 07:49 .

[Dextro Milk]

osbornep wrote...

Is there a quote or codex entry to support that? I don't recall any reference to chemical weapons being used during the Morning War.

Legion states the Geth are still clearing up "rubble and toxins" left from the Morning War. Toxins are useless against machines like Geth, and if Quarians had used chemical weapons on their own people (Like Remy always said) Legion would have definitely shown that during his ME3 Consensus mission.

I am making a couple assumptions, but hey, it would make a lot more sense than anything else I have heard regarding this.

It's been said before, this whole argument is "headcanon vs headcanon"

[Ryzaki]

StreetMagic wrote...

osbornep wrote...

I feel like the abomination that was the Reaper baby isn't getting enough love (hate?) here.

At least the Reaper baby had an interesting targetting pattern, that lasted for a minute or so.

The best thing though is the approach, with your two favorite squaddies, killing off those Collectors on the platforms. The music is epic. And if you're like me, you hit those mf'ers with a Cain to finish it off. The whole thing is uber-cathartic, so it makes up for whatever lameness the Reaper baby had.

Yeah the SM theme alone made that scene epic.

Especially if you get everyone out alive with the nods towards the crew and man such a high note to end a game on.

[Dextro Milk]

Ryzaki wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

osbornep wrote...

I feel like the abomination that was the Reaper baby isn't getting enough love (hate?) here.

At least the Reaper baby had an interesting targetting pattern, that lasted for a minute or so.

The best thing though is the approach, with your two favorite squaddies, killing off those Collectors on the platforms. The music is epic. And if you're like me, you hit those mf'ers with a Cain to finish it off. The whole thing is uber-cathartic, so it makes up for whatever lameness the Reaper baby had.

Yeah the SM theme alone made that scene epic.

Especially if you get everyone out alive with the nods towards the crew and man such a high note to end a game on.

SM theme is one of the best Mass Effect OST's imo. Vigil gets the #1 spot for me lol

[Jorji Costava]

Dextro Milk wrote...

osbornep wrote...

Is there a quote or codex entry to support that? I don't recall any reference to chemical weapons being used during the Morning War.

Legion states the Geth are still clearing up "rubble and toxins" left from the Morning War. Toxins are useless against machines like Geth, and if Quarians had used chemical weapons on their own people (Like Remy always said) Legion would have definitely shown that during his ME3 Consensus mission.

I am making a couple assumptions, but hey, it would make a lot more sense than anything else I have heard regarding this.

Yeah, there is a lot of speculation there. Toxins could result from any number of causes, like destroyed power plants, ecological damage resulting from combat, displacements, etc. I don't think any one really has a good idea what happened during the war.

It's been said before, this whole argument is "headcanon vs headcanon"

No argument there. According to one side, the wide-eyed and innocent Geth fought valiantly against crazed, racist Quarians who were all armed with rifles down to the last infant. According to the other side, the first thing the Geth did when they became self-aware was to ****** on a copy of Walzer's Just and Unjust Wars, after which they decided to commit war crimes left and right for teh lulz. 100% of Quarian civilians who died during the war were exterminated by Geth SS officers.

Needless to say, there's no good evidence to support either of these pictures (or any other picture, really), which is why I can't stand these debates.

[CronoDragoon]

I find the debates useless because I think the the basic tension of the conflict is fundamentally stupid. The geth don't see Rannoch as their home (they live in stations) and are tending it for when the quarians return. The quarians want to return. Somehow the geth leaving Rannoch so the quarians can return is never a primary, discussed option, despite it accomplishing what both sides want without war.

But then of course we wouldn't be ON THE BRINK OF SPECIES EXTERMINATION OMG in ME3.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 novembre 2013 - 08:14 .

[ruggly]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I find the debates useless because I think the the basic tension of the conflict is fundamentally stupid. The geth don't see Rannoch as their home (they live in stations) and are tending it for when the quarians return. The quarians want to return. Somehow the geth leaving Rannoch so the quarians can return is never a primary, discussed option, despite it accomplishing what both sides want without war.

But then of course we wouldn't be ON THE BRINK OF SPECIES EXTERMINATION OMG in ME3.

WE NEED MOAR DRAMA, COMMANDER!

[Deathsaurer]

CronoDragoon wrote...
The geth don't see Rannoch as their home (they live in stations) and are tending it for when the quarians return. The quarians want to return. Somehow the geth leaving Rannoch so the quarians can return is never a primary, discussed option, despite it accomplishing what both sides want without war.

That would have worked fine if Han'Gerrel wasn't all keep shooting no matter what.

[Rasofe]

Just went through that scene today again.
It's a hard situation to be in as a player who has already played the game. I mean, on first try, obviously you'll want to pick the option that involves the charm or intimidate (taught by the the other games as universally the best). But If you're set on doing the Destroy ending eventually because that's the ending you want in that playthrough, you get a serious dilemma.

The Geth will die. So do you let them live because they'll die anyway, or do you kill them because they will die anyway? Anyone who intends for destroy has already consigned that the Geth are a dead race.

I guess it depends on the disposition of your character. If Shepard doesn't trust synthetic life at all he or she may not even want to let the Geth become true AI. If Shepard's all for diversity, they'll broker a truce. But if Shepard is just incompetent, the Quarians will die because it implies Shepard assumes that the Quarians will cease fire just because he or she asks.

[Rasofe]

Hah. EDI said she'd be willing to risk nonfunctionality (death) to stop the Reapers. That doesn't mean she'd want to die just so that Shepard doesn't have to abandon his mortal form.

So yeah, there's really no sugar coating it. EDI has a lot of Reaper code building the backbone of her intelligence. The same goes for the Geth. If you pick Destroy, they die. So the only solution is to distance yourself from EDI and the Geth. They're casualties. ME3 has a lot of casualties... the synthetics just add to the list.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, that's my opinion on the whole thing.

[Rasofe]

StreetMagic wrote...

Rasofe wrote...

Hah. EDI said she'd be willing to risk nonfunctionality (death) to stop the Reapers. That doesn't mean she'd want to die just so that Shepard doesn't have to abandon his mortal form.

It's far more important than just Shepard living. I care about life evolving free of gigantic robots dictating how everyone evolves. Free of Reapers, free of the Catalyst, free of a Shep God Emperor, free of "ideal" evolution that goes down one straight line like Synthesis. That's the only thing that's important. It's been that way ever since I was arguing with Saren. The struggle to have our own sense of agency.

That's cool and everything but I think EDI would prefer Shepard chosing Control over Destroy.
Unless we make it a matter of the bigger principle being more important than a character. I can't stand by that because it's silly - the principles one could extrapolate from the "meanings" of the different endings pale in comparison to a properly well-written character. It's not good literature to sacrifice characters - without any immediate input by said characters - for the sake of an ideal. Now, if Shepard is doing it to save his or her own skin, that I can buy.