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[CronoDragoon]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I'm not going to comment on the Geth vs Quarian issue or who was in the right, yadeda... did enough of that today.

I think to get the most personal, emotional drama though, it is best to choose the option to let the Geth die. Legion will respond that it feels betrayed and when it goes to attack Shepard Tali stabs it in the back. That event is probably the most intense scene in the game.

Both scenes are pretty high on the drama scale, but the Legion one makes for a better story, I think.

I've been curious for awhile now what a "no P/R persuasion" run through the series would look like. I think in particular the quarian/geth storyline becomes way more interesting; Tali gets exiled instead of being able to shout the admirals down, Legion or Tali aren't loyal to Shepard, no peace, etc. In other words playing through as if Shepard is just a regular dude doing the best he can.

[DeinonSlayer]

SwobyJ wrote...

Isn't the Geth VI just a Legion-clone that never got to stalk-follow Shepard's path?

Pretty much. It's about as cuddly as Skynet.

@CronoDragoon
Never did a no-persuasion playthrough, but each of my Shepards had something big go "wrong." Each brought a different combination of survivors to the end game. Each kept different people loyal, did different things in loyalty missions, romanced someone else. It kept things fresh.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:35 .

[wolfhowwl]

Ryzaki wrote...
Tell me about it. I tried debaing silver once. Never again. PMing me insults and just no some people take this debate far far too seriously.

Were you here for his one man war against the forum in that Ashley thread last week?

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Oh, God, yes... silver vs remydat... page after page after page... the horror... the horror...

Tell me about it. I tried debaing silver once. Never again. PMing me insults and just no some people take this debate far far too seriously.

Auld Wulf's insults were particularly creative. Apparently I'm a "luddite" and a "genocide fetishist."

Ah, the good old days...

I remember being called a luddite because I thought Xbox One's DRM was garbage. That was fun. Oh yeah and I'm evil genocidist too because I annulled the circle.

Pfft.

It's like people ignore they're playing mass murderers who's friends with murderers and worse.


Was Wulf the one who was comparing people to Hitler? Calling them Adolf and ****?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:38 .

[SwobyJ]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Isn't the Geth VI just a Legion-clone that never got to stalk-follow Shepard's path?

Pretty much. It's about as cuddly as Skynet.

The interesting part of it was the reaction to interfacing with the Reaper. While Legion is all in a synthetic form of awe by it (... quite a change from ME2), the Geth VI seems to maintain the old stance of 'whatever'.

[Darks1d3]

@wolfhowwl

How could anyone forget? I especially liked how he thought by underlining and Boldning words he was making his statements more valid.

Modifié par Darks1d3, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:38 .

[snackrat]

CronoDragoon wrote...

*snip* ...I've been curious for awhile now what a "no P/R persuasion" run through the series would look like. I think in particular the quarian/geth storyline becomes way more interesting; Tali gets exiled instead of being able to shout the admirals down, Legion or Tali aren't loyal to Shepard, no peace, etc. In other words playing through as if Shepard is just a regular dude doing the best he can.

The former can actually be completed without P/R coercion though. Sending Veetor to the fleet (Freedom's Progress) and having Reegar still alive (Haestrom) allows you to 'incite the crowd', where they more or less say 'if Tali goes, we go'. This show of loyalty is enough to clear Tali without P/R.

[Ryzaki]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Tell me about it. I tried debaing silver once. Never again. PMing me insults and just no some people take this debate far far too seriously.

Were you here for his one man war against the forum in that Ashley thread last week?

Was it the is Ashley a b***h? thread? Cause if so yeah I think I saw it. Oh god all that underlining and bolding! So ****ing ANNOYING.

[iOnlySignIn]

I would do nothing.

Whoever wins in this struggle is stronger and would make a better ally.

[SwobyJ]

CronoDragoon wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I'm not going to comment on the Geth vs Quarian issue or who was in the right, yadeda... did enough of that today.

I think to get the most personal, emotional drama though, it is best to choose the option to let the Geth die. Legion will respond that it feels betrayed and when it goes to attack Shepard Tali stabs it in the back. That event is probably the most intense scene in the game.

Both scenes are pretty high on the drama scale, but the Legion one makes for a better story, I think.

I've been curious for awhile now what a "no P/R persuasion" run through the series would look like. I think in particular the quarian/geth storyline becomes way more interesting; Tali gets exiled instead of being able to shout the admirals down, Legion or Tali aren't loyal to Shepard, no peace, etc. In other words playing through as if Shepard is just a regular dude doing the best he can.

Yes.

Shepard without his ol' Red and Blue is quite the struggling guy. (EDIT: But yes, occasionally inspiring, like the Crowd Rally in ME2)
And without his Green (Cure, Geth Upgrade.., more?...), he still has gotta make some tough choices (treatment of characters around fake cure, geth/quarian choice, ..Destroy/Control).

I plan on a Sentinel of mine doing a No-Color playthrough, eventually probably Refusing at the end. Dunno if I want to do it 'fully' otherwise, or even go so far as a 'failShep' playthrough.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:41 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

I remember being called a luddite because I thought Xbox One's DRM was garbage. That was fun. Oh yeah and I'm evil genocidist too because I annulled the circle.

Pfft.

It's like people ignore they're playing mass murderers who's friends with murderers and worse.

I think in Auld's book anyone who disliked Synthesis fell under the "luddite" category. It was supposed to somehow cure Joker's Vroliks (despite him using the same walk animation in all three endings). Also, CloneShep from the Citadel DLC is who we saw breathing in the Destroy ending and the Morning War consisted of the Quarian military forcing their own civilians to perform suicide bombings against the geth and their sympathizers.

Man, that guy was a riot.

Sorry. I'll stop derailing the thread.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:42 .

[SwobyJ]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I would do nothing.

Whoever wins in this struggle is stronger and would make a better ally.

I admit it would be hilarious to see Shepard just shrug at Tali at the end of Rannoch.

"Pffft, Legion's doing something cool. Let me watch. If you win, you get to join me. If you lose, bye bye."

[CronoDragoon]

SwobyJ wrote...
Yes.

Shepard without his ol' Red and Blue is quite the struggling guy. (EDIT: But yes, occasionally inspiring, like the Crowd Rally in ME2)
And without his Green (Cure, Geth Upgrade.., more?...), he still has gotta make some tough choices (treatment of characters around fake cure, geth/quarian choice, ..Destroy/Control).

Honestly what made me think of this again was finally watching Paragon Lost. I actually enjoyed it a lot, and holy crap that ending choice (and what Vega actually chose) I was stunned. It was only after the movie that I remembered Vega had told Shepard he'd saved the intel (and as it turns out didn't tell Shepard about the asari part!).

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:43 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

CronoDragoon wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I'm not going to comment on the Geth vs Quarian issue or who was in the right, yadeda... did enough of that today.

I think to get the most personal, emotional drama though, it is best to choose the option to let the Geth die. Legion will respond that it feels betrayed and when it goes to attack Shepard Tali stabs it in the back. That event is probably the most intense scene in the game.

Both scenes are pretty high on the drama scale, but the Legion one makes for a better story, I think.

I've been curious for awhile now what a "no P/R persuasion" run through the series would look like. I think in particular the quarian/geth storyline becomes way more interesting; Tali gets exiled instead of being able to shout the admirals down, Legion or Tali aren't loyal to Shepard, no peace, etc. In other words playing through as if Shepard is just a regular dude doing the best he can.

Hmm, never actually played the option to choose the Geth over the Quarians, although I have seen the clip on YouTube (but that method doesn't ususual have the same feel). I've always had the option though for peace and I've always chosen to go with that, minus one case (damn you xenophobe Shep!). Thematically though I think peace is a great pay off and I tend to get way to emotionally involved in a Mass Effect playthrough that not choosing one means I have to stop playing for a while.

[Ravensword]

I thought we'd gotten over these Geth vs. Quarian arguments, but some people won't be satisfied until it becomes as ubiquitous as mage vs. templar threads.

[CronoDragoon]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Hmm, never actually played the option to choose the Geth over the Quarians, although I have seen the clip on YouTube (but that method doesn't ususual have the same feel). I've always had the option though for peace and I've always chosen to go with that, minus one case (damn you xenophobe Shep!). Thematically though I think peace is a great pay off and I tend to get way to emotionally involved in a Mass Effect playthrough that not choosing one means I have to stop playing for a while.

I always choose peace too, and sorry for the confusion but by the Legion scene I mean the Legion dies scene. I'm a sucker for the "paradise lost" type of story development where you can glimpse a great future for the characters before it's smashed (Berserk, Gungrave, Angel) and this fits the bill. Peace feels so close, but circumstances ultimately trumped hopes.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I think in Auld's book anyone who disliked Synthesis fell under the "luddite" category. It was supposed to somehow cure Joker's Vroliks (despite him using the same walk animation in all three endings). Also, CloneShep from the Citadel DLC is who we saw breathing in the Destroy ending and the Morning War consisted of the Quarian military forcing their own civilians to perform suicide bombings against the geth and their sympathizers.

Man, that guy was a riot.

Sorry. I'll stop derailing the thread.

Oh lawd Synthesis. Don't get me started on Synthesis supporers...

LOL That's hilarious.

(Also I love when I was debating the original POS endings and was told I was being depressing and I didn't get the vision and clearly everything ended up A-OK despite the last hours (or whatever they called it it was something you got on IOS and crap) saying it pretty much was a wasteland. That was fun.

Oh yeah...gggr Quarians bad.

...Still mad I couldn't see Tali's face. her taking her mask off at Rannoch (whether to jump or simply look at the sky) was the perfect chance to see her face.

But noooo they had to give Chobot a unique model. With them squirrel cheeks.

Meanwhile Tali gets generic picture is generic and I can't even see the damn thing unless I romance her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:48 .

[iOnlySignIn]

SwobyJ wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I would do nothing.

Whoever wins in this struggle is stronger and would make a better ally.

I admit it would be hilarious to see Shepard just shrug at Tali at the end of Rannoch.

"Pffft, Legion's doing something cool. Let me watch. If you win, you get to join me. If you lose, bye bye."

Yep.

May the best fleet win.

Moreover Shepard has done more than enough to help up to that point. It's time to step aside and "let evolution decide who lives or dies", as Padok Wiks put it.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:48 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Still mad I couldn't see Tali's face. her taking her mask off at Rannoch (whether to jump or simply look at the sky) was the perfect chance to see her face.

But noooo they had to give Chobot a unique model. With them squirrel cheeks.

I did something about that.

Looks like Getorex is taking it a step further.

EDIT: I think a new version of ME3Explorer came out since I made that mod... I can't be 100% certain if they're compatible from version to version. Always back up before applying mods.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:52 .

[Ryzaki]

That just makes me wonder if the Krogan had been left alone to evolve to space flight levels on their own would they have naturally become a yahg like species?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No matter which side you choose you commit genocide. ...

unless you don't think the Geth are alive in the first place, and Legion is the only one of the lot of them who is alive.

The question is: Do you want to commit Genocide once or twice? If you're going to pick Destroy, you kill the virtual aliens, who truly had nothing to do with this conflict in the first place. They were just drifting through space. They uploaded themselves into an AI so that they could survive because their sun was going to go supernova and set themselves adrift among the stars. They're just living peacefully.

Hmmmm..... So there's no way around it. Unless you pick Control or Synth you do end up doing a double genocide.

So I say this.... Do you like Tali? Yes or no? If you do, side with the Quarians. If you don't side with the Geth. To hell with who is right or who is wrong. Just remember that you owe your entire career to Tali'Zorah. If it wasn't for Tali'Zorah nar Rayya, Saren Arterius would have succeeded and the Reapers would have poured through the Citadel three years earlier. It was her irrefutable evidence that saved the galaxy. Just remember that when you make your decision. If you have any kind of heroism, you'll side with Tali.

Now. Go on. Make your decision.

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Still mad I couldn't see Tali's face. her taking her mask off at Rannoch (whether to jump or simply look at the sky) was the perfect chance to see her face.

But noooo they had to give Chobot a unique model. With them squirrel cheeks.

I did something about that.

Looks like Getorex is taking it a step further.

You should upload that somewhere else since BWs getting rid of projects soon  

But yeah I wanna see her face without romancing her

If you have any kind of heroism, you'll side with Tali.

David is that you? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:52 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

If you have any kind of heroism, you'll side with Tali.

David is that you?

Shh, shhh! You'll summon him!

[Anubis722]

Ravensword wrote...

I thought we'd gotten over these Geth vs. Quarian arguments, but some people won't be satisfied until it becomes as ubiquitous as mage vs. templar threads.

This right here, noting against the OP or anything"Sign" sides with Quarians and shoot Legion/Geth VI in the face,then turn his head into a lamp and give it to Javik as a gift.

Modifié par AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath, 19 novembre 2013 - 06:06 .

[Hazegurl]

SwobyJ wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I would do nothing.

Whoever wins in this struggle is stronger and would make a better ally.

I admit it would be hilarious to see Shepard just shrug at Tali at the end of Rannoch.

"Pffft, Legion's doing something cool. Let me watch. If you win, you get to join me. If you lose, bye bye."

My Shepard as he tells Legion upload the code.


The way I see it if peace can't be achieved then it's not my job to tell someone what they should or shouldn't do with their own race/species. I never tell the Quarians what to do with the Geth and I'll do the same for the Geth. 

Modifié par Hazegurl, 19 novembre 2013 - 06:01 .