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[RatThing]

I'd choose Quarians over geth any time, and if it's just for pragmatic reasons. If the war goes bad the geth'll come crawling back to the Reapers again to safe their asses, and then you'd have to fight them again.

[DeinonSlayer]

It is rather lulzy on its surface.


"Shepard-Commander opposes the old machines. Shepard-Commander opposes the heretics. Cooperation furthers mutual goals."

Six months later...


"Shepard-Commander, this isn't what it looks like!"

[Xilizhra]

"Shepard-Commander, this isn't what it looks like!"

Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

"Shepard-Commander, this isn't what it looks like!"

Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

Both sides, having experienced it, can attest to that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RatThing wrote...

I'd choose Quarians over geth any time, and if it's just for pragmatic reasons. If the war goes bad the geth'll come crawling back to the Reapers again to safe their asses, and then you'd have to fight them again.

No they won't. They know full well that the Reapers intend to exterminate them. There's nothing the Reapers will do for the Geth that is beneficial to them or indicative to their goals. 

This isn't pragmatic. This is ignorance of the Reapers and the Geth.

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

"Shepard-Commander, this isn't what it looks like!"

Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

Both sides, having experienced it, can attest to that.

Given that it's impossible to interfere with the first one, I'll do what I can to interfere with the second.

[RatThing]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RatThing wrote...

I'd choose Quarians over geth any time, and if it's just for pragmatic reasons. If the war goes bad the geth'll come crawling back to the Reapers again to safe their asses, and then you'd have to fight them again.

No they won't. They know full well that the Reapers intend to exterminate them. There's nothing the Reapers will do for the Geth that is beneficial to them or indicative to their goals. 

This isn't pragmatic. This is ignorance of the Reapers and the Geth.

Pff. they "knew" twice already and still went to the Reapers. They wouldn't have joined them in the first place if they thought so. They have no new info on the Reapers since Rannoch.

Modifié par RatThing, 19 novembre 2013 - 03:40 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

KaiserShep wrote...

These are also the same machines that ran off to the reapers (albeit to save themselves)

To save themselves from their creators that were going to kill them, with almost every other organic in the galaxy being apathetically antagonistic towards them (so they couldn't expect any kind of assistance or help), there's nothing else the Geth could do. Do you propose that they just stand still and let themselves be wiped out? I don't like what the Geth did, but I understand why they went to the Reapers. It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't option for them.

, and Allers isn't exactly off the mark when she mentions the reapers' hacking capabilities.

Despite the fact that the game and the writers to an infinitesimally poor job describing why, the game does make clear that the Geth are immune to hacking from the Reapers. I'd also say that had the Reapers truly been capable of hacking the Geth as easy as people seem to think, don't you think all of the Geth would have been hacked in ME1? Don't you think that there would not have been a choice given to the Geth by Sovereign on joining it? Don't you think the Geth would have been hacked by the Reapers instead of being offered the choice of submission during the Rannoch arc?

Frankly, even with the option to make peace, I still lean on driving the geth extinct simply because I can at least trust that the only thing that can happen to the quarians is that they get killed off or some get indoctrinated, but can't get some crazy signal boost to hijack them all at once.

That's kind of what indoctrination is. And as I just said above, this clearly isn't the case.

[Star fury]

It's interesting how the Migrant Fleet manages to get the Geth on the brink of collapse in ME3. Considering how strong are Geth both in space and ground combat. They with the help of Sovereign completely destroyed Turian and Asari fleets in the battle of Citadel. Even after the conflict with quarians they still have strongest forces in the galaxy.

Somehow quarians arming civilian ships can't explain that.

[Xilizhra]

Star fury wrote...

It's interesting how the Migrant Fleet manages to get the Geth on the brink of collapse in ME3. Considering how strong are Geth both in space and ground combat. They with the help of Sovereign completely destroyed Turian and Asari fleets in the battle of Citadel. Even after the conflict with quarians they still have strongest forces in the galaxy.

Somehow quarians arming civilian ships can't explain that.

They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RatThing wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RatThing wrote...

I'd choose Quarians over geth any time, and if it's just for pragmatic reasons. If the war goes bad the geth'll come crawling back to the Reapers again to safe their asses, and then you'd have to fight them again.

No they won't. They know full well that the Reapers intend to exterminate them. There's nothing the Reapers will do for the Geth that is beneficial to them or indicative to their goals. 

This isn't pragmatic. This is ignorance of the Reapers and the Geth.

Pff. they "knew" twice already and still went to the Reapers. They wouldn't have joined them in the first place if they thought so. They have no new info on the Reapers since Rannoch.

The first time, a small minority of Geth voluntarily joined with Saren and Sovereign. That's a blanket statement to say that since the Heretics joined Sovereign, all the Geth must support the Reapers.

The second time, the Geth were faced with a massive crisis. They could be destroyed by their creators who held a relative technological advantage over them, with no hope of help from an unsympathetic and antagonistic galaxy at large, or they could submit themselves to the Reapers in the hope of surviving. 

As I said, I don't like the fact that this happened, but I believe the Geth were forced into the situation and understand why they did what they did. If you think that it's not justifiable for the Geth to have gone to the Reapers, maybe you should consider the justification of attacking them and holding them up as boogeymen to the galaxy.

[Steelcan]

*insert my standard pro-quarian view*

*insult to geth likely involving a comparison to household appliances*

*drool over Space Morrigan*

[Star fury]

Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Star fury wrote...

It's interesting how the Migrant Fleet manages to get the Geth on the brink of collapse in ME3. Considering how strong are Geth both in space and ground combat. They with the help of Sovereign completely destroyed Turian and Asari fleets in the battle of Citadel. Even after the conflict with quarians they still have strongest forces in the galaxy.

Somehow quarians arming civilian ships can't explain that.

Forced conflict, mixed with applied phelobtinum that the Quarians have.

I wish that there was an option to avert this war entirely, keeping the Geth and the Quarians at full strength to fight the Reapers.

[Steelcan]

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.

ummmm except when they didn't, like for the krogan, or Alliance, or quarians....

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.

This actually isn't true. The best equipped yes, but I wouldn't say largest.

[CronoDragoon]

Xilizhra wrote...
Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

In this case, making the geth stupid enough to believe running to the Reapers would save them.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.

ummmm except when they didn't, like for the krogan, or Alliance, or quarians....

I'd imagine the alliance has a fairly moderate sized Navy, with a small ground-force military. We really aren't all that large of a military power. The Krogan have no Navy. The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy, but it isn't necessarily a naval fleet. 

The Turians have the large Navy, and the strong Army.

[Xilizhra]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

In this case, making the geth stupid enough to believe running to the Reapers would save them.

It did.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.

ummmm except when they didn't, like for the krogan, or Alliance, or quarians....

I'd imagine the alliance has a fairly moderate sized Navy, with a small ground-force military. We really aren't all that large of a military power. The Krogan have no Navy. The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy, but it isn't necessarily a naval fleet. 

The Turians have the large Navy, and the strong Army.

their numbers were all higher, and in the end thats all that mattered

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

In this case, making the geth stupid enough to believe running to the Reapers would save them.

It did.

About that:whistle:

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

In this case, making the geth stupid enough to believe running to the Reapers would save them.

The Geth know that this is only temporary. 

Besides, what would you have the Geth do?

[CronoDragoon]

Xilizhra wrote...
It did.

Indeed. So why does this absolve the geth, again?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.

And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.

ummmm except when they didn't, like for the krogan, or Alliance, or quarians....

I'd imagine the alliance has a fairly moderate sized Navy, with a small ground-force military. We really aren't all that large of a military power. The Krogan have no Navy. The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy, but it isn't necessarily a naval fleet. 

The Turians have the large Navy, and the strong Army.

their numbers were all higher, and in the end thats all that mattered

I don't base arbitrarily assigned numbers in the War Assets as indicative of the actual strength, size, or capability of anything. If that were the case, the Normandy is more powerful by itself than an entire alliance fleet.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?

In this case, making the geth stupid enough to believe running to the Reapers would save them.

The Geth know that this is only temporary. 

Besides, what would you have the Geth do?

They could you know leave.... Turn tail and run with their ships.  See how they like the nomadic lifestyle....  Leave geth on the ground and some ships to slow the quarians but then just flee like they made the quarians do.

Or they can just lie down and accept their fate.  Doesn't matter to me really.