MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
The Geth know that this is only temporary.
Besides, what would you have the Geth do?
CronoDragoon wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It did.
Indeed. So why does this absolve the geth, again?
Way to cut to the chase.Steelcan wrote...
*insert my standard pro-quarian view*
*insult to geth likely involving a comparison to household appliances*
*drool over Space Morrigan*
Steelcan wrote...
They could you know leave.... Turn tail and run with their ships. See how they like the nomadic lifestyle.... Leave geth on the ground and some ships to slow the quarians but then just flee like they made the quarians do.
Or they can just lie down and accept their fate. Doesn't matter to me really.
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:08 .
I'd bet that krogan are a more effective ground force than them, the quarians are better with tech, and the turians and asari can match their firepower.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
their numbers were all higher, and in the end thats all that matteredMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
ummmm except when they didn't, like for the krogan, or Alliance, or quarians....Star fury wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.
And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.
I'd imagine the alliance has a fairly moderate sized Navy, with a small ground-force military. We really aren't all that large of a military power. The Krogan have no Navy. The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy, but it isn't necessarily a naval fleet.
The Turians have the large Navy, and the strong Army.
I don't base arbitrarily assigned numbers in the War Assets as indicative of the actual strength, size, or capability of anything. If that were the case, the Normandy is more powerful by itself than an entire alliance fleet.
not my problem. Cosmic imperative and allB)CronoDragoon wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
They could you know leave.... Turn tail and run with their ships. See how they like the nomadic lifestyle.... Leave geth on the ground and some ships to slow the quarians but then just flee like they made the quarians do.
Or they can just lie down and accept their fate. Doesn't matter to me really.
To be fair to the geth, I think it's explicitly mentioned that pre-submission to the Reapers, they were trapped and were not being allowed to escape. Post-Reaper, they don't have any choice as they no longer control their actions.
Modifié par Steelcan, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:09 .
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
The second time, the Geth were faced with a massive crisis. They could be destroyed by their creators who held a relative technological advantage over them, with no hope of help from an unsympathetic and antagonistic galaxy at large, or they could submit themselves to the Reapers in the hope of surviving.
Modifié par RatThing, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:11 .
CronoDragoon wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
The Geth know that this is only temporary.
Besides, what would you have the Geth do?
That what is only temporary?
The geth are in between a rock and a hard place, no doubt, but are we really going to say self-interest justifies anything? Well, perhaps you would as you are a very practical person.
The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I'll have to remember not to choose it then.
Funny thing is, my Shepard wasn't even nice to everyone on his crew. I played him as being kind of paranoid, so he came off as hostile and defensive towards Liara. Someday, I'm going to play my EvilShep who uses the ninjamance to his advantage - tells Liara honestly that he's not interested, and when she seems to believe they're in a romance anyway, he'll just go along with it. I'll have him think Liara chased down his body to have him resurrected because he's really that good at manipulating people.
It just got worse in ME3. 
CronoDragoon wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Attempted genocide does have a way of changing one's perspective, doesn't it?
In this case, making the geth stupid enough to believe running to the Reapers would save them.
Steelcan wrote...
So who else killed the geth to placate their insatiable lust for genocide and murdering helpless synthetics?
Cause I know I did.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:20 .
Steelcan wrote...
I'd bet that krogan are a more effective ground force than them, the quarians are better with tech, and the turians and asari can match their firepower.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
their numbers were all higher, and in the end thats all that matteredMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
ummmm except when they didn't, like for the krogan, or Alliance, or quarians....Star fury wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
They blew up the geth Dyson sphere. This is why the geth want the Reaper upgrades, because their original racial dream turned out to be a doomed nightmare.
And? The Geth still had the biggest navy and amy in the galaxy. Their war assets trump any other race before the final battle.
I'd imagine the alliance has a fairly moderate sized Navy, with a small ground-force military. We really aren't all that large of a military power. The Krogan have no Navy. The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy, but it isn't necessarily a naval fleet.
The Turians have the large Navy, and the strong Army.
I don't base arbitrarily assigned numbers in the War Assets as indicative of the actual strength, size, or capability of anything. If that were the case, the Normandy is more powerful by itself than an entire alliance fleet.
Ryzaki wrote...
To be fair that's what happens when geth lose large numbers. Their intelligence comes from how many of them there are. The quarians have no one to blame but themselves.
RatThing wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
The second time, the Geth were faced with a massive crisis. They could be destroyed by their creators who held a relative technological advantage over them, with no hope of help from an unsympathetic and antagonistic galaxy at large, or they could submit themselves to the Reapers in the hope of surviving.
Exactly what I said, just in different words. The only thing I'd add is that there's no guarantee that this will not happen again with the difference that they will be threatened by the Reapers itself. So don't give me this crap about ignorance, there has been no other faction that worked more and better with the Reapers.
Better equipped perhaps, but I'd rather a ton of krogan warlords than a ton of geth. They are just man for man stronger.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It is stated that the Geth are the best equipped and most adaptable ground force in the galaxy. I disagree with the ultimate utility of the Krogan being more than zerg rush combatants. The Quarians are strong with tech, but the Geth are no pushover. The Turians, pre-war yes, and during the war, I'd still say it was an edge for the Turians. But I would not put the Asari Navy against the Geth. Look at dreadnought numbers. The Geth have nearly as many as the Turians. The Asari only have 60% of the number as the Turians. Plus, all Geth constructs have a military utility. They are capable of devoting themselves 100% to the fight 100% of the time. The only limitations for the Geth are raw resources and time.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Yes. Self-interest is all the Geth have. What would you do if all your worst enemy attacked you, while everyone else didn't care about you and antagonized you, and are too busy fighting the invaders of their town, with said invaders offering to spare you if you acted as their slave long enough to be the last ones standing until the invaders turned on you?
Kill Quarians then get killed by Reapers
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
RatThing wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
The second time, the Geth were faced with a massive crisis. They could be destroyed by their creators who held a relative technological advantage over them, with no hope of help from an unsympathetic and antagonistic galaxy at large, or they could submit themselves to the Reapers in the hope of surviving.
Exactly what I said, just in different words. The only thing I'd add is that there's no guarantee that this will not happen again with the difference that they will be threatened by the Reapers itself. So don't give me this crap about ignorance, there has been no other faction that worked more and better with the Reapers.
I don't know what the hell you' just said...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
To be fair that's what happens when geth lose large numbers. Their intelligence comes from how many of them there are. The quarians have no one to blame but themselves.
That's largely why I'm totally fine with the geth becoming individualized in ME3. I think the hive-mind turned out to be a failure, at least in this case. The Reaper code fixed some important issues with the geth while also protecting them against Reaper influence (and likely "hacking" on a larger scale).
Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:27 .
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Steelcan wrote...
So who else killed the geth to placate their insatiable lust for genocide and murdering helpless synthetics?
Cause I know I did.
Steelcan wrote...
So who else killed the geth to placate their insatiable lust for genocide and murdering helpless synthetics?
Cause I know I did.
Ryzaki wrote...
Pretty sure the only reason the Reaper was able to take over the Geth was because they allowed the Reaper to take over. And by the time they realized they didn't want this it was far too late to back out. So I doubt they could've simply been all hacked (at least blatantly the only reasons the Heretics even get close is because the normal geth trusted them enough to let them into their mainframe. They wouldn't do such with the Reapers).
But yeah the Reaper code makes that a complete non issue.
CronoDragoon wrote...
Well, considering the Reapers can "hack" organic minds with a near-100% or 100% success rate (indoctrination) I don't see why they couldn't dominate synthetic minds with equal or greater ease. The geth, after all, are just mass collections of VI.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:52 .
Ryzaki wrote...
They don't hack a organics mind instantly and because of the way the Geth operate hacking one of them means you have to hack all of them. Otherwise it's temproary because the other Geth can fix it.
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:53 .
CronoDragoon wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
They don't hack a organics mind instantly and because of the way the Geth operate hacking one of them means you have to hack all of them. Otherwise it's temproary because the other Geth can fix it.
It's certainly possible to hack an organic mind instantly, ie Anderson at the end of ME3.
As for the geth, all they'd need to do is infect the main server hub.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:54 .
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:55 .
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