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[Jebel Krong]

The Angry One wrote...

Asari are not hermaphrodites, they are biologically female.

no they are not, what they are is an asexually-reproducing monogendered alien species.

[Yojimboo]

Rogue-Element wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Rogue-Element wrote...

The thing I find weird about it is that DA:O has M/M and F/F romances but in ME2 it's suddently a problem.

Because that past never happened, and this future might someday be true!
Gosh, they might give off the vibe that homosexuality is common in times to come!

Personally, I don't really get it. Nor am I bothered with it but I can see why some people would mind. 
Or... what if the voice actors didn't want to go along with it? 

Because not everyone is so narrow-minded that they'd disapprove same sex relationships? Besides it's actually quite likely that homosexuality will be more common in the future. 

No not necessarily, homosexually was rather common in the times of Rome. Maybe homosexuality is natures answer to birth control ^^.

[The Angry One]

Yojimboo wrote...

I need to boot ME1 again, didn't play it for some time but i am damn sure they can recieve children through a chemical reaction in their brain, so basicly they concieve themselfs.

Something like that, however their biology is still 100% female.

[The Angry One]

Jebel Krong wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Asari are not hermaphrodites, they are biologically female.

no they are not, what they are is an asexually-reproducing monogendered alien species.

Who are biologically female. What part of that escapes you?
Also, asexuality is the lack of a sex drive. Which Asari clearly have. Asexual reproduction does not require a partner, Asari require partners.

[Haasth]

Rogue-Element wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Rogue-Element wrote...

The thing I find weird about it is that DA:O has M/M and F/F romances but in ME2 it's suddently a problem.

Because that past never happened, and this future might someday be true!
Gosh, they might give off the vibe that homosexuality is common in times to come!

Personally, I don't really get it. Nor am I bothered with it but I can see why some people would mind. 
Or... what if the voice actors didn't want to go along with it? 

Because not everyone is so narrow-minded that they'd disapprove same sex relationships? Besides it's actually quite likely that homosexuality will be more common in the future. 

Probably yes and that is not a bad thing. 
It's an odd move by BioWare, that's for sure. 

But who knows, ME3 might have a lot of them... 

[Arrtis]

i think monogender seems to imply is one gender...thats all they have since they do not see another asari as male or female just an asari.Other spieces with multiple genders such as male and female would view asaris as female.

am i right so far?

[Arrtis]

Also They can not reproduce alone.

They NEED a partner.

[The Angry One]

And yet the Asari use female titles and descriptions for any of their race.

"Sister" and "Matriarch" come to mind.

[Yojimboo]

BrianWilly wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

Asaris are hermaphrodites there is no female or male. The reason they have a female anatomie is because they bear children mammalian style.

You're talking about gender.  I'm talking about sex.

No one in the world thinks of the Asari as sexless.  They are all obviously women.  To try and get around the sexual implications of that with "Oh, well, see, they're monogendered so they're obviously not!" is practically comical and embarrassing to watch.  Let's talk about "monogendered" when we see a deep-voiced, flat-chested Asari with a five-o-clock shadow, and not before.

Maybe i missed the line but i am pretty damn sure Asari are a alien race, so who are we to judge the people who came up with the story for said alien race?

If the writer say that they are genderless then so be, it's their creation and their right.

ASARI are a fictional race, don't label them with human standards.

It's like saying the orcs in Warhammer 40k don't come out of fungi sprouts because that simply can't work!

[Jebel Krong]

The Angry One wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Asari are not hermaphrodites, they are biologically female.

no they are not, what they are is an asexually-reproducing monogendered alien species.

Who are biologically female. What part of that escapes you?
Also, asexuality is the lack of a sex drive. Which Asari clearly have. Asexual reproduction does not require a partner, Asari require partners.

Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis, ploidy reduction, or fertilization. Only one parent is involved in asexual reproduction. please look up the big words before confusing them... so whilst they may look female, and be capable of some kind of conventional copulation they are NOT female in biological terms.

[Darth_Trethon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Don't worry about it....ME2 only has proper heterosexual romances...as it should be. This is the single greatest improvement from ME1 to ME2. Maybe BioWare is finally learning how to make proper relationships in games now.

How is a homosexual relationship not proper?

Here's a humorous explanation

[The Angry One]

Yojimboo wrote...

Maybe i missed the line but i am pretty damn sure Asari are a alien race, so who are we to judge the people who came up with the story for said alien race?

If the writer say that they are genderless then so be, it's their creation and their right.

ASARI are a fictional race, don't label them with human standards.

It's like saying the orcs in Warhammer 40k don't come out of fungi sprouts because that simply can't work!

Except they're an alien race who look female, sound female, are biologically female and use feminine names and descriptions.
But somehow they aren't actually female! Right.

[BrianWilly]

Yojimboo wrote...

Maybe i missed the line but i am pretty
damn sure Asari are a alien race, so who are we to judge the people who came up with the story for said alien race?

If the writer say that they are genderless then so be, it's their creation and their right.

ASARI are a fictional race, don't label them with human standards.

It's like saying the orcs in Warhammer 40k don't come out of fungi sprouts because that simply can't work!

Okay.

By that standard, I expect you and everyone else to refer to Liara and all other Asari as "it" from now on, instead of "she" or "her." Failure to do so is evidence of hypocrisy.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:52 .

[The Angry One]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis, ploidy reduction, or fertilization. Only one parent is involved in asexual reproduction. please look up the big words before confusing them... so whilst they may look female, and be capable of some kind of conventional copulation they are NOT female in biological terms.

Or a partner.
Whatever whacky alien process the Asari use, they REQUIRE A PARTNER TO DO IT.
The fact remains they are biologically female except for the whacky alien process whether you like it or not.

[jsachun]

I thought they were sexless mental creatures.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Don't worry about it....ME2 only has proper heterosexual romances...as it should be. This is the single greatest improvement from ME1 to ME2. Maybe BioWare is finally learning how to make proper relationships in games now.

You say almost exactly the same thing on every same-sex thread.

Please, for the love of tequila, just shut the **** up.

[PingoBlack]

Arrtis wrote...

am i right so far?

I don't think reason has much to do with this debate ...

[Arrtis]

The Angry One wrote...

And yet the Asari use female titles and descriptions for any of their race.
"Sister" and "Matriarch" come to mind.

thats just the translator making it easier for people to understand.Humans after all view them as female.

[The Angry One]

Arrtis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

And yet the Asari use female titles and descriptions for any of their race.
"Sister" and "Matriarch" come to mind.

thats just the translator making it easier for people to understand.Humans after all view them as female.

Rubbish. When discussing what would be Liara's equivalent of a father, Liara calls her "father" for the sake of Shepard's understanding. Whatever translator is in use can clearly make the distinction.

[BrianWilly]

Arrtis wrote...
thats just the translator making it easier for people to understand.Humans after all view them as female.

Guess what we call it when a woman has sex with someone who they view as a female.  A female/female romance?  Gay?

[Jebel Krong]

The Angry One wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis, ploidy reduction, or fertilization. Only one parent is involved in asexual reproduction. please look up the big words before confusing them... so whilst they may look female, and be capable of some kind of conventional copulation they are NOT female in biological terms.

Or a partner.
Whatever whacky alien process the Asari use, they REQUIRE A PARTNER TO DO IT.
The fact remains they are biologically female except for the whacky alien process whether you like it or not.

again, no - plenty of asexually-reproducing species require or incorporate partners, or can alternate between sexual and asexual reproduction under certain circumstances.

let go - you are wrong.

[Arrtis]

BrianWilly wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
thats just the translator making it easier for people to understand.Humans after all view them as female.

Guess what we call it when a woman has sex with someone who they view as a female.  A female/female romance?  Gay?

but for the asari its just a partner
so you have a constant misunderstanding happening that they do not care for anymore.

[The Angry One]

Jebel Krong wrote...

again, no - plenty of asexually-reproducing species require or incorporate partners, or can alternate between sexual and asexual reproduction under certain circumstances.

let go - you are wrong.

Hey genius, if a species alternates between asexual and sexual reproduction then.. wait for it.. they are alternating!
If they reproduce sexually then they are reproducing sexually! The fact that they can reproduce asexually too is irrelevant.

Asari CANNOT reproduce asexually, they can never have offspring without a partner.

[SurfaceBeneath]

BrianWilly wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Casey's
comment was a hodgepodge of half information and badly worded to boot.
He basically left a loophole for anything. Which might have been
intended.

He was asked, specifically, about "female/female" romances and went specifically out of his way to clarify that, exact quote, "there were no female/female romances." There's really not a whole lot of different ways you can interpret that, and even if you did somehow, it still comes across as not having the balls to commit to what they did in ME1, and a bit offensive on top of that.

Yes, but he also said he also followed that immediately up with a statement about there being no F/F romance in ME1 which basically all but implies that Asari don't count and that Samara is standing a mighty good chance of being a Female romance option.
Then of course, he could have been interpreting the question as "exclusively" F/F romances. There might not be any exclusive F/F romances, but there might be Bi options.
Finally, Casey is not in charge of writing nor is he directly involved in the relationships. He didn't even give a clear answer on the number of romance options available for each gender.
My point being that until it's been confirmed for certain, we don't know. And we won't know until the game is released or at least the strategy guide, which is how DA:Os romances got leaked before its release.

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

Who has ever stated that the Codex couldn't contain flaws. It seems reasonable to me, that whatever character in the game wrote the Asari Codex Entry just isn't real up to date with Asari culture and is mistaken in that assuming they are all female.



Your assumption that evertying written in the Codex can't be questioned is a pretty big one.