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[SurfaceBeneath]

It's silly to discuss technicalities of Asari gender. They were designed with the intent of being the "hot blue alien chicks" of the universe. They have entirely feminine features and I would assume their situation down south is pretty analogous to a human female's. It doesn't matter what the writers say that Asari define themselves as half so much as the way they are presented.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Don't worry about it....ME2 only has proper heterosexual romances...as it should be. This is the single greatest improvement from ME1 to ME2. Maybe BioWare is finally learning how to make proper relationships in games now.

How is a homosexual relationship not proper?

Here's a humorous explanation

Here is a suggestion for you.

This is a gaming community, talking about games. If you can't understand that and live with that, simple scenario for you log off and stay out of it.

I ain't gay but I am sick of narrowminded jerks like you coming and preaching your beliefs where they don't belong.

You may violate the Terms of Service if you:making statements about sexual
orientation

I would consider your ToS violated due to the original post you made. Consider yourself reported

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:40 .

[Arrtis]

they are females to everyone but themselves...I do not believe any other race would believe that they were not female.some might be unsure though,

[The Angry One]

IIT "biology students" who don't know what hermaphrodite means.



l-o-freaking-l

[RavenholmeCP42]

The Angry One wrote...

IIT "biology students" who don't know what hermaphrodite means.

l-o-freaking-l

Something with both male and female sexual organs. You were saying?

There is no evidence that Asari have male sexual organs, because it doesn't fit with their biotic centric reproduction.

[Darth_Trethon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Here's a humorous explanation

Here is a suggestion for you.

This is a gaming community, talking about games. If you can't understand that and live with that, simple scenario for you log off and stay out of it.

I ain't gay but I am sick of narrowminded jerks like you coming and preaching your beliefs where they don't belong.

Everyone else likes to preach theirs and the self righteousness is a bit over the top. I simply add a bit of counterbalance where it is much needed.

[The Angry One]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

IIT "biology students" who don't know what hermaphrodite means.

l-o-freaking-l

Something with both male and female sexual organs. You were saying?

There is no evidence that Asari have male sexual organs, because it doesn't fit with their biotic centric reproduction.

Guess what the Asari don't have.
Guess what you were agreeing with.

And if you're even thinking that Asari reproduction is the equivalent of hermaphroditism, I have news for you: If an Asari mates with a human female and concieves a child, the human female is not a hermaphrodite. So why would the Asari "father" in a similar pairing be? It's entirely down to the "mother" partner. At no point does an Asari become "the man".

[RavenholmeCP42]

The Angry One wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

IIT "biology students" who don't know what hermaphrodite means.

l-o-freaking-l

Something with both male and female sexual organs. You were saying?

There is no evidence that Asari have male sexual organs, because it doesn't fit with their biotic centric reproduction.

Guess what the Asari don't have.
Guess what you were agreeing with.

And if you're even thinking that Asari reproduction is the equivalent of hermaphroditism, I have news for you: If an Asari mates with a human female and concieves a child, the human female is not a hermaphrodite. So why would the Asari "father" in a similar pairing be? It's entirely down to the "mother" partner. At no point does an Asari become "the man".

Go read my post again, I said they were monogendered, and avoided hermaphrodism. But that they are capable of doing both jobs, even without the, ah, equipment. So that female is still not a term that strictly applies to them - you're attempting to apply a narrow human concept to something essentially alien.

[Console Cowboy]

i haven't read the whole thread here but i get a good chuckle out of people seeing an intraspecies romance and balking at the fact that it's two women.

[Haku29]

can i ask about sth else than in subject ?

[RavenholmeCP42]

Console Cowboy wrote...

i haven't read the whole thread here but i get a good chuckle out of people seeing an intraspecies romance and balking at the fact that it's two women.

I'm fine with it, homosexual romances on either side of the fence are great when tastefully done (Zevran wasn't particularly well done, he was too much of a stereotype, whereas Leliana wasn't a bad one), but I'm just pointing out that calling the Asari "Women" isn't technically correct, and is even acknowledged in game by an Asari (Talk to Liara about it)

Modifié par RavenholmeCP42, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:47 .

[The Angry One]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Go read my post again, I said they were monogendered, and avoided hermaphrodism. But that they are capable of doing both jobs, even without the, ah, equipment. So that female is still not a term that strictly applies to them - you're attempting to apply a narrow human concept to something essentially alien.

You said they "avoided true hermaphrodism" in a post agreeing with someone who called them hermaphrodites.
Yes, they're monogendered. That means one gender. That one gender being female, and no they are NOT capable of doing "both" jobs since it's clear that the concieving partner does *everything* as evidenced by my Asari + human female example. The other partner is essentially passive.

[Haku29]

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[lokiarchetype]

The Angry One wrote...

IIT "biology students" who don't know what hermaphrodite means.

l-o-freaking-l

To be fair, there's really no good word to describe the Asari.

Asexual - Generally refers to either a) Not having sex, or  Reproducting via self replication.  Asari lack biological sex, but they don't self-clone.

Hermaphrodite - Sexually reproduce, that seems right... but each member of the species has both sets of reproductive organs.  We don't know what reproductive organs Asari have.  They might not even have female reproductive organs, we just assume they do since penetration took place, but both the anus and the cloaca aren't strictly female and they'd provide suitable orifices.  Just because the Asari have a orifice located in the pelvic region doesn't automatically make it vaginal.

Monogendered - Well to start with we're talking about biological sex, which is slightly different than gender.  For two, it's more correct to say non-gendered due to the implications of monogendered.  Since no difference exists, the dimension doesn't exist, so it doesn't make sense to reference such a dimension in describing them beyond trying to understand them from a human viewpoint.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:51 .

[The Angry One]

Given their high popularity among males in the ME universe (hello, Asari "gentlemen's clubs" Asari prostitutes consorts, etc.) if they had male parts, we'd know.

Modifié par The Angry One, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:52 .

[Arrtis]

they are in everyway a woman except when it comes down to look*skin and stuff in real life im not sure what i would call it* and how they obtain the DNA.
Those two ways may make them no longer female or a woman.
From my possibly outdated dictionary or bad
Female

1. An individual of the sex which conceives and brings forth
young, or (in a wider sense) which has an ovary and
produces ova.

Modifié par Arrtis, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:59 .

[RavenholmeCP42]

The Angry One wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Go read my post again, I said they were monogendered, and avoided hermaphrodism. But that they are capable of doing both jobs, even without the, ah, equipment. So that female is still not a term that strictly applies to them - you're attempting to apply a narrow human concept to something essentially alien.

You said they "avoided true hermaphrodism" in a post agreeing with someone who called them hermaphrodites.
Yes, they're monogendered. That means one gender. That one gender being female, and no they are NOT capable of doing "both" jobs since it's clear that the concieving partner does *everything* as evidenced by my Asari + human female example. The other partner is essentially passive.

What are you talking about? The Asari does everything, which is not something a true "female" would be capable of. As you mentioned, the other partner is "passive". I'm sorry, I must've missed the part where a female could reproduce entirely by themselves. 

"An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which -
regardless of the species or sex of the 'father' - is always an asari.
The second set is altered in a unique process called melding, also
known as the joining.
"

They are essentially female, yes, but being monogendered, I'm saying that referring to them as female is something of a fallacy as you need different genders in a race to have any place to distinguish them. The Asari are simply Asari, as they have no other gender. Yes, they exhibit female primary and sexual characteristics, but the monogenderism and peculiar reproductive strategy put them, biologically speaking, outside the normal remit of the term "female", to somewhere between "female" and "hermaphrodism". Neither term is technically correct.

Edit:
Thank you Lokiarchetype, that's what I've been trying to say. We have no true term to describe them, and female isn't technically correct. It's superficially correct, but on a wider biological scale it isn't.

Modifié par RavenholmeCP42, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:56 .

[lokiarchetype]

The Angry One wrote...

Given their high popularity among males in the ME universe (hello, Asari "gentlemen's clubs" Asari prostitues consorts, etc.) if they had male parts, we'd know.

Not true at all.  Your knowledge of biology is limited if you think that.  There are plenty of organisms that have male reproductive organs without them being visible. 
You're assuming 'male' Asari reproductive organs would be external and phallic like a human's, but that doesn't even remain true on our planet, let alone other planets.

[RavenholmeCP42]

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Given their high popularity among males in the ME universe (hello, Asari "gentlemen's clubs" Asari prostitues consorts, etc.) if they had male parts, we'd know.

Not true at all.  Your knowledge of biology is limited if you think that.  There are plenty of organisms that have male reproductive organs without them being visible. 
You're assuming 'male' Asari reproductive organs would be external and phallic like a human's, but that doesn't even remain true on our planet, let alone other planets.

Very true. Cloaca, anyone? Urogenital openings on fish?

[The Angry One]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

What are you talking about? The Asari does everything, which is not something a true "female" would be capable of. As you mentioned, the other partner is "passive". I'm sorry, I must've missed the part where a female could reproduce entirely by themselves. 

"An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which -
regardless of the species or sex of the 'father' - is always an asari.
The second set is altered in a unique process called melding, also
known as the joining.
"

They are essentially female, yes, but being monogendered, I'm saying that referring to them as female is something of a fallacy as you need different genders in a race to have any place to distinguish them. The Asari are simply Asari, as they have no other gender. Yes, they exhibit female primary and sexual characteristics, but the monogenderism and peculiar reproductive strategy put them, biologically speaking, outside the normal remit of the term "female", to somewhere between "female" and "hermaphrodism". Neither term is technically correct.

Edit:
Thank you Lokiarchetype, that's what I've been trying to say. We have no true term to describe them, and female isn't technically correct. It's superficially correct, but on a wider biological scale it isn't.

The fact remains, other than the specific psychic alien process, they are female.
I am not claiming that the process itself is specifically female. Just, well, everything else about them is. They look female, sound female, act feminine, use feminine names for themselves and worship a "goddess".
Biologically speaking their reproduction process makes no sense to begin with, so arguing it on a biological standpoint is futile.

[The Angry One]

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Given their high popularity among males in the ME universe (hello, Asari "gentlemen's clubs" Asari prostitues consorts, etc.) if they had male parts, we'd know.

Not true at all.  Your knowledge of biology is limited if you think that.  There are plenty of organisms that have male reproductive organs without them being visible. 
You're assuming 'male' Asari reproductive organs would be external and phallic like a human's, but that doesn't even remain true on our planet, let alone other planets.

I assume that based on the fact that every single other aspect of an Asari resembles a human.
Or you can explain to me why a life form with a humanoid body, human style breasts and a human equivalent female sexual organ is going to magically have a fish's male sexual organ.

[Terror_K]

Yeah... extremely disappointing, and it feels like a step backwards for BioWare, particularly after DAO (Leliana was awesome... I love her to bits).



But hey... I guess it's one was to ensure my Femshep remains loyal to Liara.

[RavenholmeCP42]

The Angry One wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

What are you talking about? The Asari does everything, which is not something a true "female" would be capable of. As you mentioned, the other partner is "passive". I'm sorry, I must've missed the part where a female could reproduce entirely by themselves. 

"An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which -
regardless of the species or sex of the 'father' - is always an asari.
The second set is altered in a unique process called melding, also
known as the joining.
"

They are essentially female, yes, but being monogendered, I'm saying that referring to them as female is something of a fallacy as you need different genders in a race to have any place to distinguish them. The Asari are simply Asari, as they have no other gender. Yes, they exhibit female primary and sexual characteristics, but the monogenderism and peculiar reproductive strategy put them, biologically speaking, outside the normal remit of the term "female", to somewhere between "female" and "hermaphrodism". Neither term is technically correct.

Edit:
Thank you Lokiarchetype, that's what I've been trying to say. We have no true term to describe them, and female isn't technically correct. It's superficially correct, but on a wider biological scale it isn't.

The fact remains, other than the specific psychic alien process, they are female.
I am not claiming that the process itself is specifically female. Just, well, everything else about them is. They look female, sound female, act feminine, use feminine names for themselves and worship a "goddess".
Biologically speaking their reproduction process makes no sense to begin with, so arguing it on a biological standpoint is futile.

Except there has to be some pseudo-biological explanation ingame, and it is to do with biotics and the like. And yes, I'm saying that they are superficially female, and regarded as such by bi-sex organisms, but the term female would only have been introduced to them by other species, as they would likely have very little frame of reference. And as mentioned, it's even in the bloody game that an Asari mentions that referring to them as female is not strictly true. Which, I'm afraid, automatically trumps you, since it's from the writers themselves in that case.

[Arrtis]

they are female

They give birth to the child=female

maybe the end?

[The Angry One]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Except there has to be some pseudo-biological explanation ingame, and it is to do with biotics and the like. And yes, I'm saying that they are superficially female, and regarded as such by bi-sex organisms, but the term female would only have been introduced to them by other species, as they would likely have very little frame of reference. And as mentioned, it's even in the bloody game that an Asari mentions that referring to them as female is not strictly true. Which, I'm afraid, automatically trumps you, since it's from the writers themselves in that case.

When an Asari claims that they are not female in the strictest sense, then uses the term mother for their biological mother while having some trouble with the term "father" for their biological father, I call bullcrap on their claim. Sorry.

Modifié par The Angry One, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:04 .