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[RavenholmeCP42]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

The Asari themselves cannot have any concept of gender. Their language shouldn't even have any gender differentiation. Any concept of gender they might have would have been adopted from other species and for the purpose of communicating with other species.

Humans do have a concept of gender and the Asari fit the general norms of femininity. Humans refer to the Asari as female because it's more convenient for them, not because it's accurate.

Yes! Exactly what I've been saying! (Though I've been getting bogged down in the biology of it, as is my wont. I'm not a zoology student for no reason )

[SnowHeart1]

OMFG... are we back on the biology of Asari... AGAIN!?!? That's it... I'm killing TWO kittens, and I'm mixing them into the pulped horsemeat.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:38 .

[paysage]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Ha! High-five Paysage, you posted a more indepth version of what I was just saying at roughly the same time.

Guess we're on the same wavelength or somethin'

[The Angry One]

Sigh. If the Asari have truly no concept of gender, they wouldn't be uncomfortable with male terms.

Liara clearly is, despite her claims.

[the_devils_aid]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Don't worry about it....ME2 only has proper heterosexual romances...as it should be. This is the single greatest improvement from ME1 to ME2. Maybe BioWare is finally learning how to make proper relationships in games now.

How is a homosexual relationship not proper?

because you cant biologically make childern? because if everyone in the world was gay society would die in a generation or so?

the only reason its tolerqated today in the real world is because we have over 6 billion people and less than 1% are homosexual. if the number jumped to 20-25% you would start to see it become even more socially shunned and perhaps even laws against it. bumb that up another 10% and most modern countries would probably out-law it. after a steady drop in population to ease tensions on resources of course.

Modifié par the_devils_aid, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[Naltair]

I agree with the biology of the situation.

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

Sigh. If the Asari have truly no concept of gender, they wouldn't be uncomfortable with male terms.
Liara clearly is, despite her claims.

Define uncomfortable?  I am not really following this statement.

[RavenholmeCP42]

The Angry One wrote...

Sigh. If the Asari have truly no concept of gender, they wouldn't be uncomfortable with male terms.
Liara clearly is, despite her claims.

Liara is young, and as said, people associate them most with females, so clearly that's the terms they're going to be most comfortable with. Simple psychology.

[SnowHeart1]

the_devils_aid wrote...

because you cant biologically make childern? because if everyone in the world was gay society would die in a generation or so?

the only reason its tolerqated today in the real world is because we have over 6 billion people and less than 1% are homosexual. if the number jumped to 20-25% you would start to see it become even more socially shunned and perhaps even laws against it. bumb that up another 10% and most modern countries would probably out-law it. after a steady drop in population to ease tensions on resources of course.

Wow.  Way to be ignorant of history and make completely speculative and baseless arguments.  You get a cookie for sheer brass.

[Naltair]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sigh. If the Asari have truly no concept of gender, they wouldn't be uncomfortable with male terms.
Liara clearly is, despite her claims.

Liara is young, and as said, people associate them most with females, so clearly that's the terms they're going to be most comfortable with. Simple psychology.

Liara isn't exactly socially capable either, to be honest she is a rather stranger personality.  She is, at the start of ME1, a fringe pseudo-scientist championing a very strange theory with little or no support.  She goes off on digs on dangerous worlds by herself for months or maybe years at a time and has very little actual contact with people.  I am surprised she isn't more awkward than she is.

[RavenholmeCP42]

Naltair wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sigh. If the Asari have truly no concept of gender, they wouldn't be uncomfortable with male terms.
Liara clearly is, despite her claims.

Liara is young, and as said, people associate them most with females, so clearly that's the terms they're going to be most comfortable with. Simple psychology.

Liara isn't exactly socially capable either, to be honest she is a rather stranger personality.  She is, at the start of ME1, a fringe pseudo-scientist championing a very strange theory with little or no support.  She goes off on digs on dangerous worlds by herself for months or maybe years at a time and has very little actual contact with people.  I am surprised she isn't more awkward than she is.

You just described a significant portion of academics the world over

[Naltair]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...
You just described a significant portion of academics the world over

My girlfriend provided me with much of my inspiration for that post.

[Yojimboo]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

the_devils_aid wrote...

because you cant biologically make childern? because if everyone in the world was gay society would die in a generation or so?

the only reason its tolerqated today in the real world is because we have over 6 billion people and less than 1% are homosexual. if the number jumped to 20-25% you would start to see it become even more socially shunned and perhaps even laws against it. bumb that up another 10% and most modern countries would probably out-law it. after a steady drop in population to ease tensions on resources of course.

Wow.  Way to be ignorant of history and make completely speculative and baseless arguments.  You get a cookie for sheer brass.

Well he may be brass but the actual message holds truth.

We can't sustain ourselves with a high % of homosexuells (the chance that they conceive children is lower), especially the highly industrialzed nations.

If you look at the current birth rates in some of the G8 country's this makes it even more appearent. Germany's birth rate for example, is completly stagnating.

Don't misunderstand, i have nothing against homosexuells but not seeing the consequences is even more ignorant ;P.

[Houkka]

Angry One, your argument that asari are female, when an asari in the game specifically says they aren't, is ignorant. It's like arguing that

Spoiler

Darth Vader isn't Luke's father.

I'm sorry, but you really don't have a say in the fact of this matter. Whatever the writer wrote, he wrote! It's as simple as that.



That AND I believe the explanations by the poeple with knowledge of biology were pretty damn plausible. It should be common sense that if there's only one sex, there's no point in describing its differences with the other one. BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER ONE!

[The Angry One]

False analogy, your comparison would be more like Darth Vader saying "Hey, I'm not technically a guy in a big black suit."

[Yojimboo]

The Angry One wrote...

False analogy, your comparison would be more like Darth Vader saying "Hey, I'm not technically a guy in a big black suit."

Are you a woman? You are so damn stubborn.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Yojimboo wrote...

SnowHeart1 wrote...

the_devils_aid wrote...

because you cant biologically make childern? because if everyone in the world was gay society would die in a generation or so?

the only reason its tolerqated today in the real world is because we have over 6 billion people and less than 1% are homosexual. if the number jumped to 20-25% you would start to see it become even more socially shunned and perhaps even laws against it. bumb that up another 10% and most modern countries would probably out-law it. after a steady drop in population to ease tensions on resources of course.

Wow.  Way to be ignorant of history and make completely speculative and baseless arguments.  You get a cookie for sheer brass.

Well he may be brass but the actual message holds truth.

We can't sustain ourselves with a high % of homosexuells (the chance that they conceive children is lower), especially the highly industrialzed nations.

If you look at the current birth rates in some of the G8 country's this makes it even more appearent. Germany's birth rate for example, is completly stagnating.

Don't misunderstand, i have nothing against homosexuells but not seeing the consequences is even more ignorant ;P.

As completely baseless as the fundamental core of your argument here is, you do understand that Earth can not actually sustain a much greatly human population than it has currently right? Without advances in the bioengineering of plants and the advancement of agriculture, there is literally not enough land in the world to feed everyone. A stagnating population is not necessarily a bad thing when your population is stressed for resources.

I don't know why that part of your post stood out to me or even why I bothered to post a response to begin with since you're just trolling (nobody that said what you or devil just did could actually be smart enough to know how to breath) but yea...

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:02 .

[The Angry One]

Yojimboo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

False analogy, your comparison would be more like Darth Vader saying "Hey, I'm not technically a guy in a big black suit."

Are you a woman? You are so damn stubborn.

Look at the sexism I have to deal with! Cause men are never stubborn right?

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

False analogy, your comparison would be more like Darth Vader saying "Hey, I'm not technically a guy in a big black suit."

Are you a woman? You are so damn stubborn.

Look at the sexism I have to deal with! Cause men are never stubborn right?

People are stubborn, sex has nothing to do with it.

No one likes being wrong.

[SnowHeart1]

Yojimboo wrote...
Well he may be brass but the actual message holds truth.

We can't sustain ourselves with a high % of homosexuells (the chance that they conceive children is lower), especially the highly industrialzed nations.

If you look at the current birth rates in some of the G8 country's this makes it even more appearent. Germany's birth rate for example, is completly stagnating.

Don't misunderstand, i have nothing against homosexuells but not seeing the consequences is even more ignorant ;P.

I don't disagree that the first part is absolutely true from a biological standpoint.  As a social argument (he was trying to make an argument about criminalization), however, it's also completely pointless.  I wouldn't take seriously anyone who suggests gays and lesbians are superior and/or that everyone should be gay/lesbian.  The fact that as a species we couldn't reproduce if everyone was gay, however, is completely irrelevant and a total straw man.  That has nothing to do with whether it is "natural", nor does it have any rationale relationship to criminalization.  The concept of homosexuality as an orientation has only existed relatively recently, but the act has existed for as long as we've had recorded history and it occurs in species other than humans.  A person may not approve of it, and it may not result in offspring, but that doesn't mean it isn't naturally occuring and, thereby, "natural".  (I can't believe I'm actually getting sucked into this... I gave this up ten years ago when I graduated from college.)

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:33 .

[RavenholmeCP42]

The Angry One wrote...

False analogy, your comparison would be more like Darth Vader saying "Hey, I'm not technically a guy in a big black suit."

A Vampire Bat and a Vesper Bat look the same, doesn't mean they are. Now, is that an analogy that makes you feel better.

I'm sorry TAO, but you're simply wrong. It's even written in the game, that despite appearances, the Asari are not technically female. They couldn't be, as it doesn't biologically work. They are alien, which means you can't apply a human concept to them, though we do it anyway because it makes us comfortable.

Modifié par RavenholmeCP42, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:07 .

[Yojimboo]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

SnowHeart1 wrote...

the_devils_aid wrote...

because you cant biologically make childern? because if everyone in the world was gay society would die in a generation or so?

the only reason its tolerqated today in the real world is because we have over 6 billion people and less than 1% are homosexual. if the number jumped to 20-25% you would start to see it become even more socially shunned and perhaps even laws against it. bumb that up another 10% and most modern countries would probably out-law it. after a steady drop in population to ease tensions on resources of course.

Wow.  Way to be ignorant of history and make completely speculative and baseless arguments.  You get a cookie for sheer brass.

Well he may be brass but the actual message holds truth.

We can't sustain ourselves with a high % of homosexuells (the chance that they conceive children is lower), especially the highly industrialzed nations.

If you look at the current birth rates in some of the G8 country's this makes it even more appearent. Germany's birth rate for example, is completly stagnating.

Don't misunderstand, i have nothing against homosexuells but not seeing the consequences is even more ignorant ;P.

As completely baseless as the fundamental core of your argument here is, you do understand that Earth can not actually sustain a much greatly human population than it has currently right? Without advances in the bioengineering of plants and the advancement of agriculture, there is literally not enough land in the world to feed everyone. A stagnating population is not necessarily a bad thing when your population is stressed for resources.

I don't know why that part of your post stood out to me or even why I bothered to post a response to begin with since you're just trolling (nobody that said what you just did could actually be smart enough to know how to breath) but yea...

Overpopulation has nothing to do with my statement, those are 2 different problems. Did you even try to understand my statement? To make it very simple, a industrial country needs

1) Worker and 2) Consumer

If those 2 stagnate, we have problems.

I am well aware of overpopulation but that fact dosn't hold true to any of the G8 states.

[Yojimboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

False analogy, your comparison would be more like Darth Vader saying "Hey, I'm not technically a guy in a big black suit."

Are you a woman? You are so damn stubborn.

Look at the sexism I have to deal with! Cause men are never stubborn right?

Oh we are but most woman want to be right even if they are wrong. Yes, call me biased.

[Staylost]

There were no F/F romances in ME1.



A species with only one sexual categorization does not have male and female designations by definition.



That is basic biology.

[Mudzr]

Personally I believe that Casey only intended to reveal two of each romances for each gender, so Miranda, SuZe, Jacob and Thane are confirmed.

The "There is no lesbian option like ME1" comment may have been a hint since we all know there was and therefore there could be a lesbian option in ME2 but if he confirmed it there and then, then that would have narrowed down the final female romance option more than he would have liked.