Off to save the world... again.
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#26
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 04:19
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Well, you could have something like off-duty hours when you are not saving the world
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#27
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 04:22
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If Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 didn't have the negativity against the writers of the games, there might have been a chance of trying something different. Since both games had such a negative spotlight thrust upon them BioWare going back to familiar territory, where the majority of conversation has been saying those were the superior games.
#28
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 04:23
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I think there's a practical difficulty in creating a plot that makes sense for a wide variety of potential PCs that isn't some sort of save the world plot. Most other options have a risk that the character just wouldn't be interested in the plot.
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#29
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 04:24
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Reaverwind wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
What can I say? I like stories of personal ascension. Which is why I also like DA2's story. It had little to do with saving the world and everything with gaining a place and a reputation of power in your new home city (sometimes I really wonder why people didn't like it, the unsatisfying ending notwithstanding).
Hawke was little more than an errand boy throughout the story, that's why.
Dragon Age 2 didn't suffer for not being about saving the world. It suffered for Hawke never having any control over his/her own life. Despite this being a "rise to power"-type story.
As for DAI, we still don't know much about the story or the Inquisition's role in the game
#30
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 05:56
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If the game ain't about saving the world, then we ain't playing the game! And it isn't a gather forces for the win thing, it's different. In video games, we are always the hero. Always.
#31
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:08
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Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes. Literally. May be not stricly fantasy alone rather than fantasy and sf, since I don't categorize that clearly, but yes, thousands. I've had a few decades to do it, so it's not such a big thing.David7204 wrote...
'Thousands'?
You remind me of my mother.
She had thousands of books stacked in her living room, dining room, bedroom etc that she read over the years. We had to practically beg her to get rid of the ones she didn't even read again and we made a library for the ones she still loves to read. A lot of used bookstores stocked their shelves with her books. She still reads like crazy but now we just make sure to send them off before her library fills up.
#32
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:10
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iakus wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
What can I say? I like stories of personal ascension. Which is why I also like DA2's story. It had little to do with saving the world and everything with gaining a place and a reputation of power in your new home city (sometimes I really wonder why people didn't like it, the unsatisfying ending notwithstanding).
Hawke was little more than an errand boy throughout the story, that's why.
Dragon Age 2 didn't suffer for not being about saving the world. It suffered for Hawke never having any control over his/her own life. Despite this being a "rise to power"-type story.
As for DAI, we still don't know much about the story or the Inquisition's role in the game
So true, it's not fun playing a helpless character who never changes anything.
#33
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:26
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Almost all main plots of games are similar to a point. It's how you get from the beginning to the end that is important. As for should you buy it? You have to buy it, just like any other person that has 'severe' doubts. If they don't buy it they can't complain about it later.
#34
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:30
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I have no objections. But what I really like about BioWare is their lore and settings. I find them rather interesting and fun to dabble in.
I should also mention how much I like the execution in Baldur's Gate, DA:O, Kotor and ME1 as you were going around trying to find answers.
I should also mention how much I like the execution in Baldur's Gate, DA:O, Kotor and ME1 as you were going around trying to find answers.
#35
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:31
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“It's not what a movie game is about, it's how it is about it.”
#36
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:40
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Saving the world is what works. Simple as that.
#37
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:51
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I'd rather it be a grand quest to make an epic sandwich tbh.
#38
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:55
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There is nothing new under the sun. I'm of the opinion that it's not the story concept, but how you tell the story of the journey, the people you get to meet and interact with along the way, and the opportunities to shape the world and your character that matter.
#39
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:59
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I'm still waiting for an RPG that draws inspiration from the events of the "A Song of Ice and Fire" saga or, as most recognize it, Game of Thrones. Yes, there is a "save the world" theme tucked away in the frozen expanse of the north, but the majority of the content focuses on the politics and power struggles of the great houses and nobles of Westeros.
I think it would be pretty damn cool to play as an ambassador and liaison for one of the nobles vying for power, sort of how Davos is a champion for Stannis's cause in the books.
I think it would be pretty damn cool to play as an ambassador and liaison for one of the nobles vying for power, sort of how Davos is a champion for Stannis's cause in the books.
#40
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 06:59
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I estimate that there are 5,000 books in my house. Probably 40% of them are fantasy novels.David7204 wrote...
'Thousands'?
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Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:06
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I was one of the few people who actually really enjoyed their approach to DA2. It was a story on smaller scale, and you could tell by the time the final mission started that there was no way that the storylines could be neatly wrapped up with everyone getting their slice of happiness.
I can tell Bioware is having a bit of trouble coming up with new entries into conflict, however. They couldn't bring back the darkspawn, so they had to focus on the next biggest issue, magic. The introduction of another issue, the Qunari, wasn't as interesting to me. So what they have now is basically two different main problems that were beaten to death in DA:2 after being introduced in DA: O, that people are already fatigued by. I think it would've been interesting if there was some sort of civil war, or some sort of invasion, like the one hinted at when meeting with the king in DA2. Since we're going *back* to the Templars/Mages, which was covered extensively in DA: O and was the main focus in DA:2, and since it's an issue that I don't find myself interested in, I feel like I'm not too excited for this plot.
I sort of went off on a tangent, eh? At any rate, I feel their execution of bigger plots is done fairly well when it's contained in one game (the Mass Effect series had some continuity issues) and I've never had a problem with their smaller scale plots (such as DA2 and ME2.)
It's also difficult for them to not introduce team members without recruiting them for whatever reason. People in this fanbase expect to learn the characters as the game progresses. We can't really do that if a lot of the companions are long time friends or colleagues of the protagonist. The only real way to do that is to either have the characters progress with the protagonist or to have the protagonist learn more about his friends than he did before, which wouldn't necessairly be a bad approach, but it is more difficult to do than the route that they typically go for. Overall, they would have to have a good sense of when to deliver exposition.
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It is my hope that somebody of our generation can break out of the postmodernist mold and create something truly unique and original. It didn't stop the authors of the past, why should it today?
I can tell Bioware is having a bit of trouble coming up with new entries into conflict, however. They couldn't bring back the darkspawn, so they had to focus on the next biggest issue, magic. The introduction of another issue, the Qunari, wasn't as interesting to me. So what they have now is basically two different main problems that were beaten to death in DA:2 after being introduced in DA: O, that people are already fatigued by. I think it would've been interesting if there was some sort of civil war, or some sort of invasion, like the one hinted at when meeting with the king in DA2. Since we're going *back* to the Templars/Mages, which was covered extensively in DA: O and was the main focus in DA:2, and since it's an issue that I don't find myself interested in, I feel like I'm not too excited for this plot.
I sort of went off on a tangent, eh? At any rate, I feel their execution of bigger plots is done fairly well when it's contained in one game (the Mass Effect series had some continuity issues) and I've never had a problem with their smaller scale plots (such as DA2 and ME2.)
It's also difficult for them to not introduce team members without recruiting them for whatever reason. People in this fanbase expect to learn the characters as the game progresses. We can't really do that if a lot of the companions are long time friends or colleagues of the protagonist. The only real way to do that is to either have the characters progress with the protagonist or to have the protagonist learn more about his friends than he did before, which wouldn't necessairly be a bad approach, but it is more difficult to do than the route that they typically go for. Overall, they would have to have a good sense of when to deliver exposition.
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Nefla wrote...
There is nothing new under the sun. I'm of the opinion that it's not the story concept, but how you tell the story of the journey, the people you get to meet and interact with along the way, and the opportunities to shape the world and your character that matter.
It is my hope that somebody of our generation can break out of the postmodernist mold and create something truly unique and original. It didn't stop the authors of the past, why should it today?
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#42
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:07
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Dang. That beats my measly 2,000 novels.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I estimate that there are 5,000 books in my house. Probably 40% of them are fantasy novels.David7204 wrote...
'Thousands'?
#43
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:10
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eluvianix wrote...
Dang. That beats my measly 2,000 novels.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I estimate that there are 5,000 books in my house. Probably 40% of them are fantasy novels.David7204 wrote...
'Thousands'?
I own close to 1300 books, though it's varied in the genre.
#44
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:11
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Yes, it does look like they're going for the more typical "save the world, gather allies/resources" story again.
I don't really mind, but I do hope they try their hand with a more personal story again soon. A blend of Baldur's gate, Kotor and Torment perhaps. I'm a sucker for good amnesiac storylines. You wake up, don't know who you are or where you are and someone is out to get you
I don't really mind, but I do hope they try their hand with a more personal story again soon. A blend of Baldur's gate, Kotor and Torment perhaps. I'm a sucker for good amnesiac storylines. You wake up, don't know who you are or where you are and someone is out to get you
#45
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:11
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Mine are mostly all fantasy or scifi.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Dang. That beats my measly 2,000 novels.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I estimate that there are 5,000 books in my house. Probably 40% of them are fantasy novels.David7204 wrote...
'Thousands'?
I own close to 1300 books, though it's varied in the genre.
#46
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:11
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The whole "gather an army" formula is getting pretty old. I've already expressed this concern, but that was a long time ago before the first trailer even came out.
Anyway, I thought the plot was going to continuously evolve, have some build up, and all that.
Instead it's
"Hey I need your help with this *insert bad guy* "
to which they say
"Oh sorry, I have my own problems right now. Perhaps you could help me. And by help, I mean do it for me" - repeat 5 times.
Then you put a little twist in the end so it doesn't look too "formulaic". Like how you failed to save "everybody", or "you missed a spot now everybody's doomed".
With that being said, I really liked DA2 campaign (except Act 1) because it was "one problem after another" not "all problems on the table, pick which one you want to do first"
Anyway, I thought the plot was going to continuously evolve, have some build up, and all that.
Instead it's
"Hey I need your help with this *insert bad guy* "
to which they say
"Oh sorry, I have my own problems right now. Perhaps you could help me. And by help, I mean do it for me" - repeat 5 times.
Then you put a little twist in the end so it doesn't look too "formulaic". Like how you failed to save "everybody", or "you missed a spot now everybody's doomed".
With that being said, I really liked DA2 campaign (except Act 1) because it was "one problem after another" not "all problems on the table, pick which one you want to do first"
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Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:22
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Wulfram wrote...
I think it's fair to say that the broad strokes plot does seem like a pretty standard fantasy type thing. But that's just broad strokes. And you're kind of over-extrapolating some of details, I think.
Indeed. At face value, most stories are about the hero saving the day anyway. DA:O's plot was far more involved and political than just 'beating up the bad guys.' So was LOTR's and Narnia's.
#48
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:36
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They tried a story not about saving the world in DA2
They know how that was received...
They know how that was received...
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#49
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 07:51
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You are not "gathering allies", as I've sad previously. Nor is it all about mages and templars. There is, however, a pretty epic threat.
If that makes it the exact same as every other plot we've ever done, or any other fantasy plot, then I'd first be surprised you already know so much about DAI's plot... and then I'd realize you're simply making assumptions. Because of course we'll make sure our approach is as generic and dull as possible.
Though, no matter what, I'm sure you can reduce the plot until it starts to look like every other story with a major conflict. Absolutely.
If that makes it the exact same as every other plot we've ever done, or any other fantasy plot, then I'd first be surprised you already know so much about DAI's plot... and then I'd realize you're simply making assumptions. Because of course we'll make sure our approach is as generic and dull as possible.
Though, no matter what, I'm sure you can reduce the plot until it starts to look like every other story with a major conflict. Absolutely.
