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[David7204]

I don't personally claim or think that. It's just my impression from the general fanbase.

[TeamLexana]

David7204 wrote...

I don't personally claim or think that. It's just my impression from the general fanbase.

That's cool, I can respect that. I was just giving my opinion on the matter. 

[MrMrPendragon]

DooomCookie wrote...

The most important thing is that there is an ending. Some games now have massive story arcs that they just continuously extend to keep churning out games. Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil are by far the biggest culprits, but Mass Effect started to feel like this as well. DA:I should have a solid, satisfying ending and DA4 (if there is one) should tell a different story.

Agreed.

Although not calling it "Dragon Age 3" sort of made me think of this. Because if they did call it "Dragon Age 3", then it sounds "final" - because "3" is usually where endings go(trilogy), whereas "Dragon Age:Inquisition" sounds a bit more in the lines of "the next chapter" kind of feel, giving more room for future installments.

But I'm sure whatever Bioware has planned for the ending will be great. I'm guessing it's "trial and error" sort of thing.

[victorbarry]

@Foopydoopydoo
is spanish.

[TeamLexana]

durasteel wrote...


I didn't mind that. Hawke had some objectives, Varric suggested a path to reach them, and Hawke agreed and then followed the path on his or her own initiative. In acts 2 and 3, however, any problem directly related to Hawke was a side quest, other than Leandra's abduction (which was really a 'mandatory' side quest.) The main plot, and the big finale, were Hawke getting cought up in someone else's mess/incompetence/lunacy and having to clean it up and fix it.

It's still the best act for sure, I just wish Hawke's story was more proactive as a whole.

[MrMrPendragon]

Oh and one more thing.

Whatever the plot is, or whichever formula it decides to use, I'm hoping that it really gives off that "urgency, danger, and conspiracy/mystery" vibe.

[Medhia Nox]

Well - there's that "other" universal plot famously used in The Sims.

Bioware's next game will require to you make a living, keep up your personal attributes and get to the bathroom on time.

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I think Wulfram made a very astute observation.

When the threat is not broad in spectrum - it is hard to realistically interest thousands/millions of players.

Even the Mage/Templar conflict (which is not the main plot of DA) wouldn't interest some people if it WERE the main plot.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 21 novembre 2013 - 10:26 .

[Plaintiff]

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

[Dave of Canada]

Plaintiff wrote...

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

It wasn't "mercilessly reamed" because the plot strayed away from saving the world.

[Plaintiff]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

It wasn't "mercilessly reamed" because the plot strayed away from saving the world.

It's absolutely a major contributing factor, I can't count the number of threads I encountered that complained about precisely that.

[Medhia Nox]

I had no problem with DA 2 not being about saving the world.

Being a victim might be the opposite of "saving the world" - but I'd rather try for the middle, and Hawke was a victim of circumstances he was too stupid to control.

That might be "real world realness" for some people - but that's not my life, and I'll never play another game I find to be so self-depricating again. 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 21 novembre 2013 - 10:39 .

[MrMrPendragon]

Plaintiff wrote...

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

I kinda like DA2's change of pace. And I don't think it was crucified because of that.

I liked DA2. If you get past the "it's the same thing over and over", it's actually quite good.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I had no problem with DA 2 not being about saving the world.

Being a victim might be the opposite of "saving the world" - but I'd rather try for the middle, and Hawke was a victim of circumstances he was too stupid to control.

That might be "real world realness" for some people - but that's not my life, and I'll never play another game I find to be so self-depricating again. 

In what sense?

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: You must side with Anders for the game to be anything but completely out of your control. Those are my major gripes. Watching an NPC be the main character.

- You cannot simply reveal his clinic to the Templars.
- You cannot reveal the Mage Underground to the Templars.
- You cannot stop his very obvious terrorist attempt.

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Then there is one side quest in particular that threw me into a mad rage.

The reason, however, is because I had believed I actually had caused the event.

That is the death of Hawke's mother.

I thought that my encouragement had sent her into the arms of a serial killer - one I was inept at catching despite painfully obviously clues.

When I found her - I thought it was one of the most amazing events, because my good intentions had doomed her.

When I found out it was a railroaded story arc for the feels... I loathed it with a passion.

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It was Anders that makes me despise that game.

It is the worst video game experience I have ever had - that is not hyperbole. My experience of it did not extend much beyond a month after playing - but when I think of it, I do not endorse it.

[Br3admax]

Less about Hawke's stupidity, and more to do with their inclination to attract disaster and failure.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: You must side with Anders for the game to be anything but completely out of your control. Those are my major gripes. Watching an NPC be the main character.

- You cannot simply reveal his clinic to the Templars.
- You cannot reveal the Mage Underground to the Templars.
- You cannot stop his very obvious terrorist attempt.

----

Then there is one side quest in particular that threw me into a mad rage.

The reason, however, is because I had believed I actually had caused the event.

That is the death of Hawke's mother.

I thought that my encouragement had sent her into the arms of a serial killer - one I was inept at catching despite painfully obviously clues.

When I found her - I thought it was one of the most amazing events, because my good intentions had doomed her.

When I found out it was a railroaded story arc for the feels... I loathed it with a passion.

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It was Anders that makes me despise that game.

It is the worst video game experience I have ever had - that is not hyperbole. My experience of it did not extend much beyond a month after playing - but when I think of it, I do not endorse it.

That is all fine. But in what way did that make Hawke stupid or foolish?

[Heimdall]

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: You must side with Anders for the game to be anything but completely out of your control. Those are my major gripes. Watching an NPC be the main character.

- You cannot simply reveal his clinic to the Templars.
- You cannot reveal the Mage Underground to the Templars.
- You cannot stop his very obvious terrorist attempt.

----

Then there is one side quest in particular that threw me into a mad rage.

The reason, however, is because I had believed I actually had caused the event.

That is the death of Hawke's mother.

I thought that my encouragement had sent her into the arms of a serial killer - one I was inept at catching despite painfully obviously clues.

When I found her - I thought it was one of the most amazing events, because my good intentions had doomed her.

When I found out it was a railroaded story arc for the feels... I loathed it with a passion.

===

It was Anders that makes me despise that game.

It is the worst video game experience I have ever had - that is not hyperbole. My experience of it did not extend much beyond a month after playing - but when I think of it, I do not endorse it.

That is all fine. But in what way did that make Hawke stupid or foolish?

Not getting the "painfully obvious clues" I would imagine.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: The fact that his life spirals out of control - is why I find the character to be insanely inept/stupid.

I did discover that I don't like playing a victim - so there's that I suppose.

I'm really not trying to turn this into an argument about Hawke though - cause there lies madness.

[Ianamus]

Cliche and common as it, off to save the world is a vastly more engaging premise than off to loiter around Kirkwall and always will be.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: The fact that his life spirals out of control - is why I find the character to be insanely inept/stupid.

I did discover that I don't like playing a victim - so there's that I suppose.

I'm really not trying to turn this into an argument about Hawke though - cause there lies madness.

Meh. Different strokes, different folks. (insert shrug emoticon)

And we should indeed not let this devolve any further.

[Hellion Rex]

I honestly look at DAII as pure plot progression. It sets up major plot points for DAI, and in that sense I enjoyed it. Sure, it wasn't about saving the world, but at the same time, it was interesting to step back from that "epic" goal.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

It wasn't "mercilessly reamed" because the plot strayed away from saving the world.

Indeed, certainly wasn't why I found it lacking.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

'Thousands'?

I estimate that there are 5,000 books in my house.  Probably 40% of them are fantasy novels.

Dang. That beats my measly 2,000 novels.

You gotta love those people who think that it's not possible for a person to read thousands of books.  I can typically read about three books per week, which for my age, even allowing for dead spells and such, comes to over four thousand books over my lifetime.  Only have a couple hundred or so in my personal library, though.

[Silfren]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

It wasn't "mercilessly reamed" because the plot strayed away from saving the world.

Indeed, certainly wasn't why I found it lacking.

Perhaps that wasn't the core reason, but a number of people DID complain about DA2 not being a classic hero-saves-the-world story a la Origins. 

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What were you expecting? DA2 tried to change things up and got mercilessly reamed for it.

It wasn't "mercilessly reamed" because the plot strayed away from saving the world.

Indeed, certainly wasn't why I found it lacking.

Perhaps that wasn't the core reason, but a number of people DID complain about DA2 not being a classic hero-saves-the-world story a la Origins. 

A number of people complain about everything no matter what happens. Silent Majority>Vocal Minority