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Once and for all, explaining why shepard wasnt burned completely when he/she falled into the planet


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Erez Kristal

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 i been hearing quite a lot on shepard should be have been burned into crisp after the collectors attack. and i hate to explain why that assertion is false everytime. i decided to explain planet rentry and why shepard wasnt burned to dust. 


When a small ­meteor enters the Earth's atmosphere, it goes from traveling through a vacuum to traveling through air. Traveling through a vacuum is effortless -- it takes no energy. Traveling through air is another story.A meteor moving through the vacuum of space typically travels at speeds reaching tens of thousands of miles per hour. When the meteor hits the atmosphere, the air in front of it compresses[/b] incredibly quickly. When a gas is compressed, its temperature rises. This causes the meteor to heat up so much that it glows. The air burns the meteor until there is nothing left. Re-entry temperatures can reach as high as 3,000 degrees F (1,650 degrees C)!Obviously, it would not be good for a spacecraft to burn up when it re-enters the atmosphere! Two technologies are used to allow spacecraft to re-enter:

Shepard was traveling at a much lower speed. shepard was propelled to the planet only by the power of the explosion on the normandy. since shepard survived we know that the speed shepard was propelled did not reach more than thousand miles per hour. much lower than the speed of a small metteor which is burned on entry to the planet.

shepard was wearing a modern body armor with the following capabilities.

If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection, reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil away or ablate rather than burning the wearer.The last level of protection is provided by the suit's microframe computers, whose input detectors are woven throughout the fabric. These manage the self-healing system, which finds rents in the fabric and, assuming any such tear would wound the flesh underneath, seals the area off with sterile, non-conductive medi-gel. This stanches minor wounds and plugs holes in the suit that could prove fatal in vacuum or toxic environments. Soldiers are not always fond of the "squish skin" that oozes gel on them at a moment's notice, but fatalities have dropped sharply since the system was implemented.

the armor is similar to what space ships use: [color=rgb(51, 51, 51)">In ] technology, the surface of the heat shield melts and vaporizes, and in the process, it carries away heat. This is the technology that protected the [/color]Apollo spacecraft.

since shepard was traveling and a relative low speed the low heat that would have been generated would have caused the outer layer to boil away.

The leaks which have caused air to run away would have been sealed by the time shepard entered the atmosphere to prevent the entry of the dangerous gasses on the planet.

And finally. terminal velocity( the same kind of speed which relates directly to planet reentry) would have limit the speed of impact on the planet to something that would leave shepard body salvageable.

As to how project lazerus managed to return shepard memories to a dead person. i would leave that to technology and 2185-6. i hope this helps. 



Edit : it is also important to note that the armors of mass effect can change the mass of the user to improve ressistance against biotics attacks. which also help with entering the athosphere by lowering the user mass.

Modifié par erezike, 21 novembre 2013 - 09:33 .


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SwobyJ

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Headstory:

-Shepard was on the Citadel
-Citadel blows up
-Shepard is inside the Citadel, in some way, when it blows up (my headcanon is that the Crucible chamber itself isn't at all real though...lol)
-Giant piece of Citadel crashes towards Earth
-Shepard is shielded by that as it crashes down. It's not like he was alone and burning up.
-His cybernetic components are probably damaged, but he's not a hunk of meat

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He's talking about Alchera, ME2, not ME3.

As to ME3, in the EC the Citadel is not destroyed. So the breath scene we see could be Shepard on the Citadel.

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cap and gown wrote...

He's talking about Alchera, ME2, not ME3.

As to ME3, in the EC the Citadel is not destroyed. So the breath scene we see could be Shepard on the Citadel.


My apologies. I didn't really read the OP, clearly. :P

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SwobyJ wrote...

Headstory:

-Shepard was on the Citadel
-Citadel blows up
-Shepard is inside the Citadel, in some way, when it blows up (my headcanon is that the Crucible chamber itself isn't at all real though...lol)
-Giant piece of Citadel crashes towards Earth
-Shepard is shielded by that as it crashes down. It's not like he was alone and burning up.
-His cybernetic components are probably damaged, but he's not a hunk of meat


It seems simpler to just have the mass effect fields of the Citadel remain intact than to have a chunk of the station fall to earth.

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SwobyJ

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KaiserShep wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Headstory:

-Shepard was on the Citadel
-Citadel blows up
-Shepard is inside the Citadel, in some way, when it blows up (my headcanon is that the Crucible chamber itself isn't at all real though...lol)
-Giant piece of Citadel crashes towards Earth
-Shepard is shielded by that as it crashes down. It's not like he was alone and burning up.
-His cybernetic components are probably damaged, but he's not a hunk of meat


It seems simpler to just have the mass effect fields of the Citadel remain intact than to have a chunk of the station fall to earth.


By chunk I mean most of it, so same thing. But I got off topic.

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My headcanon is that Shepard equipped an armor upgrade the day the Normandy blew up and that was somehow still active as he was gliding down towards the planet, thus saving him.

But the official story supported by Jacob and ME3 at least vaguely is that Shepard was obliterated to pieces being "meat and tubes" Somehow Cerberus could restore his... oh wait... he was brain dead.

Kaidan ME3: How was it? What was it like, being... you know? (refering to shepard being braindead)
*facepalm*

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Dumb explanation: Shep didn't fall to the planet, and instead went into orbit.

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dreamgazer

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Relevant blog post: Shepard's Atmospheric Entry 2.0

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dreamgazer wrote...

Relevant blog post: Shepard's Atmospheric Entry 2.0


So Shep doesn't burn up, he just leaves a crater lined with red goo :D

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iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Relevant blog post: Shepard's Atmospheric Entry 2.0


So Shep doesn't burn up, he just leaves a crater lined with red goo :D


I love stuff like this which is desgined to prove David wrong. :lol:

Modifié par Daemul, 21 novembre 2013 - 10:16 .


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ok. if shepard didnt burn up on re-entry, then his lungs would have exploded when exposed to space. when he hit the ground his remains would have been spread over such a large area that it would have been difficult to recognise anything about him.

unless shepard never left the planet in the first place.......

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dorktainian wrote...

ok. if shepard didnt burn up on re-entry, then his lungs would have exploded when exposed to space. when he hit the ground his remains would have been spread over such a large area that it would have been difficult to recognise anything about him.

unless shepard never left the planet in the first place.......


Shepard is a clone confirmed. 

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dorktainian wrote...

ok. if shepard didnt burn up on re-entry, then his lungs would have exploded when exposed to space.


*cough*

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Does it matter?
Miranda Lawson was heading Project Lazarus. Shepard may have turned into plasma for all she cared, she'd still put her/him back together just the way he/she was.

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AlexMBrennan

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Traveling through a vacuum is effortless -- it takes no energy

Strictly speaking that's not true.

When the meteor hits the atmosphere, the air in front of it compresses[/b] incredibly quickly. When a gas is compressed, its temperature rises. This causes the meteor to heat up so much that it glows. The air burns the meteor until there is nothing left.

Have you heard of friction?

Shepard was traveling at a much lower speed. shepard was propelled to the planet only by the power of the explosion on the normandy

That would require the Normandy to be stationary relative to the planet, which you cannot possibly know and is extremely unlikely given that Joker was trying to dodge and/or outrun an enemy spaceship just before.

the armor is similar to what space ships use: [color=rgb(51, 51, 51)">In ] technology, the surface of the heat shield melts and vaporizes, and in the process, it carries away heat. This is the technology that protected the [/color]Apollo spacecraft.

The heat shield for the Apollo spacecraft has been specifically designed for it's purpose, and extremely minor damage can result in catastrophic failure.

But OK, you can explain that away with "magic advanced space materials"

The leaks which have caused air to run away would have been sealed by the time shepard entered the atmosphere to prevent the entry of the dangerous gasses on the planet.

If the suit could just re-seal itself then why did Shepard suffocate again? Plus, the comics make it quite clear that Shepard's armour was not intact when they recovered it so that simply didn't happen.

: it is also important to note that the armors of mass effect can change the mass of the user to improve ressistance against biotics attacks. which also help with entering the athosphere by lowering the user mass.

Now that is a much smarter approach: reduce Shepard's mass to zero, and use navigation thrusters to put him in a stable orbit until he can be recovered - and I don't think that it would be inconceivable for space marine special forces to have some sort of space parachute equivalent.
Only problem is that the comic books show that this didn't happen... too bad I guess

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 21 novembre 2013 - 11:32 .


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Rasofe

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Comic books are hardly that relevant. Mass Effect is a game.

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iOnlySignIn

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Math is always relevant.

http://social.biowar.../index/17378170

TL;DR: 250 kmph terminal velocity

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 22 novembre 2013 - 12:51 .


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AlexMBrennan

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Comic books are hardly that relevant. Mass Effect is a game.

So all the canonical information introduced in comics, novels and such is suddenly not canon because it's inconvenient for you. Brilliant.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

That would require the Normandy to be stationary relative to the planet, which you cannot possibly know and is extremely unlikely given that Joker was trying to dodge and/or outrun an enemy spaceship just before.


Unlikely? Sure. Your point? Other unlikely things have happened in the games.

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As I've said elsewhere, Bioware took Clarke's Third Law and instead of using it with a dab here and there hooked a fire hose up to a fire hydrant that pumped Clarke's Third Law, and sprayed it liberally all over the Mass Effect Universe. This case being one of them. It probably would have been better for them to say "Shepard's body was found orbiting Alchera and was picked up by blah blah blah blah blah...." Shepard essentially would have been in a desiccated state, and frozen, hence freeze dried. Bringing back to live via space magic would have at least been a bit more believable. But from a pulverized mess whose brain somehow survived impact? How did they do this?

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Impossible that he didn't get burned up.

If you want something more believable just have Shep suffocate and float away into the void or toward the collector ship or something.

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i think they explained that the me2 shepards fall on the icy planet that the planet had a very light atmosphere different from earth.

in the me3 ending shepard was teleported back to earth by catalyst.

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AlexMBrennan

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Unlikely? Sure. Your point?

I would prefer an explanation that doesn't rely on extremely unlikely coincidences.

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If you've got one, feel free to post it. Otherwise, it's canon that Normandy was at rest relative to Alchera. IOW, Shepard got lucky.