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[SgtSteel91]

I guess if I sided with the Templars, I'd feel super bad becasue they are technically being executed because of Anders. I'd try to convince Meredith to stop it the entire time if only because this Annulment was called on shoody reasons.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:45 .

[Laughing_Man]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Bethany is the only sane mage in the entire game so that doesn't surprise me at all

I can think about quite a few sane and well meaning mages in DA2, and those are only from the few we met.
(like Malcolm Hawke's friend, or the naive french guy who wanted to find "love"...) You just have to want to look.
Killing entire crouds is never justice, it's a war crime.

[SgtSteel91]

What I'd give if you could give Anders to the Templars and avoid the whole mess like you give Isabella to the Arishok or Fenris to his slave master...

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[Laughing_Man]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

What I'd give if you could give Anders to the Templars like you give Fenris to his slave master...

Meredith is not interested in Anders, she wants a blood-bath. Anders was simply the excuse.

[SgtSteel91]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Meredith is not interested in Anders, she wants a blood-bath. Anders was simply the excuse.

I know 

Let a man dream

[KoShiatar]

TheRedVipress wrote...


I don't really care about those explanations, I know what I saw in game.
Saying "it was a mistake" is simply a bad joke. You don't like something you previously inserted into the story? Work around it. Find a way to contain and include it within tour story.
Meh. Whatever.

You need to keep in mind that a series of games like this, with its own books, comics and various other tie-ins, requires a LOT of work, that can last years. Also, there is not a single writer at work on the series, but several, and often things that were extablished at the beginnig are changed in the course of work - example: Alistair was initially supposed to be much older. 
Even with constant quality control mistakes can happen and consistency be broken. There are several examples of this -  like dates being messed up in The Calling. It's just a human thing and we need to be a bit flexible about this.

[KainD]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

What I'd give if you could give Anders to the Templars and avoid the whole mess like you give Isabella to the Arishok or Fenris to his slave master...

Anders and Merrill to the Templars!
Isabela to the Arishok!
Fenris to Denarius!
Aveline to Thugs!
Varric to Cassandra! 
Bethany to the Circle!
Carver to the Templars!

And Hawke to.. 

[SgtSteel91]

KainD wrote...

Anders and Merrill to the Templars!
Isabela to the Arishok!
Fenris to Denarius!
Aveline to Donnic!
Varric to Cassandra! 
Bethany to the Circle!
Carver to the Templars!

And Hawke to.. 

The Inquisition

Sequel Hook! 

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[KainD]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

KainD wrote...

Anders and Merrill to the Templars!
Isabela to the Arishok!
Fenris to Denarius!
Aveline to Thugs!
Varric to Cassandra! 
Bethany to the Circle!
Carver to the Templars!

And Hawke to.. 

The Inquisition

Sequel Hook! 

Ah, Yeah! 

[wolfhowwl]

KainD wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

What I'd
give if you could give Anders to the Templars and avoid the whole mess
like you give Isabella to the Arishok or Fenris to his slave
master...

Anders and Merrill to the Templars!
Isabela to the Arishok!
Fenris to Denarius!
Aveline to Thugs!
Varric to Cassandra! 
Bethany to the Circle!
Carver to the Templars!

And Hawke to.. 

There should have been an option to hand Merrill over to the clan after the Keeper's death (when I played DA2 I was fully expecting the option to appear). 

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:09 .

[SgtSteel91]

So it's:

Anders to the Templars!
Merrill to the Dalish!
Isabela to the Arishok!
Fenris to Denarius!
Aveline to Donnic!
Varric to Cassandra!
Bethany to the Circle!
Carver to the Grey Wardens!
Hawke to the Inquisition!

[Cassandra Saturn]

smh.. look, in those games, HERE are always characters that will be evil and bad. even those who are pleading on you to make a decision. DEAL WITH IT.

[Ravensword]

Do people want mustache-twirling villains?

[AresKeith]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

smh.. look, in those games, HERE are always characters that will be evil and bad. even those who are pleading on you to make a decision. DEAL WITH IT.

Which isn't the problem they're talking about

[KainD]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Of course. But copping out with a lame possession or corruption angle to make them evil (often for vague reasons like Orsino) is what I call bad writing.

You don't understand, there is no pleasing you ( not only YOU in particular, but many people that have this same point ).
It's either:
1) Lame corruption.
2) Lame psychopath.
3) Lame, because antagonist views can be related to, thus making the antagonist NOT an antagonist.

[Ravensword]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Do people want mustache-twirling villains?

Yes. Because they are more palatable.

Bond villains are better villains. They work IRL too; case in point: Vladimir Putin.

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Of course. But copping out with a lame possession or corruption angle to make them evil (often for vague reasons like Orsino) is what I call bad writing.

You don't understand, there is no pleasing you ( not only YOU in particular, but many people that have this same point ).
It's either:
1) Lame corruption.
2) Lame psychopath.
3) Lame, because antagonist views can be related to, thus making the antagonist NOT an antagonist.

And either of those can actually work If they're done right which so far it hasn't in a Bioware game

[74 Wrex]

Meredith was a freakin crazy idiot and Orsino is an absolute hypocrite
The whole logic about the conflict was stupid, if they wanted Someone to pay It should be Anders not The Circle
Those two did not know what they were fighting about
l hope the antagonist in DA lnquistion is not as crazy as Meredith

Modifié par 74 Wrex, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:29 .

[KainD]

AresKeith wrote...

And either of those can actually work If they're done right which so far it hasn't in a Bioware game

What is done right? 

[Ravensword]

74 Wrex wrote...

Meredith was a freakin crazy idiot and Orsino is an absolute hypocrite
The whole logic about the conflict was stupid, if they wanted Someone to pay It should be Anders not The Circle
Those two did not know what they were fighting about
l hope the antagonist in DA lnquistion is not as crazy as Meredith

The viscount shouldn't have closed down the city mental institution all those years ago.

[wolfhowwl]

KainD wrote...
3) Lame, because antagonist views can be related to, thus making the antagonist NOT an antagonist.

He or she is still the antagonist by virtue of being in opposition to the player character.

[SgtSteel91]

Ravensword wrote...

The viscount shouldn't have closed down the city mental institution all those years ago.

Thanks Obama Viscount <_<