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[David7204]

Ieldra2 wrote...

They substituted placeholder characters with less dialogue in case the originals were dead. Worked rather well, and it would've worked just as well had Miranda's story centered around the things in her story that were screaming for attention rather than - again - her sister. 

What things are those?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

They substituted placeholder characters with less dialogue in case the originals were dead. Worked rather well, and it would've worked just as well had Miranda's story centered around the things in her story that were screaming for attention rather than - again - her sister. 

What things are those?

Why answer, you're just going to disparage and refute it because you think you know everything and that you know better than everyone else.

[Clayless]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Thank you.

I still don't understand why people say this. He's referred to as the Catalyst, but in reality he takes a similar role to Vendetta (suggesting that he may have not been a squadmate, mearly on the ship) and the Catalyst is still there in the leaked script.

Probably the biggest difference is the Cerberus coup mission and Thessia (which has like 5 different versions in the leaked script alone), the rest have very minimal changes or are almost exactly the same.

Same reason some are still touting "LOLDARKENERGY" as a better plot.

Greener grass.

I dunno. You hear a lot of "Remove the Catalyst" stuff around here, and the Catalyst is still in the leaked script. Heck even the endings are almost exactly the same.

[dreamgazer]

Ieldra2 wrote...

They substituted placeholder characters with less dialogue in case the originals were dead. Worked rather well, and it would've worked just as well had Miranda's story centered around the things in her story that were screaming for attention rather than - again - her sister. 

A) The presence of placeholders made the real deal feel, at the very least, mildly disposable. "Rather well" is very debatable.

They might have felt more comfortable giving Miranda heftier duties had she been given full plot armor instead of partial in ME2. She could've been an interesting alternate for EDI at Cronos, though, in either instance. 

[David7204]

That's not plot armor.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

That's not plot armor.

TVTropes says so, sir.

[David7204]

I wrote that entry. It refers to Miranda surviving after being abducted by the Collector swarms.

[Ravensword]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's not plot armor.

TVTropes says so, sir.

Just give it a few minutes.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I wrote that entry. It refers to Miranda surviving after being abducted by the Collector swarms.

Oh, gee, you wrote this entry. That totally explains how it's true! 

[David7204]

I never used it as a source or even mentioned TV Tropes at all. Dreamgazer did. I have no control over who or what he cites.

Modifié par David7204, 23 novembre 2013 - 10:07 .

[Mr.House]

EntropicAngel wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wrote that entry. It refers to Miranda surviving after being abducted by the Collector swarms.

Seriously David, what the frack.

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you yourself are making up your source?

Sadly David is not making that up. Miranda indeed survives that where if that happens to anyone else they die.

[AlexMBrennan]

EntropicAngel wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wrote that entry. It refers to Miranda surviving after being abducted by the Collector swarms.

Seriously David, what the frack.

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you yourself are making up your source?

It's probably a deep commentary on the reliability of your sources.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

knucks360 wrote...

I see another thread about to get locked...

It's predictable.

[Ravensword]

knucks360 wrote...

I see another thread about to get locked...

How very perceptive of you.

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wrote that entry. It refers to Miranda surviving after being abducted by the Collector swarms.

Seriously David, what the frack.

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you yourself are making up your source?

Sadly David is not making that up. Miranda indeed survives that where if that happens to anyone else they die.

That really doesn't change anything. 

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

I never used it as a source or even mentioned TV Tropes at all. Dreamgazer did. I have no control over who or what he cites.

(laughs)

You should never take my citing of TVTropes as an objective source seriously.

[Hjklop]

and now onto the Liara/Miranda arguments....

does this happen to every thread now?

[David7204]

EntropicAngel apparently does.

[AlanC9]

dreamgazer wrote...

A) The presence of placeholders made the real deal feel, at the very least, mildly disposable. "Rather well" is very debatable.

They might have felt more comfortable giving Miranda heftier duties had she been given full plot armor instead of partial in ME2. She could've been an interesting alternate for EDI at Cronos, though, in either instance. 

Full plot armor? Well, yeah... by definition making characters unkillable gets around the problems caused by having important characters who might or might not have been killed.

[Ieldra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

They substituted placeholder characters with less dialogue in case the originals were dead. Worked rather well, and it would've worked just as well had Miranda's story centered around the things in her story that were screaming for attention rather than - again - her sister. 

What do you feel would have worked better?

That's not a challenge, I'm genuinely curious.

You mean for Miranda's story arc in ME3? Make spying out Cerberus installations her primary motivation and Oriana's involvement accidental. Above all, let her go with Shepard to Cronos Station, she'd have been invaluable there, and end her story arc in the central chamber, where her involvement with Shepard's story began at the start of ME2, and end it there with reflecting on what Cerberus could've been and what it became. Something like this (this is the romance version, there would be a non-romance one as well):

Shepard and Miranda are exploring the Illusive Man's base. All defenders have been killed. In a large room at the center - or top - of the station, covered by a large transparent dome through which the sky can be seen, they find the Illusive Man's old chair, surrounded by the u-shaped holodesk controlling Cerberus' computer network. They proceed to hack it to get at the data within. Miranda has picked up a datapad, apparently lost in thought.

Shepard: What have you found?
Miranda: The old Cerberus manifesto.
Miranda (in a choking voice): Damn it.
Shepard: What is it?
Miranda: I told you I joined Cerberus to protect my sister. This....is why I stayed with them.
Shepard: I've never read it.
Miranda: I was...captured by a dream. To illuminate the dark places, to search out the knowledge out there to benefit humanity. That's what I could get behind, a proper use for my genetic enhancements.
Miranda: And if we had to compete with other species - well, I've always liked a challenge.
Miranda (thoughtful): Was it ever *his* dream? Or was I duped right from the start?
Shepard: I don't know. Perhaps we'll never know. But I do know that you don't need to justify your enhancements.
Miranda (smiles): I know, now. And you had a part in making me believe it.
Miranda (more thoughtfully): But am I naive that I still want this? That I want to continue what he betrayed?
Shepard: Don't you think there's some knowledge better left alone?
Miranda: No. Not even in the face of....all this. What have you been fighting for after all? Wasn't it the knowledge we need to survive?
Shepard: And for you.
Miranda (exasperated smile): Don't be absurd. You'd have done fine without me.
Shepard: Duty and obligation are dry masters. I don't know if I could've done all this without knowing you were out there, somewhere. Didn't even matter if I was never to see you again. Just knowing was enough.
Miranda: You're a hopeless romantic, Commander.
Shepard (grins): Someone has to be, Ms. Lawson.
*they kiss*
*some time later*
Shepard: So...what would you do with all this?
Miranda: You know what's infuriating? That everything we....they...ever achieved could've been done without all this horror.
Miranda (looks around): I'll copy everything we find here. I don't know what I'll do with it, but I won't let it go to waste.

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