'Blame'? Is fans debating characters indicative of some sort of fault?StreetMagic wrote...
Blame Bioware ultimately. The fans didn't write this stuff.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:16
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:18
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David7204 wrote...
'Blame'? Is fans debating characters indicative of some sort of fault?StreetMagic wrote...
Blame Bioware ultimately. The fans didn't write this stuff.
It doesn't seem like much of a debate. Just more rifts in the fanbase.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:19
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You mean for Miranda's story arc in ME3? Make spying out Cerberus installations her primary motivation and Oriana's involvement accidental. Above all, let her go with Shepard to Cronos Station, she'd have been invaluable there, and end her story arc in the central chamber, where her involvement with Shepard's story began at the start of ME2, and end it there with reflecting on what Cerberus could've been and what it became. Something like this (this is the romance version, there would be a non-romance one as well):.Shepard and Miranda are exploring the Illusive Man's base. All defenders have been killed. In a large room at the center - or top - of the station, covered by a large transparent dome through which the sky can be seen, they find the Illusive Man's old chair, surrounded by the u-shaped holodesk controlling Cerberus' computer network. They proceed to hack it to get at the data within. Miranda has picked up a datapad, apparently lost in thought.
Shepard: What have you found?
Miranda: The old Cerberus manifesto.
Miranda (in a choking voice): Damn it.
Shepard: What is it?
Miranda: I told you I joined Cerberus to protect my sister. This....is why I stayed with them.
Shepard: I've never read it.
Miranda: I was...captured by a dream. To illuminate the dark places, to search out the knowledge out there to benefit humanity. That's what I could get behind, a proper use for my genetic enhancements.
Miranda: And if we had to compete with other species - well, I've always liked a challenge.
Miranda (thoughtful): Was it ever *his* dream? Or was I duped right from the start?
Shepard: I don't know. Perhaps we'll never know. But I do know that you don't need to justify your enhancements.
Miranda (smiles): I know, now. And you had a part in making me believe it.
Miranda (more thoughtfully): But am I naive that I still want this? That I want to continue what he betrayed?
Shepard: Don't you think there's some knowledge better left alone?
Miranda: No. Not even in the face of....all this. What have you been fighting for after all? Wasn't it the knowledge we need to survive?
Shepard: And for you.
Miranda (exasperated smile): Don't be absurd. You'd have done fine without me.
Shepard: Duty and obligation are dry masters. I don't know if I could've done all this without knowing you were out there, somewhere. Didn't even matter if I was never to see you again. Just knowing was enough.
Miranda: You're a hopeless romantic, Commander.
Shepard (grins): Someone has to be, Ms. Lawson.
*they kiss*
*some time later*
Shepard: So...what would you do with all this?
Miranda: You know what's infuriating? That everything we....they...ever achieved could've been done without all this horror.
Miranda (looks around): I'll copy everything we find here. I don't know what I'll do with it, but I won't let it go to waste.
So focusing on her Cerberus connection? Okay. Just wondering.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:21
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Don't like it one bit. I would scrap the whole thing.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:21
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I don't know about anything else, but unloyal Miranda being able to successfully lead the second fire team without dying was definitely plot armour. Which is also the only kind of armour Miranda is willing to wear in a combat situation, apparently.
Presumably the plot armor is there to get around potentially having no biotics left for The Long Walk.
Edit: oh, wait -- you mean the other fire team during the Long Walk section, right.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:22
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David7204 wrote...
Don't like it one bit. I would scrap the whole thing.
Well good for you. Others clearly don't feel the same.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:23
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Cthulhu42 wrote...
I don't know about anything else, but unloyal Miranda being able to successfully lead the second fire team without dying was definitely plot armour. Which is also the only kind of armour Miranda is willing to wear in a combat situation, apparently.
Well, you obviously don't appreciate characterization.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:23
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That's the wonderful thing about power. It doesn't require agreement.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:26
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...power? Who was talking about power?
...are you trying to imply that you have power? That's all I'm hearing.
...are you trying to imply that you have power? That's all I'm hearing.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:26
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Of course. But we're getting sidetracked.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:27
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David7204 wrote...
Of course.
Power where? Here? Or on TVTropes, you mean?
Who are you?
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:27
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EntropicAngel wrote...
...power? Who was talking about power?
...are you trying to imply that you have power? That's all I'm hearing.
Of course he does.
Didn't you see how easily he can edit TVTropes articles?
#139
Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:29
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StreetMagic wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Of course.
Power where? Here? Or on TVTropes, you mean?
Who are you?
Street, you of all people should know the heroic messiah.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:29
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Ravensword wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Of course.
Power where? Here? Or on TVTropes, you mean?
Who are you?
Street, you of all people should know the heroic messiah.
His mommy must be proud. I guess.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:30
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StreetMagic wrote...
Ravensword wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Of course.
Power where? Here? Or on TVTropes, you mean?
Who are you?
Street, you of all people should know the heroic messiah.
His mommy must be proud. I guess.
Virgin birth, my friend. Virgin birth.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:31
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The idea's lame. Miranda getting choked up over Cerberus. Joining for her sister. Guilt complex nonsense. Talk about silly characterization, put this on a pedestal.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:31
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David7204 wrote...
Of course. But we're getting sidetracked.
Tell us, David. What is your power over Bioware and their Miranda plot?
Or simply, what is your power? I'm curious, because everything you've said about yourself does not imply power at all.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 10:33
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Really? What have I said about myself that has implied that?
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:15
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Really? What have I said about myself that has implied that?
I didn't say what you said implied anything. Rather, I said it DIDN'T imply power.
Things like teaching video games to kids, for example.
#148
Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:18
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Um... to get back on topic.
The script changes may or may not have a major impact on the overall plot, but does anyone feel like the tone would have been much different with these changes?
The script changes may or may not have a major impact on the overall plot, but does anyone feel like the tone would have been much different with these changes?
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:19
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I think it goes without saying that the original script proves that they really were going to blow us the **** away and exceed our expectations. Though unfortunately EA screwed them over which in turn ultimately hurt us all. If only the had another 6 months.
To sum up. Current ME3 is Frankenstein's monster compared to a perfectly living being in ME3's original vision.
To sum up. Current ME3 is Frankenstein's monster compared to a perfectly living being in ME3's original vision.
#150
Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:21
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OniTYME wrote...
I think it goes without saying that the original script proves that they really were going to blow us the **** away and exceed our expectations. Though unfortunately EA screwed them over which in turn ultimately hurt us all. If only the had another 6 months.
To sum up. Current ME3 is Frankenstein's monster compared to a perfectly living being in ME3's original vision.
Six more months and a competent writing team sans CHud and SuperMac.
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