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[TheWerdna]

KaiserShep wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

this again! isn't this the script that made reapers into heroes. where organics cause dark matter acceleration causing the destruction of the galaxy?

Yeah, I loathe the dark energy plot, but the stuff on this list seems to be independent of it. It could still be the synthetic conflict (or a variation of it) and there wouldn't necessarily be any meaningful difference to these things.

Actually, the endings we got were in the leaked script, but what was in there was very vague. At the time everyone kinda assumed the details would be filled in, and that the choices given would make more sense in context... when infact they were basically just as vague and with as few answers as the handful of lines in the script.

[maaaad365]

OMG, we lost so much ! I love that script much better than what we got.

[oQUETZALCOATLo]

maaaad365 wrote...

OMG, we lost so much ! I love that script much better than what we got.

someone finally has the common sense to just realize that and stop arguing about dark energy and such thank you that's all I really wanted from posting this thread. Instead I got debates, but at least one person gets it

[ImaginaryMatter]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...
No, Shepard would yell "ENOUGH!" and shove his hands in to seperate you and David and it would be in autodialogue. /lamelol

I'd love to see him try.

Shepard wouldn't have enough heroism?

[maaaad365]

oQUETZALCOATLo wrote...

maaaad365 wrote...

OMG, we lost so much ! I love that script much better than what we got.

someone finally has the common sense to just realize that and stop arguing about dark energy and such thank you that's all I really wanted from posting this thread. Instead I got debates, but at least one person gets it

Thank you for the appreciation, I just pointed out that the sky is blue or that water is wet.  ME3 felt like a rushed game to me, now after reading the leaked script ( i googled it ) I see a lot of cool, well developed scenes that were discarded.  It's a shame that the script was leaked and they had to change the game.

The dark energy plot is just a distraction from the real issues with ME3.

[Han Shot First]

dreamgazer wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

Current ME3 is Frankenstein's monster compared to a perfectly living being in ME3's original vision.

Sounds like the original was a flawed, make-it-work monster in itself.  

The folks saying the "original" version was far superior truly are guilty of the grass-is-greener mentality.

The truly baffling thing about the whole mess is that the ending of the trilogy wasn't worked out back in 2006. They should have had a rough outline of how it would all play out before the first game was even shipped. Make it up as you go never really works with any work of fiction that spans multiple titles.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Han Shot First wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

Current ME3 is Frankenstein's monster compared to a perfectly living being in ME3's original vision.

Sounds like the original was a flawed, make-it-work monster in itself.  

The folks saying the "original" version was far superior truly are guilty of the grass-is-greener mentality.

The truly baffling thing about the whole mess is that the ending of the trilogy wasn't worked out back in 2006. They should have had a rough outline of how it would all play out before the first game was even shipped. Make it up as you go never really works with any work of fiction that spans multiple titles.

I think (think being the operative word) it could have worked, emphasis on the 'could' . ME1 had enough open ended plot points that could have been used to make a solid plot for ME2 and then for ME3. Unfortunately the writers didn't capitalize on this, for whatever reason. Breaking Bad wasn't planned out in advance, instead the writers went back and carefully looked at every bit of story development in past seasons in order to create a new plot that wasn't completely contrived.

[SNascimento]

StreetMagic wrote...

spirosz wrote...

What's written and what can be executed in terms of budget and time management in relation to developing a game are two very, very different things that most of you seem to forget.

We don't forget it. But the pressure they had to meet are unrealistic for this type of game in the first place. The first Mass Effect took 4 years. This only got 2 and it's twice the size. DAO got a whopping 7 years (although I think it went through many iterations and genre ideas). It can be blamed on EA specifically, not the reality of "game development" in general. EA has been accused of overworking employees before. I doubt this was any different.

And ME1 still felt rushed. ME2 on the other hand took less time and was extremely well put together. 

The point is I don't believe there is a time for a game to be done, sometimes a developer need more time, sometimes it can do good thing faster. What seems clear is that ME3 did need much more time and/or resources. 

[NeonFlux117]

The original script was 10 times, no, no. 20 times better than what we got.

But..... It probably wasn't "artistic" enough or not "high level stuff" enough. So it got scraped.

Shame. Cause if they'd kept the original narrative and script, ME3 would quite possibly go down as the best game in the series and one of the greatest games ever made.

But..... BioFail. They just can't help but embrace the suck. DA2, SWOTOR, ME3... Are we seeing a pattern here???

But I'm so sure DA3 will be great tho. So super sure about that one. So serious about that. Super, super serious. So cereal. Super cereal. Cause they won't herpaderp FOUR time IN A ROW will they?? They won't put out back to back to back to back stinkers right?? Right?

Right.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:44 .

[David7204]

Han Shot First wrote...

The truly baffling thing about the whole mess is that the ending of the trilogy wasn't worked out back in 2006. They should have had a rough outline of how it would all play out before the first game was even shipped. Make it up as you go never really works with any work of fiction that spans multiple titles.

That is completely untrue.

For a solid, recent example, every season of Breaking Bad except the second was written on the fly, with the writers having no idea how the individual season would end when they started, much less the entire show.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:59 .

[txgoldrush]

Its funny, you really want that script that people were tearing apart the moment it was leaked.

And no, the current script is better....it s less wild. Their original ideas were all over the place.

[txgoldrush]

David7204 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The truly baffling thing about the whole mess is that the ending of the trilogy wasn't worked out back in 2006. They should have had a rough outline of how it would all play out before the first game was even shipped. Make it up as you go never really works with any work of fiction that spans multiple titles.

That is completely untrue.

For a solid, recent example, every season of Breaking Bad except the second was written on the fly, with the writers having no idea how the individual season would end when they started, much less the entire show.

This, and notice how the Meta Critic rating went up after every season.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 24 novembre 2013 - 11:28 .

[Ieldra]

I don't understand some people here. The endings in the newest of the leaked scripts where basically the same as in the published version, with only a few of the more nonsensical phrasings not yet present, so that's no reason to say it's 10 times better.

As for the other things, stuff always gets cut around the end of the development process. You can be sure that the developers would agree that ME3 would've been better had those things not been cut, but that's the reality of video game development. I only have a problem with Javik. He provides critical perspective on the organic/synthetic theme and to cut him damaged the integrity of the story.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...
No, Shepard would yell "ENOUGH!" and shove his hands in to seperate you and David and it would be in autodialogue. /lamelol

I'd love to see him try.

Shepard wouldn't have enough heroism?

Not in a hundred million years.

[Br3admax]

txgoldrush wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The truly baffling thing about the whole mess is that the ending of the trilogy wasn't worked out back in 2006. They should have had a rough outline of how it would all play out before the first game was even shipped. Make it up as you go never really works with any work of fiction that spans multiple titles.

That is completely untrue.

For a solid, recent example, every season of Breaking Bad except the second was written on the fly, with the writers having no idea how the individual season would end when they started, much less the entire show.

This, and notice how the Meta Critic rating went up after every season.

Now what are the differences between Breaking Bad, a TV show, and Mass Effect, a video game? 

[Arcian]

oQUETZALCOATLo wrote...

 Okay, for those of you who didn't know, Mass Effect 3 originally took a whole different turn when it came to the story. Back in November 2012 the original script to the game was leaked. I have read what I think is all of it, and want to know what you think about its story, and post any parts of it you know about.
Here's what I know
Kai Leng was supposed to be a badass and put up a well designed fight that would actually require some effort
Ashley/Kaiden trusts you even less, and they have teamed up with the second human spectre, who you kill when they want to kill Javik(He was originally part of the actual game not DLC) 
Ashley/Kaiden would team up with Kai Leng thinking he was an alliance offical and try to fight you
you can talk them down or kill them
while running to the temple on Thessia (a mission that was supposed to take place at night) you could actually defeat Kai Leng, but if you lost you would get metal lodged in your back as the temple falls apart and have Virmire 2.0 where you had to save either Ashley/Kaiden or Liara (I would obviously pick Ashley in a second)
Javik is the Catalyst
Javik interacts with the prothean beacon there is no VI
You can kill Victus' son 
Taking back Omega wasn't DLC and Zaeed was involved
Leviathan wasn't DLC
There was a fourth option when it came to the geth situation where you could upload a virus to all geth and place them under Quarian control
the endings actually mattered
all characters had bigger conversations, interactions, relationship moments, and romances
The Virmire survivor actually had a roll in the story

And the rest I forget, but please feel free to post any knowledge of the original script and give you opinion on it. Do you think the bigger Mass Effect 3 that would have attempted to be the best in the series would have been stupid or unbelieveably amazing and it frustrates you to know that it didn't go as planned?

No, the endings we got were identical to the endings in the leak, only the Catalyst was called the Guardian then, Synthesis literally fused organic and synthetic minds with the Reapers and every option whack-a-moled the Relays and resulted in a galactic dark age that would last 10,000 years (even with the Reapers around, however that makes sense).

The grandpa and the kid are the first humans or human-descendants in those 10,000 years to live in a civilization with spacefaring capabilities. Liquid rockets, not eezo cores, for the record.

[hot_heart]

[quote]txgoldrush wrote...

[quote]David7204 wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...

The truly baffling thing about the whole mess is that the ending of the trilogy wasn't worked out back in 2006. They should have had a rough outline of how it would all play out before the first game was even shipped. Make it up as you go never really works with any work of fiction that spans multiple titles. [/quote]

That is completely untrue.

For a solid, recent example, every season of Breaking Bad except the second was written on the fly, with the writers having no idea how the individual season would end when they started, much less the entire show.

[/quote]

This, and notice how the Meta Critic rating went up after every season.[/quote]
[/quote]
I'd find that easier to believe if the second question from any TV executive weren't along the lines of "Where are we getting the five seasons?" and that the show is filled with both subtle forms of foreshadowing and brick-to-the-face-subtle film references. The individual pieces may not have been there, but the overall plan always was.

[Xamufam]

Modifié par Troxa, 28 novembre 2013 - 12:44 .

[David7204]

hot_heart wrote...

I'd find that easier to believe if the second question from any TV executive weren't along the lines of "Where are we getting the five seasons?" and that the show is filled with both subtle forms of foreshadowing and brick-to-the-face-subtle film references. The individual pieces may not have been there, but the overall plan always was.

It wasn't. And I can prove it.

http://www.emmytvleg...vince-gilligan#

Of course, it's about four hours long. You might want to take my word for it.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 01:56 .

[Zazzerka]

David7204 wrote...

It wasn't. http://emmytvlegends...ince-gilligan#' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>And I can prove it.

Of course, it's about four hours long. You might want to take my word for it.

I'm a flipping idiot.

[hot_heart]

Your link doesn't appear to work, but I'm assuming it is the writers themselves telling you as much. Again, I'm hesitant to believe the show was produced that way. Whether or not an episode-by-episode plan was there, the progression always was.

The point being debated was whether or not Mass Effect had some sort of overall plan. I am arguing that Breaking Bad did whereas Mass Effect was a little looser.

[David7204]

I brute-forced fixed the link. And your argument that Breaking Bad had an overall plan goes down the drain if I have an interview of the lead guy saying 'We had no idea where this series was going.'

Which I do.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 01:58 .

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Barquiel wrote...

The citadel coup in the leaked script was much better than the one we got. There was Emily Wong, Terra Firma, Thane's role was at least acceptable, Udina's motivations made sense and that idiotic fixation on Earth was thematized. But I'm glad the Thessia bit was cut. It already looks bad on paper.

And Liara does not have noteworthy plot armor. While she can't die in ME1 and ME2 (she isn't even a squadmember in that game)...that alone means little to nothing when she is not put in situations where you'd expect her to die. 

I heard that Liara wasn't in ME2 because the Devs were actually planning her to be a bigger Character in the next game(ME3, duuuh) and thus couldn't kill her. That was what I heard, anyway...

[hot_heart]

And you take him entirely at his word? It's clear the show was always headed in the Scarface direction; the parallels are there, and it's overtly Greek tragedy.