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[Erez Kristal]

Since I don't take heart to being bullied nor do I care for this account being banned from these forums. I am continuing the debate on this thread.

here is the last part of the important post

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...



I have a fairly good idea of how high he was: They were in orbit. Pieces of the ship, and the chairs in the CIC were freely in orbit around the Normandy. The images that I see such as here indicate to me that the Normandy is in a low orbit above the planet, anywhere from 300 to 2000 km above the planet:

This is a comparative image of the orbital altitudes of Earth.



Here is the higher resolution image of the above.

Your claim of it being 20 - 40 miles above the surface would mean that the pieces of the Normandy, as well as the Normandy itself once it has been attacked, would be in freefall immediately.

Also, Shepard's falling body clearly has a heat trail that is seen when objects fall through the atmosphere.

 I am glad to see that the argument shifted more towards discussing topic instead of falling into personal pointless attacks.

A man jumped from at least 37 km (23) in 2012. without any heatshields and lived perfectly fine afterwards.



Since we dont know at what height above alchera objects begin to burn when entering the planet athmosphere i will be using earth as an example for this debate.

for earth objects begin to burn when entering the athmisphere at 62 miles / 100 km.
a shimmer is seen around shepard pretty early after leaving the normandy due to the explosion.(27 seconds after the explosion) considering shepard would first need to accelerate before gaining that shimmer, we can assume that if this was earth  then shepard would have been free falling from 65 km to 105 km. 

It is not unlikely that the normandy started at orbit and then during the battle manuvered closer towards the planet.


The final issue of debate is the picture of sheppard falling into the planet. the planet is 50% larger than earth 



lets debate the distance issue.

27 seconds after the explosion shepard would enter the atmosphere. where his/her weight will start playing part in his/her decent into the planet. it will help decrease the speed of the descent and impact with the planet. 
weight changing armor upgrades are a strong part of the mass effect lore. add to all this shepard special armor which can stop rockets and there you have it.

Meat and tubes served for your liking.

iakus wrote...

erezike wrote...
because of the limits of terminal velocity on planets with athmosphere shepard impact speed would limited to a speed unable to render shepard into human goo, it would be enough to break everybone on shepard body. but the body would still be salvageable. 

Every advance body armor planned for hazerdous planets battle has the ability to seal itself after a short while. it is very likely and expected that shepard suit sealed itself after begun escaping.  there could have been some exposure to vaccum just before shepard suite managed to seal itself. it is likely that none of the organs(like brain) were damaged enough to prevent lazarus resseruction. 

even without armor and special freefall safety measures. shepard should not turn into goo when hitting the ground at terminal velocity.  just look on real life cases.

For a given value of "salvageable" Alchera's gravity and atmospheric pressure is only about 15% less than Earth's.  Shep would still be slamming full-tilt into a planet at a speed approximating a speeding car.

Velocity doesn't hurt you, it's trying to change it that does.  Or as the saying goes, "it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end."

From Miranda's journal:

"Test subject has been recovered, but the damage is far worse than we initialy feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long-term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

Emphasis mine

This is where terminal velocity, armor and element zero comes into play. they all serve to reduce the impact hit and lead to meat and tubes. people who free falled with terminal velocity didnt turn into mush(most of the time)


- subzero temperatures is a no brainer. but as we can see in the opening movie. long term exposure to vaccum is attribued to the 27 seconds until shepard hit the more dense layers of the planet atmosphere and the suit repair itself. miranda didnt mention exposure to toxics. it is my assumption that the 27 seconds exposure is considered long term exposure for vaccum as it is very leathel. exposure to subzero temperatures was the condition shepard was in until they salvaged his/her corpse.



Please try to keep it mature and on the topic.

Here is the original thread : http://social.biowar...ndex/17600305/1
Here is the first thread. http://social.biowar.../index/17596373


Picture of earth from 100 km



Source : http://www.tdf.it/20...ms-xprize_e.htm

Modifié par erezike, 23 novembre 2013 - 11:41 .

[essarr71]

I'm sure this one won't get locked.

[AlanC9]

What the hell was MassivelyEffective0730 talking about? Orbit isn't a height, it's a velocity.

[Xamufam]

Enough already, don't you have better things to do with your time!!!

[Jorji Costava]

I'm no fan of Lazarus, but I find it very difficult to make my enjoyment of a story event hinge on whether or not I can work out the precise scientific and mathematical details of how it could have happened. I'd say the explanation of how Shepard wasn't completely incinerated is the same as the explanation of how Jack is able to survive in a total vacuum with nothing but a chest belt and a breather mask (which happens if you bring her with you on the Derelict Reaper mission). Namely, the writers thought it would be cool and threw it in there.

[AlexMBrennan]

subzero temperatures is a no brainer. but as we can see in the opening movie. long term exposure to vaccum is attribued to the 27 seconds until shepard hit the more dense layers of the planet atmosphere and the suit repair itself. miranda didnt mention exposure to toxics. it is my assumption that the 27 seconds exposure is considered long term exposure for vaccum as it is very leathel

Well, no - you will become unconscious after 14s but you don't die until 90s+
so the claim that 27s would be considered "long term exposure" is silly.

exposure to subzero temperatures was the condition shepard was in until they salvaged his/her corpse.

Which means ice crystals would have formed, causing catastrophic damage to all cells - to recover his memories, you'd essentially have to un-blend his brain. Good luck.

What the hell was MassivelyEffective0730 talking about? Orbit isn't a height, it's a velocity.

For a stable orbit they are equivalent.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 24 novembre 2013 - 01:34 .

[AlanC9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
Which means ice crystals would have formed, causing catastrophic damage to all cells - to recover his memories, you'd essentially have to un-blend his brain. Good luck.

Yep. I don't know why people talk about the non-problems when they could make the same point by talking about the problems.

What the hell was MassivelyEffective0730 talking about? Orbit isn't a height, it's a velocity.

For a stable orbit they are equivalent.

Sure. Who said Normandy was in a stable orbit?

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...
Which means ice crystals would have formed, causing catastrophic damage to all cells - to recover his memories, you'd essentially have to un-blend his brain. Good luck.

Yep. I don't know why people talk about the non-problems when they could make the same point by talking about the problems.

Believe me, I have brought up freezing temperatures and oxygen starvation a lot

[Erez Kristal]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

subzero temperatures is a no brainer. but as we can see in the opening movie. long term exposure to vaccum is attribued to the 27 seconds until shepard hit the more dense layers of the planet atmosphere and the suit repair itself. miranda didnt mention exposure to toxics. it is my assumption that the 27 seconds exposure is considered long term exposure for vaccum as it is very leathel

Well, no - you will become unconscious after 14s but you don't die until 90s+
so the claim that 27s would be considered "long term exposure" is silly.

exposure to subzero temperatures was the condition shepard was in until they salvaged his/her corpse.

Which means ice crystals would have formed, causing catastrophic damage to all cells - to recover his memories, you'd essentially have to un-blend his brain. Good luck.

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I don't know what is the long term exposure referred to then. maybe she meant long term exposure only in regards to cold conditions. because we cant clearly see shepard falling into the atmosphere fairly quick. two other unlikely options are bad handling of shepard corpse by the blue suns and a bad analysis by Miranda.

freezing without a proper method would cause ice crystals, but we will get to that  later. right now lets focus on explaining on what conditions shepard wouldn't have turned into mush and only settle for meat and tubes.
 

[KaiserShep]

The ship and Shepard were never in orbit. They entered the atmosphere not long after the ship was destroyed.