So I just noticed through out all three games there are various references to religion. But there is not one mention in ME 2 or 3 about what Shepard experienced while dead. For Two years, while cerberus rebuilt her/him.
WTF Bioware... Missed the Boat did you Jeeze.
Nah Just found it funnny when I was doing my latest trilogy play through.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:52
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Lord_Nikon wrote...
So I just noticed through out all three games there are various references to religion. But there is not one mention in ME 2 or 3 about what Shepard experienced while dead. For Two years, while cerberus rebuilt her/him.
WTF Bioware... Missed the Boat did you Jeeze.
Nah Just found it funnny when I was doing my latest trilogy play through.
They wouldn't know the answers anyways. They're just game developers.
There was some dialogue with Ashley asking Shep if he knew anything about the afterlife, but it was cut. For no apparent reason.
Jack has a cool line in Armax about "God/Goddess", personifying salvation through a big explosion. Everything will be OK if we just blow some **** up.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:54
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There was a reason. I very much dislike the idea that the player is able to 'choose' basically whether heaven exists or not by choosing dialogue.
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Posté 23 novembre 2013 - 11:57
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There actually was a conversation with Ashley when she asked about it. Shepard autodialogued that he just went unconccious.
If you're wondering where can you get that ocnversation in the game it got cut out.
If you're wondering where can you get that ocnversation in the game it got cut out.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:17
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I wish you could define a bit more on what your Shepard experienced.
My Shepard is an atheist. As far as things were for him, one second he was dead, the next second he was alive. There was no in between. Being dead, I'd imagine would limit you from having a concept of time.
I do wish the conversation was left in the game though.
My Shepard is an atheist. As far as things were for him, one second he was dead, the next second he was alive. There was no in between. Being dead, I'd imagine would limit you from having a concept of time.
I do wish the conversation was left in the game though.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:24
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FemShep actually does have dialogue options to discuss it *if* she romances Jacob in ME2 (she can also talk about her experience on Akuze if she's a Sole Survivor). She basically describes that she didn't experience anything, like she was asleep. She then explains how it bothers her that everyone including Garrus, Tali, Anderson, and the VS have moved on so far in the two years while she's the same.
It's actually one of my favorite dialogue scenes in the entire second game and it really does add some needed depth to both Shepard and Jacob. I'm really surprised that it's not available to all Shepards.
It's actually one of my favorite dialogue scenes in the entire second game and it really does add some needed depth to both Shepard and Jacob. I'm really surprised that it's not available to all Shepards.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:26
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No matter which dialogue you decide, it's not like it would decide if God is real or not. To my knowledge, such things can be seen for any number of reasons, all of which have no basis in the divine. We can go back and forth about what our Shepard's believe all day. It really wouldn't matter in any grand scheme of things.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:28
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David7204 wrote...
There was a reason. I very much dislike the idea that the player is able to 'choose' basically whether heaven exists or not by choosing dialogue.
well, we certainly couldn't allow that then, could we.....
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:33
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Because making a choice on the dialogue wheel would cause this. <_<David7204 wrote...
We certainly couldn't.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:59
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Personal experiance of a character would prove jack squat and you know it, it would just be what the character didn't see or thought s/he saw.David7204 wrote...
There was a reason. I very much dislike the idea that the player is able to 'choose' basically whether heaven exists or not by choosing dialogue.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:01
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I wish you could define a bit more on what your Shepard experienced.
My Shepard is an atheist. As far as things were for him, one second he was dead, the next second he was alive. There was no in between. Being dead, I'd imagine would limit you from having a concept of time.
I do wish the conversation was left in the game though.
This might be why the convo was cut. Bio didn't want to get involved in this issue.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:06
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They were fine having it in ME1 when Ash first brought up her beliefs.AlanC9 wrote...
This might be why the convo was cut. Bio didn't want to get involved in this issue.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:15
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AlanC9 wrote...
This might be why the convo was cut. Bio didn't want to get involved in this issue.
Sounds like another reason why Lazarus should never have happened to begin with.
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They were fine having it in ME1 when Ash first brought up her beliefs.
The dynamic is a bit different by the time you get to ME3. Since Shep has actually died and come back, he or she can now speak with some measure of "authority" about the subject. So it's a bit trickier (not impossible) to have Shepard talk about the afterlife (or absence thereof) without it appearing that Shepard is rendering a definitive verdict on the reality of the afterlife.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:16
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But ME1 had just an NPC's belief, not the PC's experience.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:18
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AlanC9 wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I wish you could define a bit more on what your Shepard experienced.
My Shepard is an atheist. As far as things were for him, one second he was dead, the next second he was alive. There was no in between. Being dead, I'd imagine would limit you from having a concept of time.
I do wish the conversation was left in the game though.
This might be why the convo was cut. Bio didn't want to get involved in this issue.
THere werwe actually three responses Shepard could have given in the script:
Shepard saw "a light" but is not certain if it was the afterlife, or just the Cerberus lab
Shepard didn't see anything
Shepard refuses to answer the queston
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:29
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OK, that covers pretty much everything.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 01:31
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They'd have a job paraphrasing the 'light' response to make clear the ambiguity.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 02:52
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I'm sorta "Meh" on this issue.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 04:05
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ImaginaryMatter wrote...
FemShep actually does have dialogue options to discuss it *if* she romances Jacob in ME2 (she can also talk about her experience on Akuze if she's a Sole Survivor). She basically describes that she didn't experience anything, like she was asleep. She then explains how it bothers her that everyone including Garrus, Tali, Anderson, and the VS have moved on so far in the two years while she's the same.
It's actually one of my favorite dialogue scenes in the entire second game and it really does add some needed depth to both Shepard and Jacob. I'm really surprised that it's not available to all Shepards.
That's pretty cool. I didn't know that about Jacob. With Miranda, I think the discussions veer more towards place of birth (Earthborn, etc), but it kind of seems appropriate given her interests in genetics and family.
With the others, it's very much more understated. To me, there's already parallels in the life of Jack. She's the same type of Cerberus labrat and sole survivor as well (complete with mocking the whole "sole survivor" deal, by having another survivor in the form Aresh. Similar as Toombs). Garrus becomes a Sole Survivor type with his Omega story. With both, Shepard can help them find some catharsis, in one way or another. Both learn how to trust their own sense of leadership/teamwork later.
Sorry if that's off the point. Kind of sad if Jacob got to discuss all of that personal stuff, and still cheated.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 08:42
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They do discuss it once in Mass Effect 3, on Cronos station when watching the files about the lazarus project it finally occurs to your current companion "oh yeah, Shepard was dead" so they ask what it was like, and Shep just says "it was like any other time I got knocked out"
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 09:32
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Shepard 2.0 is not "your" Shep from ME1. The games have clearly made this evident. Shepard doesn't know and doesn't feel anything because Shep 2.0 really doesn't know anything.
He just has shared memories.
If Mass Effect is rooted at all, even just a tad, in science (and it is). Albeit very soft science but there is still some. Then project Lazarus, is impossible. Given what we know about the project that is. I mean, it's a bit odd and aloof to how they (Cerberus) brought back Shep, but I'm sure there's a way. And it was cool. And never forget. The Rule of Cool trumps everything.
So, yeah I guess Shep doesn't know cause BioWare didn't write it and stuff.
He just has shared memories.
If Mass Effect is rooted at all, even just a tad, in science (and it is). Albeit very soft science but there is still some. Then project Lazarus, is impossible. Given what we know about the project that is. I mean, it's a bit odd and aloof to how they (Cerberus) brought back Shep, but I'm sure there's a way. And it was cool. And never forget. The Rule of Cool trumps everything.
So, yeah I guess Shep doesn't know cause BioWare didn't write it and stuff.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:37
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David7204 wrote...
And why is that, exactly?
Controversy.
I imagine that there'd be at least one person on these boards that was angry that I told Ashley that I didn't see anything.
And vice versa for a for others that choose to say the opposite.
Then you're going to say I'm wrong for some reason, like you always do.
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Posté 24 novembre 2013 - 12:45
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At least one person will be angry to be informed that I ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich last night. However, most people firmly grounded in sanity don't care. I'll wager that though BioWare may not have touched it to avoid some controversial topics, no one really cares, at all, what you picked for your Shepard to say. Or vice versa.
