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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darks1d3 wrote...

Rasofe wrote...

Oh Massive, you're so full of bull****... it's obvious that you know what your fallacy was to treat my argument as invalid because of the genetic fallacy despite it being true. It's equally obvious you're sidetracking this thread because you'd like to get a rise out of the Liara fans. And it's even more obvious that you're doing it all with an air of superiority because you expect them to flip out at you so that you can accuse them of ad hominims and feel extremely good about it.

You can't prove any of the above wrong, too. Because it's the truth. True ad hominims are still true, Massive, and you are a terrible person.

Despite the fact that I'm a Liara fan, it's not working(if that's his goal anyway). I'm just amused. And yes, where is Xil? This could get more amusing. *grabs chips*

Honestly, I'm kind of amused and a little bit perplexed at this reaction. I'm not here to ****** off Liara fans. I'm not that much of an ***hole. Bring Xil in, oh boy, THEN you will see stuff. Namely death threats against me.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:23 .

[Rasofe]

It's clear from the pattern of behavior currently and previously that was the intent. That or he's just very inconsiderate. The forum doesn't need people like that working as some kind of community arbiters of what deserves or doesn't deserve discussion.

[dreamgazer]

Hey guys, what's going on in this thr---

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Barquiel wrote...

And it wouldn't have taken much to rewrite for a Shepard who betrays Miranda to Captain Enyala, Zaeed to Vido, Kasumi to Hock, etc. You can always take a character out of the story. I just think such betrayels wouldn't make much sense and it would complicate things unnecessarily, which was my original point.

See the thing is though that Liara being possibly betrayed to the Broker holds a bit more narrative weight. It has more to do with the overall story.

Whereas the other options can indeed be done, as you say, what's the point? They don't accomplish anything.

Here, the SB is a person who will be of great importance in the coming battle with the Reapers. I think there could be some kind of effect on how the SB works through the game in ME3, depending on which person you have in charge.

[Br3admax]

Nah, this forum needs Massively. His headcanon is our chief weapon against the darkness.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

Nah, this forum needs Massively. His headcanon is our chief weapon against the darkness.

I thought you hated my rages against Ashley.

Like the Tali/Quarian fans hate how I put up a good argument for the Geth.

Like how SJW's hate how I put up a good argument for Cerberus.

The thing is, I'm not here to change people's minds, at least not actively. 

I put my thoughts out there, and if people choose to look at it and listen to it, great. If not, that's great too.

I'm not out to call anybody an idiot for thinking or believing one thing or another, though I will get critical of why they think or feel that way. It's not me trying to be a jackwagon, it's me trying to get a good argument, and thus, discussion going. I'm not out to ****** anybody off. If it happens, then it's on their end, because I certainly am not trying to go after people for the sake of it. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:31 .

[Steelcan]

we need him for logical deconstructions and that certain charm he brings

[themikefest]

I would've killed T'soni to prove to the shadow broker that I would like to work with him in finding a way to defeat the reapers.

[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Nah, this forum needs Massively. His headcanon is our chief weapon against the darkness.

I thought you hated my rages against Ashley.

I again would like to point out that Ashley is a video game character. 

[dreamgazer]

WittingEight65 wrote...

****suckers.

The interpretations once can take away from this are mind-boggling. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Nah, this forum needs Massively. His headcanon is our chief weapon against the darkness.

I thought you hated my rages against Ashley.

I again would like to point out that Ashley is a video game character. 

I would like to point out that I still think she's an ***hole.

[dreamgazer]

Dem asterisks. Quarters in the jar, gentlemen.

[Br3admax]

Sal****er.

[Nole]

dreamgazer wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

****suckers.

The interpretations once can take away from this are mind-boggling. 

ROFL.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Br3ad wrote...

Nah, this forum needs Massively. His headcanon is our chief weapon against the darkness.

What you need to remember is that people like him are responsible for the good things in this world. His brave stand against the heroic gives him the power to need no approval from those filthy SJWs, paragons, and Davidians!

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:37 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

Sal****er.

Oh, so now you're going to make fun of the fact that the BSN won't let me say the word Salt-water as one word? Great job guys.

[Rasofe]

What is this headcanon you speak of? I'd never expect the patron of logic to resort to such a thing.

Modifié par Rasofe, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:38 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Rasofe wrote...

What is this headcanon you speak of? I'd never expect the patron of logic to resort to such a thing.

Of course I do.

I just don't pass it off as anything more than headcanon like many people here try to do.

[Barquiel]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

So you're saying that because the Broker hadn't gotten the information yet, he must not have been close to obtaining it.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that there are prothean ruins on Kahje ("the size of cities"). We know that the Yahg was looking at protheans...but it was just an idea, nothing concrete  ("the SB seemed to think there was more out there. Perhaps the protheans had other plans"). So, why didn't he find the encryption keys? He had more than enough time. Not to mention that Hackett only lets Liara study the ruins on Mars because he trusts her. The SB has proven that he's not exactly trustworthy...

[Hazegurl]

Barquiel wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara got her information from Doctor Passante and she found the encryption keys on Kahje. The Yahg had the same information as Liara, and found nothing. He could have talked to Liara's mentor or send his agents to the protheans ruins on Kahje years ago...but he didn't. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the Yahg has been even close to find the plans.

I don't get what the big deal is. It wouldn't have taken much to rewrite for a Shepard who betrays Liara to the Broker. Same info could have been found, same help received, and Traynor still would have been doing her job. It just seems like some people can't handle the idea that another player would have handed over Liara if given the chance.

And it wouldn't have taken much to rewrite for a Shepard who betrays Miranda to Captain Enyala, Zaeed to Vido, Kasumi to Hock, etc. You can always take a character out of the story. I just think such betrayels wouldn't make much sense and it would complicate things unnecessarily, which was my original point.

Well, why not offer those options? You can kill Zaeed anyway. Kasumi is a dlc character so who cares if a Shepard wants to role play turning her over. The only issue would be Miranda, I can see TIM getting her back anyway which could result in a very ticked off Miranda. But still, why not? It actually would be very interesting to betray Miranda, have TIM bring her back, and now have zero loyalty from her to the point of hatred.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Nah, this forum needs Massively. His headcanon is our chief weapon against the darkness.

What you need to remember is that people like him are responsible for the good things in this world. His brave stand against the heroic gives him the power to need no approval from those filthy SJWs, paragons, and Davidians!

He can take it, because he's...

this isn't working

[Br3admax]

I would like to point out that only people like David make good things happen in this world.

[Rasofe]

StreetMagic wrote...

OK, I haven't the last 10 pages or so (lol), but I figured this has become a Liara hate thread.

I'm just going to say I'm slowly getting over the hate myself. I'm just starting to realize that just about every character you CAN have a romance will almost treat it as much. It's just a limitation in the lack of variance in script and in how they wanted the voice actors to behave. If you talk to Miranda as a friend, it's got this pseudo romance vibe to it as well. Meeting Jack at Grissom has Mark Meer getting really gentle in tone. Tali the same. etc.. Liara just stands out because of the number of scenes.

Sorry if I misread where this thread is going, but I'll just leave this here anyways.

 Well yeah. I think I told you how Kaidan became my favourite character in the trilogy, but that post was sandviched.
In ME1 there's this bug that prohibits you from using anything but E to interract with Kaidan and Liara. For my part, Enter was my use key so my first three playthroughs I had absolutely no conversations with Kaidan besides Femshep having a short chat after Eden Prime.

As a result I ended up paying attention to every word he said and brought him along on every mission I could, including Virmire and Ilos. And sometimes it's not really about how much screen time a character gets, but whether the player actively tries to interract with the character that determines impact. So for just about every character, you might find them personally interesting due to chance, and even more interesting when their screen time is limited. It all depends.

Modifié par Rasofe, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:50 .