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[Angrywolves]

Hello fellow DA fans.
Time to start another thread. So who will be the Inquisitor's allies ? His natural allies and those who can be gently persuaded . Those who have to be forced and those who will refuse to help and the Inquisitor has to fight them. We can discuss any and all of that.
The Inquisitor will have to look hard for allies. The Pax video said these are your men but it didn't say where they came from or how they were recruited. So who were they ?
This big seeker army we saw at Kirkwall at the end of DA2. Will we have that ?
We've been told the Inquisitor won't be bound to the chantry ?
I assume you can align yourself with them IF you want to, giving you access to their resources. But who else ? Choose Gaspard or Celene ?
Support the Dalish ? Ask for help from each country individually?
Organiztions like the Antivan Crows?
So who will join in and assist our Inquisitor ?

[Robot_94]

I get the feeling the inquisitor will be interacting with the Templar's, circle mages, the warden's, the dales, Ferelden, Orlais and hopefully par volen, but to what extent i dont know, how the inquisitor gets his army, maybe somewhat similar to how the warden's get their recruits, voluntarily or conscripted as the inquisitor is given absolute power to do what ever is necessary to bring the person/s responsible to justice

Modifié par Robot_94, 24 novembre 2013 - 04:39 .

[Angrywolves]

true that.
But it might be considered treason if you as an individual helps the Inquisitor but your group or country doesn't . In the Justinia thread they're saying mages consider Wynne a traitor . Makes no sense to me but some did. So how easy will it be to recruit?

[Usergnome]

Angrywolves wrote...

true that.
But it might be considered treason if you as an individual helps the Inquisitor but your group or country doesn't . In the Justinia thread they're saying mages consider Wynne a traitor . Makes no sense to me but some did. So how easy will it be to recruit?

Didn't Wynne support the Circle being controlled by the Chantry? Since so many mages now want to control themselves and break away from the Chantry, they would see any mage who supports the Chantry as a traitor. I think.

Judging by what we know so far, I'm sure Cassandra will give us ties to the Seeker army and perhaps the Chantry, as will Vivienne for the mages. Varric will give us underworld connections, but that may not happen since who knows if he has any influence outside Kirkwall.

As for 100% speculations, I really hope we get a Dalish Companion again, and give us ties to the Dalish Army. That would be awesome, every DA game needs a Dalish First!

[Hellion Rex]

Good thread, Angrywolves. In my opinion, one's natural allies would perhaps vary depending on your origin and choice of class (particularly mages). As a pro-mage who always starts as a human mages, I would probably consider the rebel mage faction my number one allies. At the same time however, this might make templar factions more wary, if not downright hostile to me.
In regards to the Seekers, I will gladly have Cassandra's faction support my endeavors, but Lambert''s group would have to work hard to convince me.
I am Chantry neutral, but I do support a more progressive Chantry with Justinia on my side.
Dalish, I am unsure, but it depends on what we see in game.
Celene vs. Gaspard, I need to see how the novel Masked Empire shakes out before I make that choice.

[durasteel]

There will be two factions of Grey Wardens. One faction will have gone crazy, and will believe that the Architect (if it survived) and its ilk have the right idea, that being friends with darkspawn is the way to end the blights forever. The other faction know that all darkspawn have to die, because the taint is inimical to life and must be purged from Thedas.

The Inquisitor can pick a side and gain allies, but will gain the other side as enemies. Then the Warden comes and something awesome happens.

Modifié par durasteel, 24 novembre 2013 - 05:08 .

[Medhia Nox]

I truly hope there's also a way to assemble "The Unaffiliated".

By this, I mean recruit from those who either 1) Abandon those groups or 2) have recently grown up in the upheaval and are looking for a place to throw their support.

I'd like to see things like rebuilding that Colossus attract people to your banner that are not affiliated with any pre-established group.

I think that would add (for me) to the idea that I'm truly making the Inquisition - not just gathering friends for a big showdown.

[Angrywolves]

Supposedly Zevran has setup a rival organization to the Crows. They might become allies.

[Killdren88]

I'm guessing that is how we will interact with our Warden(If they are in the game). S/he will be leading the Wardens and we have to broker an alliance or we may have to fight them.

Modifié par Killdren88, 24 novembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

It could be that the allies of the Inquisition will depend on the choices you make. The Inquisitor has four rings on his hand. Each are from the Templar Order, the Circle, Chantry and Seekers of Truth; presumably you get the rings ingame depending if you get them 100% devoted to the Inquisition's cause or how you progress with them.

It can't be improbable that the Inquisitor can call on other allies like the Antivan Crows, Grey Wardens, Qunary or mercenary groups.

In Mass Effect 2 you had bonuses if you imported a save from Mass Effect like extra credits, resources and levels. In Mass Effect 3 you had similar bonuses with some benefits to Galactic Readiness. Presumably the Inquisitor will have some bonuses depending on what the Warden and Hawke did in the past; this could mean the Inquisitor will have more or less agents, unique supporters, different contacts and even unique Strongholds (like Soldier's Peak for example).

[The Elder King]

There is no Chantry ring: the four ring rapresent Seekers, maybe Red templars, the Circle and the Templars.

Modifié par hhh89, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:23 .

[Angrywolves]

not red templars. They're insane. Is there any consensus on the rings ?

[The Elder King]

Angrywolves wrote...

not red templars. They're insane. Is there any consensus on the rings ?

Somebody (myself included) thought that the red ring could've indicate a magister background, when we didn't know about the multiple race option. It could indicate a Tevinter faction, I guess, but Teviter has its own symbols,  and considering the red lyrium and the red Templars, I'd say it's more likely that it indicates them.
Remember that there is any confirmation that the rings indicate the factions we could side with. They coud indicate some of the groups presents in the game, regardless of their role.

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

hhh89 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

not red templars. They're insane. Is there any consensus on the rings ?

Somebody (myself included) thought that the red ring could've indicate a magister background, when we didn't know about the multiple race option. It could indicate a Tevinter faction, I guess, but Teviter has its own symbols,  and considering the red lyrium and the red Templars, I'd say it's more likely that it indicates them.
Remember that there is any confirmation that the rings indicate the factions we could side with. They coud indicate some of the groups presents in the game, regardless of their role.

Red Templars are NOT an order. They are the result of red lyrium and turned into something Meridith did when she used the corrupted idol on that sword she got. If that red ruby ring isnt' the mark of the red sun of the chantry then it could be like you said a sign from the tevinter magisters. And how couldn't you know about the multiple factions when it was anounced at E3 and most people know about it already?

[The Elder King]

Skyrunner_Morgan wrote...

Red Templars are NOT an order. They are the result of red lyrium and turned into something Meridith did when she used the corrupted idol on that sword she got. If that red ruby ring isnt' the mark of the red sun of the chantry then it could be like you said a sign from the tevinter magisters. And how couldn't you know about the multiple factions when it was anounced at E3 and most people know about it already?

I know why the Red templars are 'red'. We don't know anything about them other than someone said they're splinter faction. To say that they're not a separate organization is your opinion. And why the red glowing ring would indicate the Chantry? Why would Bioware would cover the Chantry emblem with a red glowing light? I still think it's more likely that it'll indicate the RT. 
And what do you mean with the multiple factions? I was talking about the multiple races in my post, which were announced at August. Bioware before E3 talked only about multiple backgrounds for PCs, and I knew about them as well. Bioware never talked about multiple factions that we can side with. Mary Kirby stated that what the rings indicate will have a relevance in the game or something similar, but she never stated they indicate possible allies.

Modifié par hhh89, 24 novembre 2013 - 11:57 .

[Angrywolves]

There's a youtube video I watched where someone analyzed the rings. He said he didn't know what the red rings were. He said the others he thought were of the seekers, chantry, circle, and grey wardens. shrugs.

[The Elder King]

Angrywolves wrote...

There's a youtube video I watched where someone analyzed the rings. He said he didn't know what the red rings were. He said the others he thought were of the seekers, chantry, circle, and grey wardens. shrugs.

People speculated about the unknown thumb ring indicating the GW. It's possible, since the GW will probably be in DAI. 
It's true that we don't know what the red ring means. It's difficult to see the emblem. It could indicate a lot of different things. My theory about indicating the RT is just an opinion.

[Angrywolves]

I don't know why they did the hand with the rings thing unless it was to show possibilities . Unlikely the Inquisitor will be aligned with all those groups where they've all given him rings. But we'll see.
I did go and read the dragon age wiki about mage fraternities . They are Aeqularians, Isolationists, Libertarians which include Resolutionists, Loyalists, and Lucrotians. Wynne, Rys, Irving were Aeqularians, Niall was allegedly an Isolationists, and Uldred was an Resolutionists, . Do you think those names will really mean anything in DAI and will they mean a group of mages aligned with a fraternity will join the Inquisiton or oppose it?

[RobRam10]

You know it would be great if Bioware would lets us take over a faction. Pointing at the Venatori, would be awesome to have gladiator slaves and Tevinter mages bend to our will.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

David Gadier did mention in a thread recently that we wouldn't be "gathering allies." So presumably we won't be getting the mages or templars or elves to join the actual Inquisiton's ranks.

[The Elder King]

@Angrywolves: I believe that some devs said that the concept of the rings have some meanings, but not like those groups giving us the rings.
As for the fraternities, I don't know. Gaider (as Jedi Master of Orion said) stated that we'll not gather allies. Maybe we'll be able to influence the mages in the struggle between the fraternities.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

David Gadier did mention in a thread recently that we wouldn't be "gathering allies." So presumably we won't be getting the mages or templars or elves to join the actual Inquisiton's ranks.

This makes sense to me, because if the game were about gathering allies from different groups, the structure would be almost identical to Origins with different plot trappings. I don't see the developers wanting to go for that much of a repeat.

That wouldn't necessarily mean you wouldn't naturally end up forming alliances with people from different groups, though - it sounded like we just aren't going to go track them down for the primary purpose of alliance-building. 

Modifié par TreeHuggerHannah, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:04 .

[Nightdragon8]

TreeHuggerHannah wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

David Gadier did mention in a thread recently that we wouldn't be "gathering allies." So presumably we won't be getting the mages or templars or elves to join the actual Inquisiton's ranks.

This makes sense to me, because if the game were about gathering allies from different groups, the structure would be almost identical to Origins with different plot trappings. I don't see the developers wanting to go for that much of a repeat.

That wouldn't necessarily mean you wouldn't naturally end up forming alliances with people from different groups, though - it sounded like we just aren't going to go track them down for the primary purpose of alliance-building. 

the funny part is that we can say that "They wont do the same thing" but in the end may turn around and do it anyway. cause you know, they are the ones making the game.

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

The rings on the Inquisitor's hand have hierarchies on them. Its not like you can buy those rings and show them off; the rings could stand for the sign of willing alliance of the factions they represent with the Inquisitor. Alternatively they could be spoils of war if the Inquisitor should decide to take them over. There are the clear signs of the Templar and the Seekers of Truth so those rings are immediately excluded.

The Grey Wardens have the well known Griffon and none of the Inquisitor's rings are even close to what Grey Wardens could use for their hierarchies.

The symbol the Chantry uses is a sun; in Dragon Age: Origins their symbol used to be either the Sword of Mercy or something that was close to what the Seekers of Truth use. On some of the gifts given to Lelilana you can see that they are inscribed with a sun-like marking. In Dragon Age 2 the Chantry uses a symbol that closely resembles a sun and is even seen on the foreheads of the Tranquil. The ruby ring could be the red sun the Chantry uses and can be compared to the rings the pope from the Catholic religion.

The Tevinter Imperium is well known for the magical imbued items or clothing. Presumably the red ring could be a sign the Magisters use or it could be given away by the Archon as a gesture of good will and the willing alliance with the Inquisitor.

The last ring that resembles a cross with a circle in it could be a mark from a noble with great influence or power; presumably from Orlais. Alternatively it could be a gift from Empress Celene if the Inquisitor should side with her or support her in the civil war.

[The Elder King]

@Skyrunner_Morgan: again, the rings have a symbolic relevance. They aren't meant to be given to the Inquisitor, according to Bioware. They rapresents some organizations in Inquisition, but that concept isn't meant to rapresent in-game events.
Even if those concept would rapresent in-game events (they don't, according to Bioware), the hooded figure isn't the Inquisitor, but someone who gives the helm and the sword to the Inquisitor.
And the third ring doesn't rapresent nobles or Orlais. Is the symbol of the Circle of Magi.

Modifié par hhh89, 25 novembre 2013 - 10:10 .