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[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Tell me, what is the statute of limitations on dissatisfaction?  At what point are we supposed to either start liking it or GTFO?  Or did we pass that point already?

The point where it surpasses frustrated venting and turns into an unhealthy, counterproductive obsession, with hate.

So yeah it's pretty safe to say that putting in hundreds of hours more into complaining about something you hate, than the amount of time you actually put into it, easily passes that point.

[Clayless]

TheJJBL wrote...

Alternativly if you don't want to do anything productive either, you could just not enter topics that outright state that they dislike the ending. I'd understand if you came into a thread about something else and people kept derailing it to talk about how much they disliked the ending, or if it was a thread about how much you liked the ending and people kept derailing it with how much they hated it. But this is not either of these situations, you are simply complaining about complaining, and arguing that others need to go be productive while you yourself are doing nothing productive. 

All a bit pointless no?

You answered your own question. You're trying to figure out why I'm doing this, yet you pointed out it's completely impossible to make a thread about the ending (heck, probably a thread about the series) without it being derailed by people complaining about the ending.

It's also strange that you consider this not productive. With this the end result is people realise what they doing and move on.

The end result of complaining about something that happened to years ago, constantly, day after day, week after week, month after month.. ? Um, Bioware makes a time machine to please that person.. ?

[Linkenski]

Robosexual wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

It never.

If it did I would have gotten over it well over a year ago and done something more productive with my time, let alone almost 2 years after the game came out

Almost. Two. Years.

Oh, give it a rest Casey jr. Bad game is still shockingly bad, doesn't mean nothing "productive" hasn't happened since.

You consider this productive? Complaining about something you hate, constantly, for 2 years, rather than moving on?

You don't consider that extremely unhealthy?

Just a heads up. I know I might not have thought about what I just started when I made the topic, but the point of this topic from my POV was not just to start complaining again. I was just curious as to how people percieve the ending differently because I've always been a little mixed about it, but I never hated it AS MUCH as some others do.

I just recently started coming back to this forum again, and I don't think I've thought about ME3 in about 1 year almost prior to it, so I don't think everyone here has been obsessed since it came out.

[Rucent]

Funny how this guy assumes that everyone complaining has been doing so on a daily basis for two years without pause.

[Linkenski]

Exactly my thought. I generally don't keep too much track of who's who on forums, but I'm not assuming that every user I see here has been here nonstop complaining about the ending since release, but Robosexual is right in that it seems there are still some who are stuck, because every thread gets derailed into complaining about the ending even if it's just about something else in MEU. It's not too crazy to say that, something like that is indicative of the fact that there's still people who can't accept that it is what it is.

But unfortunately the BSN forums still show signs of being the circle of evilness it has been since ME3's ending controversy started. I think it's like we keep feeding each other. Someone stops caring or moves on, but another guy is still stuck, drags a newcomer to BSN down etc. Maybe not as blunt as that, but that's generally how it looks sometimes. I probably should've known better than to make this thread, but oh well. At least everyone has accepted that Bioware is not changing the ending and that's not the point of BSN discussions anymore like it was almost 2 years ago.

Modifié par Linkenski, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:17 .

[Hjklop]

Robosexual wrote...

TheJJBL wrote...

Alternativly if you don't want to do anything productive either, you could just not enter topics that outright state that they dislike the ending. I'd understand if you came into a thread about something else and people kept derailing it to talk about how much they disliked the ending, or if it was a thread about how much you liked the ending and people kept derailing it with how much they hated it. But this is not either of these situations, you are simply complaining about complaining, and arguing that others need to go be productive while you yourself are doing nothing productive. 

All a bit pointless no?

You answered your own question. You're trying to figure out why I'm doing this, yet you pointed out it's completely impossible to make a thread about the ending (heck, probably a thread about the series) without it being derailed by people complaining about the ending.

It's also strange that you consider this not productive. With this the end result is people realise what they doing and move on.

The end result of complaining about something that happened to years ago, constantly, day after day, week after week, month after month.. ? Um, Bioware makes a time machine to please that person.. ?

This has gotten a little out of hand, if you want to see what you're doing as productive more the power to you. 

I suppose we'll just agree to disagree again

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Around Thessia.

The last 3 missions are all terrible with little to no redeeming value about them.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:17 .

[spirosz]

Robosexual wrote...


The point where it surpasses frustrated venting and turns into an unhealthy, counterproductive obsession, with hate.

This is also a factor with - The point where it surpasses frustrated venting and turns into an unhealthy, counterproductive obsession, with love.

So what is your point? 

[CroGamer002]

Better question is, when did it start to be good at all?

[dreamgazer]

Linkenski wrote...

I probably should've known better than to make this thread, but oh well. 

Ding, ding, ding.  

You're not going to get a lot of people defending the ending, even faintly, in thread with the title: "Where did the ending stop being good for you?"

[essarr71]

So to sum up: extended time repeating the same criticisms is bad. Extended time repeating the same praises is fine.

Hmmm.

[In Exile]

The ending stopped being good for me the second that light from heaven shot down. I thought the ending was pretty poignant up to that point, with Shepard reaching for the console.

Modifié par In Exile, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:39 .

[JamesFaith]

Linkenski wrote...
At least everyone has accepted that Bioware is not changing the ending and that's not the point of BSN discussions anymore like it was almost 2 years ago.

I wouldn't bet on this.

Rarely I still seeing such people, but it mostly just change from "changing endings" to "rebbot ME" now.

[Ieldra]

Of the original ending:
Hit 1: Shepard's collapse at the control panel. That's where it all started to go critically wrong.
Hit 2: The exposition of Synthesis
Hit 3: The crash of the Normandy and everything that followed.

After (3), ME was dead as a story for me. The EC changed things, but what remains of (1) and (2) is still a serious wound.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:43 .

[dreamgazer]

essarr71 wrote...

So to sum up: extended time repeating the same criticisms is bad. Extended time repeating the same praises is fine.

Hmmm.

The repetition of binary, hyperbolic praises and criticisms in itself is the issue.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Nightwriter wrote...

After Anderson died. I thought that was a really well done scene but afterward things took a dive.

I didn't like the scene with Anderson, but that's mainly because I don't like Anderson. 

I would have preferred a scene where you symbolically choose either TIM or Anderson and get your speech with them. I love the Paragon speech, but I hate having to suffer through a scene with a guy I don't like nor felt any connection at all with that has to come after it.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 24 novembre 2013 - 09:44 .

[Animositisomina]

trenq wrote...

when i saw a glowing kid wearing a hoodie

Pretty much this. I still enjoyed the ending overall, but oh my god when I first saw that the catalyst was a "ghost" version of the kid from earth... ugh. So, so stupid. And there's just no way whatsoever to explain why it appears as that kid. Just painfully stupid to see and really pulled me out of the game.

[essarr71]

dreamgazer wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

So to sum up: extended time repeating the same criticisms is bad. Extended time repeating the same praises is fine.

Hmmm.

The repetition of binary, hyperbolic praises and criticisms in itself is the issue.

I take comfort that the daily negativity in re to the game/ending serve as a motivation for Bioware's future titles.  But I just come here for what few trolls and weirdos left will post to entertain me. Im numb to franchise now. 

[dreamgazer]

essarr71 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

So to sum up: extended time repeating the same criticisms is bad. Extended time repeating the same praises is fine.

Hmmm.

The repetition of binary, hyperbolic praises and criticisms in itself is the issue.

I take comfort that the daily negativity in re to the game/ending serve as a motivation for Bioware's future titles.  But I just come here for what few trolls and weirdos left will post to entertain me. Im numb to franchise now. 

From what I understand, daily negativity has been in this forum's DNA (and its previous iteration) since before Mass Effect was released. Good luck with that assumption. 

[Lawrence0294]

Everything from the final assault at Cerberus HQ was going from bad to mediocre, back and forth.
But to me, the moment when the BS was just too much was after you fire the crucible and you see the Normandy running away. When that happened the BS meter exploded.

[David7204]

The reason people spend very copious amounts of time on a product they continually claim is stupid, silly and not worth their time is not complicated at all. It's simple.

They have a great deal of emotional investment in something that's disappointed and upset them, and they're powerless. Utterly at the mercy of what BioWare does or doesn't do. So in an effort to shake off that helplessness, they try to convince themselves everything sucks so they're no longer under the power of something they resent. Once they no longer care about Mass Effect (or any other franchise or whatever), they're free.

It's that simple.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 10:04 .

[essarr71]

dreamgazer wrote...

From what I understand, daily negativity has been in this forum's DNA (and its previous iteration) since before Mass Effect was released. Good luck with that assumption. 

Assumptions and expectations are different things, fortunately.  

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...
The reason people spend very copious amounts of time on a product they continually claim is stupid, silly and not worth their time is not complicated at all. It's simple.

They have a great deal of emotional investment in something that's disappointed and upset them, and they're powerless. Utterly at the mercy of what BioWare does or doesn't do. So in an effort to shake off that helplessness, they try to convince themselves everything sucks so they're no longer under the power of something they resent. Once they no longer care about Mass Effect (or any other franchise or whatever), they're free.

It's that simple.

Never gets old

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

The reason people spend very copious amounts of time on a product they continually claim is stupid, silly and not worth their time is not complicated at all. It's simple.

They have a great deal of emotional investment in something that's disappointed and upset them, and they're powerless. Utterly at the mercy of what BioWare does or doesn't do. So in an effort to shake off that helplessness, they try to convince themselves everything sucks so they're no longer under the power of something they resent. Once they no longer care about Mass Effect (or any other franchise or whatever), they're free.

It's that simple.

David, people also complain for the sake of complaining, of provoking, and for entertainment value.  It's the Internet, people are anonymous, and they enjoy being jerks to strangers who enjoy something they don't. And the more hyperbolic, the better. It's not that simple.