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[MassivelyEffective0730]

David is playing armchair psychologist again. What else is new?

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

The reason people spend very copious amounts of time on a product they continually claim is stupid, silly and not worth their time is not complicated at all. It's simple.

They have a great deal of emotional investment in something that's disappointed and upset them, and they're powerless. Utterly at the mercy of what BioWare does or doesn't do. So in an effort to shake off that helplessness, they try to convince themselves everything sucks so they're no longer under the power of something they resent. Once they no longer care about Mass Effect (or any other franchise or whatever), they're free.

It's that simple.

oh psychoanalize me next

[David7204]

In the first few days of weeks of an outrage, sure. But this? Twenty months later? Posters with hundreds or thousands of hours invested and the same or more posts? No Dreamgazer, people here are invested.

You can see it plain as day. How many posts do we see dripping with desperation, dripping with someone clearly begging, begging for their happy ending right below the surface? Countless. Of course, the fact that they're reduced to begging makes them all the more resentful. Some hide it better than others. But it's there.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 10:16 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

In the first few days of weeks of an outrage, sure. But this? Twenty months later? Posters with hundreds or thousands of hours invested and the same or more posts? No Dreamgazer, people here are invested.

You can see it plain as day. How many posts do we see dripping with desperation, dripping with someone clearly begging, begging for their happy ending right below the surface? Countless. Of course, the fact that they're reduced to begging makes them all the more resentful. Some hide it better than others. But it's there.

Of course you'd see it David. You see whatever you want to see.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Everything after the Kai Leng encounter on Thessia.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

In the first few days of weeks of an outrage, sure. But this? Twenty months later? Posters with hundreds or thousands of hours invested and the same or more posts? No Dreamgazer, people here are invested.

There's a difference between investment and commitment, David.

[David7204]

What difference is that and how does it apply here?

[Daemul]

Never, the ending never bothered me, so I really don't care. Besides, when you've played as many video games as I have and have seen many horrid video game endings along the way, newer games need to have really outrageously bad endings to register on my radar. ME3's ending wasn't even a blip, it was just an average video game ending.

Seriously, people should be thanking their lucky stars that ME3 has an average ending, because believe you me it could have been far worse, faaarrrrrr worse.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

What difference is that and how does it apply here?

The difference between those who care about future installments, and those who well and truly don't.

Also, people just like to talk about things, David.  They enjoy debating. Pure. Simple. 

You cannot generalize.  It's not that simple.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Daemul wrote...

Never, the ending never bothered me, so I really don't care. Besides, when you've played as many video games as I have and have seen many horrid video game endings along the way, newer games need to have really outrageously bad endings to register on my radar. ME3's ending wasn't even a blip, it was just an average video game ending.

Seriously, people should be thanking their lucky stars that ME3 has an average ending, because believe you me it could have been far worse, faaarrrrrr worse.

Well, there's a problem with how you're defining a bad ending. What is a bad ending to a video game. One bad ending or concept might be seen differently with a different perspectative relative to another game.

Define to me how ME3's ending could have been far worse. This isn't an attack on you or your idea, but more of an experiment to try to show you that you can't really categorize that one ending to one series can be related to every other one.

[Wulfram]

Things start going wrong when you get to the temple on Thessia. Priority Earth is bad. But the scene with TIM is OK, I'm mixed about the stuff with Anderson after that (auto-dialogue is bad, but it's quite well written auto-dialogue). Shepard desperately reaching for the controls when the Crucible isn't working is good - I almost wish the game ended there. Then the beam of light comes down and it all goes terribly wrong.

[David7204]

No Dreamgazer. If it was just people who liked to talk, there would be no blatant hypocrisy. There would be no glut of posters continually and gleefully announcing how little they care about the series. The people who spend time here as basically 'anti-fans' who denounce the series and little else are here because they're helpless. Because they're helpless and being here gives them an illusion otherwise.

People aren't nearly as complicated as they like to think, Dreamgazer.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 10:30 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

No Dreamgazer. If it was just people who liked to talk, there would be no blatant hypocrisy. There would be no glut of posters continually and gleefully announcing how little they care about the series. The people who spend time here as basically 'anti-fans' who denounce the series and little else are here because they're helpless. Because they're helpless and being here gives them an illusion otherwise.

People aren't nearly as complicated as they like to think, Dreamgazer.

Helpless to what?

[Sanunes]

Its funny, but a friend and I were discussing this the other day for we both just went back and replayed the game and for me I don't care much for Priority: Earth, but my real problem lies with Starkid. It felt like Shepard was listening and believing everything the leader of the enemy forces had to say without question or disbelief. After that I replayed that scenario in my head with having Liara and Tali there to translate and figure out what the controls do with having Shepard fighting off Reapers I could live with the endings how they were presented.

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No Dreamgazer. If it was just people who liked to talk, there would be no blatant hypocrisy. There would be no glut of posters continually and gleefully announcing how little they care about the series. The people who spend time here as basically 'anti-fans' who denounce the series and little else are here because they're helpless. Because they're helpless and being here gives them an illusion otherwise.

People aren't nearly as complicated as they like to think, Dreamgazer.

Helpless to what?

To BioWare. They're helpless to the emotional reactions that BioWare induces from them. Is this not obvious? Twenty months later, and this forum is still filled to the brim with people admitting how emotionally crippled they are from the endings. They have zero control over whether BioWare produces a product that they love or a product they despise. BioWare hurt them emotionally, and there's nothing whatsoever they can do about it.

Modifié par David7204, 24 novembre 2013 - 10:40 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No Dreamgazer. If it was just people who liked to talk, there would be no blatant hypocrisy. There would be no glut of posters continually and gleefully announcing how little they care about the series. The people who spend time here as basically 'anti-fans' who denounce the series and little else are here because they're helpless. Because they're helpless and being here gives them an illusion otherwise.

People aren't nearly as complicated as they like to think, Dreamgazer.

Helpless to what?

To BioWare. They're helpless to the emotional reactions that BioWare induces from them. Is this not obvious?

Some, yes. But the vast majority I see really don't care. Some of us are still pissed, but that's not really translating into coming on here and begging for changes.

Twenty months later, and this forum is still filled to the brim with people admitting how emotionally crippled they are from the endings.

Unless you're deliberately over-generalizing people, which you most certainly are since you do it everywhere you go, there really is no way that this is correct. 

They have zero control over whether BioWare produces a product that they love or a product they despise.

No they don't. But that does not make them enslaved to it like you think. 

BioWare hurt them emotionally, and there's nothing whatsoever they can do about it.

There's plenty they can do about it. You seem to think that BW, and yourself, holds some kind of absolute power over everyone's emotions and feelings. Unless that emotion is humor and irritation, which is what I get most out of this.

[Barquiel]

Daemul wrote...

Never, the ending never bothered me, so I really don't care. Besides, when you've played as many video games as I have and have seen many horrid video game endings along the way, newer games need to have really outrageously bad endings to register on my radar. ME3's ending wasn't even a blip, it was just an average video game ending.

Seriously, people should be thanking their lucky stars that ME3 has an average ending, because believe you me it could have been far worse, faaarrrrrr worse.

I never hated the endings as much as some others do, but I can't think of many video game endings that were more controversial than Mass Effect 3's. The NWN2 (oc) ending was worse, I guess. Rocks fall, everyone dies...there was a lot of frustration and anger. The BG2:TOB ending also left me depressed because they killed my favorite character in the epilogue

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...
To BioWare. They're helpless to the
emotional reactions that BioWare induces from them. Is this not obvious?
Twenty months later, and this forum is still filled to the brim with
people admitting how emotionally crippled they are from the endings.
They have zero control over whether BioWare produces a product that they
love or a product they despise. BioWare hurt them emotionally, and
there's nothing whatsoever they can do about it.

Bioware having complete control over the product they make whether loved or despised has always been the case. Even the products I loved had issues though.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 24 novembre 2013 - 11:12 .

[Oni Changas]

When I first heard ****** kid's voice.

[AlanC9]

Barquiel wrote...

I never hated the endings as much as some others do, but I can't think of many video game endings that were more controversial than Mass Effect 3's. The NWN2 (oc) ending was worse, I guess. Rocks fall, everyone dies...there was a lot of frustration and anger. The BG2:TOB ending also left me depressed because they killed my favorite character in the epilogue

Don't forget KotOR 2.

[Wayning_Star]

Well OP, for me It was when everyone went over to playing ME on youtube, then, returned here to comment on honing their debate skills set.. true story!

[Nole]

Never.

[Daemul]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Well, there's a problem with how you're defining a bad ending. What is a bad ending to a video game. One bad ending or concept might be seen differently with a different perspectative relative to another game.

Define to me how ME3's ending could have been far worse. This isn't an attack on you or your idea, but more of an experiment to try to show you that you can't really categorize that one ending to one series can be related to every other one.

NOOOOO! I had a long answer to your post typed out but I pressed the back button a lost it ;_;.

The one time i don't use MS Word to type a post before copying and pasting it, this ends up happening. FML. ;_;

[Wayning_Star]

Daemul wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Well, there's a problem with how you're defining a bad ending. What is a bad ending to a video game. One bad ending or concept might be seen differently with a different perspectative relative to another game.

Define to me how ME3's ending could have been far worse. This isn't an attack on you or your idea, but more of an experiment to try to show you that you can't really categorize that one ending to one series can be related to every other one.

NOOOOO! I had a long answer to your post typed out but I pressed the back button a lost it ;_;.

The one time i don't use MS Word to type a post before copying and pasting it, this ends up happening. FML. ;_;

on them long ones, best to copy them just after typing them in the chatter box. These online ones will drop stuff if moved unless you copy them like that. Neat part is that you don't have to open word, your stuff is copied to what ever operating system you use...(I think....)