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[Phate Phoenix]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Yeah, Thane was made by the Devs from the ground up as the stealthy, assassin love interest for FemShep. From his design, they made the Drells. For me, it's hard to understand why they would put so much effort into making a whole new species for an alien love interest if they were just going to make Garrus one, too. It's not a good idea for a company to spend money creating a new character for the same role that another character already fills. Thus why I think Garrus is out.

Again, I don't understand why you seem to think they can't do both. Why do you think there can't be two male alien love interests?

Edit: Note that each gender is to have an equal number of love interests.

Because then Thane and Garrus would fill the same niche. Sure, they're different characters, but Thane was made specifically for the purpose of being a love interest. Had they said they made Thane a love interest after developing the Drell species and making his character, it'd be different. But Thane was made for that. To have Garrus to the same thing after putting all the effort into making Thane and the Drell doesn't make sense to me.

It also ties into the equal amounts of love interests. MaleShep has two human love interests already listed with the third a mystery. FemShep has one human and one alien love interests. If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

[Inverness Moon]

Noviere wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

See I don't get that, they make him to be romancable then give him a face like somebody smashed him over the head with a Salvador Dali painting.

I can see his appeal more than Garrus'... *shudder* Garrus is like a giant, scaley  bug, with a snapping turtle's mouth and mandibles. What's hot about that? It would be like kissing a Xenomorph.

I have a particular affection for Xenomorphs, what you said did not turn me off in the least.

[SarEnyaDor]

It's his voice really, I like Garrus's voice as well, but I like to kiss so I'd be SOL

[ODST 3]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Not that I don't love my Kaidan... just been watching all those teaser shows, and all I see is SuZe and Miranda catfighting over Mr. Shep or attacking him with their mouths, haven't seen anything that looked remotely like femshep anywhere or any hints on whether or not there is a new male love interest or not.

It's just the marketing using the "standard" Shepard. Personally I think they should show the ladies what they've got. This type of game is popular with both genders.

[Kohaku]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

It's his voice really, I like Garrus's voice as well, but I like to kiss so I'd be SOL

I'm going to look at his video again. I was just stuck on his lips the last time I saw Thane.

[Inverness Moon]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Yeah, Thane was made by the Devs from the ground up as the stealthy, assassin love interest for FemShep. From his design, they made the Drells. For me, it's hard to understand why they would put so much effort into making a whole new species for an alien love interest if they were just going to make Garrus one, too. It's not a good idea for a company to spend money creating a new character for the same role that another character already fills. Thus why I think Garrus is out.

Again, I don't understand why you seem to think they can't do both. Why do you think there can't be two male alien love interests?

Edit: Note that each gender is to have an equal number of love interests.

Because then Thane and Garrus would fill the same niche. Sure, they're different characters, but Thane was made specifically for the purpose of being a love interest. Had they said they made Thane a love interest after developing the Drell species and making his character, it'd be different. But Thane was made for that. To have Garrus to the same thing after putting all the effort into making Thane and the Drell doesn't make sense to me.

It also ties into the equal amounts of love interests. MaleShep has two human love interests already listed with the third a mystery. FemShep has one human and one alien love interests. If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

I believe BioWare thinks that community opinion would trump any idea of ballancing the number of humans and aliens available as a love interest for each gender. The popularity of Garrus and Tali makes them practically confirmed, because BioWare said many times how they listened to the community when developing Mass Effect 2.

I don't see a particular reason for balancing the number of humans and aliens available for each gender.

Edit: I think you want to see it that way because of your interest in Joker.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:30 .

[Noviere]

Inverness Moon wrote...

I have a particular affection for Xenomorphs, what you said did not turn me off in the least.

I think Xenomorphs are awesome... But my first reaction to seeing one wouldn't be to try to make out with it. But then, I don't consider having my face eaten foreplay.

SarEnyaDor wrote...

It's his voice really, I like Garrus's voice as well, but I like to kiss so I'd be SOL

I really like his voice as well. That... rattle is really cool. Not sure what else to call it.

Modifié par Noviere, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:32 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Wimmins love the aliens, and it's not gay if it is an alien.



These are true-isms

[SarEnyaDor]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Edit: I think you want to see it that way because of your interest in Joker.

LOL - hey, Phate Phoenix we should start a fan club!

[Deviija]

Phate Phoenix wrote...
If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

Since there is no F/F (Asari don't count) romance in ME2 and since there are NO other human male squadmates left unrevealed, I find this difficult to see.  Love Interests in BioWare games are exclusively party companions these days.  The last NPC romance was back in NWN1.  The reason being that companions can travel with you and give dialogue and share the adventure, etc.  Jacob's the only male human on the team.  The rest are Grunt, Mordin, Thane, and Garrus.  Aliens only.  Thus, I am certain the last LI for FemSheps is alien. 

[Inverness Moon]

Deviija wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...
If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

Since there is no F/F (Asari don't count) romance in ME2 and since there are NO other human male squadmates left unrevealed, I find this difficult to see.  Love Interests in BioWare games are exclusively party companions these days.  The last NPC romance was back in NWN1.  The reason being that companions can travel with you and give dialogue and share the adventure, etc.  Jacob's the only male human on the team.  The rest are Grunt, Mordin, Thane, and Garrus.  Aliens only.  Thus, I am certain the last LI for FemSheps is alien. 

Indeed, the love interests I predict:

MaleShep: Miranda, SuZe, Tali
FemShep: Jacob, Thane, Garrus

Edit: Don't forget Legion in that list of yours. 

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:39 .

[ODST 3]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I don't know, I saw Miranda's red bra pop out of that white jumpsuit last night, and I was thinking "How come I can't perfectly conceal a red bra under a white shirt like that!!"

Future sewing techniques. We learned how to do it from the Protheans.

[SarEnyaDor]

Gotta love that Prothean technology, those Enkindlers think of EVERYTHING!

[Vaulin Faust]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

I hope there is a ZAEED ROMANCE. Screw Thane, I want some old guy ass.

Zaeed approves of this message.

[Phate Phoenix]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Yeah, Thane was made by the Devs from the ground up as the stealthy, assassin love interest for FemShep. From his design, they made the Drells. For me, it's hard to understand why they would put so much effort into making a whole new species for an alien love interest if they were just going to make Garrus one, too. It's not a good idea for a company to spend money creating a new character for the same role that another character already fills. Thus why I think Garrus is out.

Again, I don't understand why you seem to think they can't do both. Why do you think there can't be two male alien love interests?

Edit: Note that each gender is to have an equal number of love interests.

Because then Thane and Garrus would fill the same niche. Sure, they're different characters, but Thane was made specifically for the purpose of being a love interest. Had they said they made Thane a love interest after developing the Drell species and making his character, it'd be different. But Thane was made for that. To have Garrus to the same thing after putting all the effort into making Thane and the Drell doesn't make sense to me.

It also ties into the equal amounts of love interests. MaleShep has two human love interests already listed with the third a mystery. FemShep has one human and one alien love interests. If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

I believe BioWare thinks that community opinion would trump any idea of ballancing the number of humans and aliens available as a love interest for each gender. The popularity of Garrus and Tali makes them practically confirmed, because BioWare said many times how they listened to the community when developing Mass Effect 2.

I don't see a particular reason for balancing the number of humans and aliens available for each gender.

Edit: I think you want to see it that way because of your interest in Joker.

The online community is a small, vocal part of the whole community. To base everything they do on what we few say would be ridiculous. They can take cues from us, sure, and they have. I think that's why they made Thane. They saw that we were not adverse to such a pairing, and deicded to make a more humanoid version, one that would get more use and more fans across the board.

Actually, I think I see it balanced because I find symmetry far more appealing. If FemShep gets two aliens and MaleShep gets only one, it'll bug me. It bugged me in ME1 that MaleShep got two female(esque) interests while FemShep had one male and female(esque). Although I won't lie--the hope that Joker could be the last interest probably is making it hard for me to be unbiased.

[Nozybidaj]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

It also ties into the equal amounts of love interests. MaleShep has two human love interests already listed with the third a mystery. FemShep has one human and one alien love interests. If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

If (and I think this is a rather large "if") we assume this is true then who would the second human FemShep LI be?

[SarEnyaDor]

@ Nozybidaj -> You didn't read the thread, did you? Joker!!!

[MutantSpleen]

I can't believe my FemShep, by my choice, only has one romance option. Sorry but an alien that looks like a sleestack from Land of the Lost and one that resembles a snapping turtle. Neither rate "hot" in my book. I don't care if Thane has big kissable lips, so do fish but I don't want to kiss one. Hopefully I will like Jacob but I get the feeling I won't. I like a little humor in my men and all the male love interests seems to have no "fun" in their personality.

[Phate Phoenix]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Edit: I think you want to see it that way because of your interest in Joker.

LOL - hey, Phate Phoenix we should start a fan club!

Totally!  Does Joker even have his own group here? I looked earlier, but I never found one...

Deviija wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...
If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

Since there is no F/F (Asari don't count) romance in ME2 and since there are NO other human male squadmates left unrevealed, I find this difficult to see.  Love Interests in BioWare games are exclusively party companions these days.  The last NPC romance was back in NWN1.  The reason being that companions can travel with you and give dialogue and share the adventure, etc.  Jacob's the only male human on the team.  The rest are Grunt, Mordin, Thane, and Garrus.  Aliens only.  Thus, I am certain the last LI for FemSheps is alien. 

Excecpt all romantic conversations from ME1 occured back on the Normandy. If it remains the same in ME2, then there should be no issue.

Nozybidaj wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

It also ties into the equal amounts of love interests. MaleShep has two human love interests already listed with the third a mystery. FemShep has one human and one alien love interests. If we take that they can only have three apiece, and that the amount of human-to-alien ratio is the same for each gender, then MaleShep's remaining love interest in an alien, and FemShep's love interest is human. That's just how I see it.

If (and I think this is a rather large "if") we assume this is true then who would the second human FemShep LI be?

I've said Joker, and really he's the only one. Maybe TIM, as some have suggested, but I doubt that. Honestly, the only two things that could fill that gap are Garrus and Joker, and who gets the spot in your eyes depends on how you look at what's given to you. I see Joker, some see Garrus.

[Nozybidaj]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

@ Nozybidaj -> You didn't read the thread, did you? Joker!!!

I did not read the entire thread, no.  If it is Joker though it still ruins his symmetry idea.  Then MaleShep has 3 sqaud mate LI's and FemShep has 2 Squad Mate LI's and a Crew Mate LI.   I think that is more unlikely than having a diffrence in the ratio of human to alien romances across gender.

[Inverness Moon]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

The online community is a small, vocal part of the whole community. To base everything they do on what we few say would be ridiculous. They can take cues from us, sure, and they have. I think that's why they made Thane. They saw that we were not adverse to such a pairing, and deicded to make a more humanoid version, one that would get more use and more fans across the board.

If BioWare is not listening to (only) the online community then where else would they go to for information on how to improve the game for Mass Effect 2?

But either way, the support for Tali and Garrus was--and still is--very strong. BioWare devs have said they were surprised at the popularity of the characters, meaning they have taken note of it. Creating Thane to take the place of Garrus would be like a slap in the face to everyone who wanted Garrus as a love interest. I doubt BioWare is so callous. I also don't see why BioWare would want or need to "make a more humanoid version" when that is not what people asked for. But more relevant is that most of those people are interested in Garrus because he is Garrus, not because he is an alien or turian or whatever. Your comment seems to completely disregard this as if Garrus fans will give a damn about Thane just because BioWare created him as a male alien love interest.

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Actually, I think I see it balanced because I find symmetry far more appealing. If FemShep gets two aliens and MaleShep gets only one, it'll bug me. It bugged me in ME1 that MaleShep got two female(esque) interests while FemShep had one male and female(esque). Although I won't lie--the hope that Joker could be the last interest probably is making it hard for me to be unbiased.

I doesn't bug me in the least and I don't see why it would bug anyone else.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:49 .

[SarEnyaDor]

http://social.bioware.com/group/1149



He does now!!

[Phate Phoenix]

Nozybidaj wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

@ Nozybidaj -> You didn't read the thread, did you? Joker!!!

I did not read the entire thread, no.  If it is Joker though it still ruins his symmetry idea.  Then MaleShep has 3 sqaud mate LI's and FemShep has 2 Squad Mate LI's and a Crew Mate LI.   I think that is more unlikely than having a diffrence in the ratio of human to alien romances across gender.

You know, that's completely true.  Now this is going to bug me. Thanks, guys.

Inverness Moon wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

The online community is a small, vocal part of the whole community. To base everything they do on what we few say would be ridiculous. They can take cues from us, sure, and they have. I think that's why they made Thane. They saw that we were not adverse to such a pairing, and deicded to make a more humanoid version, one that would get more use and more fans across the board.

If BioWare is not listening to (only) the online community then where else would they go to for information on how to improve the game for Mass Effect 2?

But either way, the support for Tali and Garrus was very strong. BioWare devs have said they were surprised at the popularity of the characters. Creating Thane to take the place of Garrus would be like a slap in the face to everyone who wanted Garrus as a love interest. I doubt BioWare is so callous. I also don't see why BioWare would want or need to "make a more humanoid version" when that is not what people asked for. But more relevant is that most of those people are interested in Garrus because he is Garrus, not because he is an alien or turian or whatever. Your comment seems to completely disregard this as if Garrus fans will give a damn about Thane just because BioWare created him as a male alien love interest.

My point is that Bioware can't just what we've said as the truth of the whole. They can't just assume that people aren't going to be freaked out by the large, metal-covered alien with twitching mandibles coming onto them. I wouldn't, but it's probably not a popular opinion throughout the whole community, simply because it is here They can't take a risk like that. So, they make Thane, which is midway between NonHuman and Human.

I'm not saying that it makes sense, but marketing wise it's a safe practice. If they're wary about giving us Garrus, they meet us half-way with Thane instead. Otherwise, creating Thane makes no sense to me at all. It's not like Bioware needed to make a new species.

Inverness Moon wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Actually, I think I see it balanced because I find symmetry far more appealing. If FemShep gets two aliens and MaleShep gets only one, it'll bug me. It bugged me in ME1 that MaleShep got two female(esque) interests while FemShep had one male and female(esque). Although I won't lie--the hope that Joker could be the last interest probably is making it hard for me to be unbiased.

I doesn't bug me in the least and I don't see why it would bug anyone else.

We can just say I'm kind of a freak about these things.

SarEnyaDor wrote...

http://social.bioware.com/group/1149

He does now!!

Hurray! I'm so joining!

Modifié par Phate Phoenix, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:06 .

[shinobi602]

I have a big hunch that Joker is a female love interest as well.

[Phate Phoenix]

EDIT: Double post. Kind of.

Modifié par Phate Phoenix, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:05 .