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[TheButterflyEffect]

Goddamn, I hate their stupid secret keeping. Some of the things they keep from people actually cause a lot of harm.

I wanted the option to go around screaming out all of their freaking secrets in Origins and let everyone know the grim truth behind their ridiculous illusions...

Like the Broodmothers.

I'm dead serious. In the Dwarf Noble origin, sealing a female Dwarf Noble in the Deep Roads was a much more seriously bad, bad, bad, BAD idea for them than they realize: she wouldn't have simply been "overwhelmed and killed". In all likelihood, if the Grey Wardens hadn't been there, she'd have been taken and turned into a Broodmother.

And since all of the potential Warden characters exist in the story regardless, with the chosen origin character only being recruited because Duncan happened to be in the right place at the right time... there is a good chance that that is exactly what happened to her.

So clearly even the Dwarves don't know about Broodmothers. Or they would be a hell of a lot more cautious about letting any woman who is not a Grey Warden set foot in the Deep Roads. They'd certainly never, ever let one go in there alone and unarmed. Heck, since dwarven society is so male dominated, they'd probably ban women from the Deep Roads altogether. Thousands of new darkspawn being born is bad news for everyone... but it is most especially bad for the dwarves.

There's no way the Grey Wardens, in the thousand years that they have existed, could not know about Broodmothers. I refuse to believe it.

Seriously, the Grey Wardens need to stop hiding crap like that. In the end, it will only make their fight more difficult, if nothing else. And make a lot more people suffer.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 25 novembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[Garadex]

Did you even play Awakenings? Our first encounter with Sigrun tells us that the Dwarves know exactly how Broodmothers are created. In Kal Hirol The Legion specifically launched an assault on Kal Hirol to eliminate the Broodmothers producing an army there. But if the general public discovered what happened to women during the blight there would be even more mass hysteria because the Darkspawn were coming to take their women and turn them into monsters.

Some secrets should remain buried where they are and only revealed when theres no other choice. Like Corypheus. Can you imagine the uproar throughout Thedas if the Wardens suddenly announced they had an original Magister locked up in the Vimmark Mountains? Or the Locations of the Old Gods? Or the face theres intelligent Darkspawn running around in the Deep? And who knows what else is kept secret for the greater good?

That sort of stuff incites panic and Mayhem and incites hatred the Wardens cannot afford to have against them. Best to keep that stuff quiet and only reveal it on a need to know basis only. They even keep secrets from their own lower ranking members of the wardens.

Just because it would be easier to tell people what the big secrets are about what is happening are does not make it right. Not just the Grey Wardens have secrets they defend at all costs. The Chantry and the Templars both have secrets they would do everything within their power to keep from getting out into the world. Need to know keeps people safe and keeps the general public from finding out secrets that could cause some major damage to both the Organization and to countries in general.

So Yes. I am of the opinion that full disclosure would be even worse than keeping the secret for the Wardens in the short and long term. Short term they would lose support. Long term they would lose recruits.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Or maybe just her order does. If the rest of dwarf society knew, then they would be absolutely mad for exiling a woman to the Deep Roads.

[In Exile]

Certain Grey Warden secrets - like an archdemon can only die if killed by a Grey Warden - are outright insane to keep secret. Even if people don't believe it, at the very least making it public might prevent some people from thinking they could win a war against the archdemon conventionally.

[elfdwarf]

and let every kingdom taint people just to kill archdemon and have million die of sickness.

[TurretSyndrome]

After playing Dragon Age: Origins, I found myself believing that the Grey Wardens are one of the worst secret keepers. Seriously, after you're done with the Joining it seems like almost everyone knows about it, sometimes a lot more than you.

In DA 2, talking about the taint and how it affects people was done so casually. It felt like the writers thought that they no longer need to avoid the mention of the subject since the player already knows almost everything about it from Origins and the books. It felt pretty cheap how they handled it, and makes the whole hush hush environment in DA:O, pointless.

Anyway, my point is, Grey Wardens suck at keeping secrets and tend to let a lot of information slip. And as far as keeping the Broodmother origins a secret, I think it's fair. You don't want idiot peasants butchering the women during Darkspawn attacks(even if it does help a lot).

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 25 novembre 2013 - 01:56 .

[DeathScepter]

Secrets are best kept a Secret. IF the Grey Wardens told the truth about everything, it will bite them in the ass. Less said the better about the knowledge of the darkspawn.

[Spectre slayer]

I think it's going to bite them in the ass since we already know they are acting very suspicious and that they have way to many secrets, and some of them probably won't remain secrets since we will be targeting them in DAI.
This is from the cover story awhile back.

Who could orchestrate such a plan? What purpose does it serve? Why did it succeed? To answer these troubling questions, player's reinstate the inquisition, an ancient organization that answers to no outside power.
Setting its sights on all involved parties- the chantry- the grey wardens- the orleasians- the inquisition puts aside petty politics and extracts answers. Of course once you get to the bottom of the mystery, you still need to address the issue of the breach.

They also mention that we will either get full or partial resolution to what's going on with the wardens and what they're doing.

The question is just how much will be revealed and what their exact role is in DAI, are they friend or foe or will it depend on what we find out about them since we can investigate pretty much everyone freely though they can choose not to cooperate with us or oppose us.

[Killdren88]

Best they just tell everything they know after a Blight has ended. Giving people plenty of time to get over their fear before the next one. If given the option My Warden would have came clean with everything.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm pretty sure this detail was simply overlooked, especially since the male and female origins are pretty much the same except for city elf.

[thats1evildude]

"Join the Grey Wardens! Roughly one-third of our recruits die during our initiation process, but if you survive, you'll be immune to the taint and can sense darkspawn! Of course, the darkspawn can also sense you, and your immunity only lasts a maximum of thirty years before you become a ghoul and you have to march into the Deep Roads and die. But only we can slay the Archdemon and end the Blight! Yes, the Grey Warden who slays the Archdemon also dies in the process, but surely any accolades you might have received are outweighed by ... hello? Where are you all going?"

[Killdren88]

thats1evildude wrote...

"Join the Grey Wardens! Roughly one-third of our recruits die during our initiation process, but if you survive, you'll be immune to the taint and can sense darkspawn! Of course, the darkspawn can also sense you, and your immunity only lasts a maximum of thirty years before you become a ghoul and you have to march into the Deep Roads and die. But only we can slay the Archdemon and end the Blight! Yes, the Grey Warden who slays the Archdemon also dies in the process, but surely any accolades you might have received are outweighed by ... hello? Where are you all going?"

That will be expected but people are smart enough to realize the need. There will be plenty of volunteers.

Plus, I'd wager if the Qunari knew this I say they would be the only collective group who would understand the need for it and they would be on board with it,

[thats1evildude]

You have a higher estimation of people than I do. The Wardens have trouble finding recruits now, and all people know about them is that they're a great order of warriors who have ended the Blight four times. If the wider public got wind of the Wardens' secrets, membership would drop to a handful of Wardens in each nation.

[Angrywolves]

don't agree with butterfly . I rarely do.
Since I believe Corypheus and Dumat have corrupted or possessed
wardens and that will be a big problem for the Inquisitor in DAI, if true, then butterfly's rant is useless and insignificant.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Killdren88 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

"Join the Grey Wardens! Roughly one-third of our recruits die during our initiation process, but if you survive, you'll be immune to the taint and can sense darkspawn! Of course, the darkspawn can also sense you, and your immunity only lasts a maximum of thirty years before you become a ghoul and you have to march into the Deep Roads and die. But only we can slay the Archdemon and end the Blight! Yes, the Grey Warden who slays the Archdemon also dies in the process, but surely any accolades you might have received are outweighed by ... hello? Where are you all going?"

That will be expected but people are smart enough to realize the need. There will be plenty of volunteers.

Plus, I'd wager if the Qunari knew this I say they would be the only collective group who would understand the need for it and they would be on board with it,

And I'm sure they'd be eager to fight the darkspawn no matter what, since they take their females and twist them into Broodmothers that gives birth to Ogres. We never get to hear their opinion on the matter, but likely, they would loathe it with every fibre of their being. Like they do with a lot of things.

By the way, unless darkspawn emerge from their Broodmothers in a smaller infant or larvae form, Qunari Broodmothers must grow to be absolutely massive. Like, WAY bigger than any of the Broodmothers we've seen so far. There's no way a fully mature Ogre could come out of a Broodmother the same size as the one encountered in Origins. That's pretty scary..

Also, I wonder how the spawn come out of their dear old mums... I think it would be weird if they laid eggs, since obviously all of DA's sapient races are mammals...

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 25 novembre 2013 - 04:00 .

[thats1evildude]

Newborn darkspawn apparently look a bit like the Children from Awakening, but smaller.

[thats1evildude]

According to World of Thedas, broodmothers birth litters of twenty to fifty darkspawn at once.

[leaguer of one]

thats1evildude wrote...

According to World of Thedas, broodmothers birth litters of twenty to fifty darkspawn at once.

.. And just like that my female elf warden's nightmares about broodmothers are back.

[Todd23]

I know how you feel. But at least it did give you the option to warn all your recruits before they made there final decision in Awakening (it never effected there decision).

[badboy64]

The GW should be able to keep secrets to themselves as does other organizations does in Thedas. Do you think every organization should go and plain tell the public everything it does behind their backs? Everybody has dirty secrets that they don't want anybody to know. They are kept secret for a reason.

Modifié par badboy64, 25 novembre 2013 - 04:46 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

But most things, they don't have a logical reason to keep secrets.

Like a Grey Warden being the only person who can slay an Archdemon... and Broodmothers.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Didn't David Gaider say that the Grey Wardens didn't know the origin of Broodmothers until the Hero of Ferelden found out? Admittedly that doesn't really make sense to me but still...

[fiveforchaos]

In Exile wrote...

Certain Grey Warden secrets - like an archdemon can only die if killed by a Grey Warden - are outright insane to keep secret. Even if people don't believe it, at the very least making it public might prevent some people from thinking they could win a war against the archdemon conventionally.

Actually, the fact that an archdemon can only be killed by a Grey Warden is fairly well known throughout Thedas. What isn't known is why this is the case.

[Silfren]

fiveforchaos wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Certain Grey Warden secrets - like an archdemon can only die if killed by a Grey Warden - are outright insane to keep secret. Even if people don't believe it, at the very least making it public might prevent some people from thinking they could win a war against the archdemon conventionally.

Actually, the fact that an archdemon can only be killed by a Grey Warden is fairly well known throughout Thedas. What isn't known is why this is the case.

I think most people probably aren't clear on that point, actually.  Since most people are unaware that the reason a Grey Warden is needed is because of the reincarnative ability otherwise, I don't think so.  Most people probably just think that Grey Wardens are specialized for the job but figure anyone with a sword and the right circumstances could kill it.

Alistair remarks that Cailan had planned to kill the archdemon himself, using his father's sword, which would indicate he was unaware that only Wardens could do it.

[Silfren]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Didn't David Gaider say that the Grey Wardens didn't know the origin of Broodmothers until the Hero of Ferelden found out? Admittedly that doesn't really make sense to me but still...

He did indeed, I just read that post yesterday.  He said that Wardens were aware of broodmothers but not of how they came to be. 

What's weird is that in the same post Gaider indicates that he himself had never considered the idea of female Wardens being dragged off to become broodmothers, which is mind-boggling.  Given how often the point is raised that there have never been very many women in the ranks of Grey Wardens, I think most people had assumed that THAT was the reason for it, since it would make sense.  (Actually it wouldn't, because you'd think that Wardens would have a strict no-women policy if there was a significant risk of such women being twisted into broodmothers).  Though I would think that the notorious Grey Warden infertility might be a way of getting around it.