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[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

DON"T BE HATIN' ON SLURPUFF. THE SUPREME RULER OF ALL 'MONS.

Gurl, please. Gardevoir is much more fabulous.

ONLY IF MALE.

Exactly. But the Mega Gardevoir is where its at.

[ObserverStatus]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...
Ewww!!! Pepsi tastes like a flat Coke. Just open a can of Coke and put it in the fridge overnight and in the morning, viola! Pepsi. NASTY.

Gurl, Coke be tasting like some syrupy stuff. I feel like I need to brush my teeth after drinking it. 

You really should brush your teeth immediately after drinking coke, otherwise you're just rubbing the phosphoric acid into them. Drink some milk or wait for a little while first.

Thank you for the tip. 
And I just had to post this, lol.

Aw wait, crap, I meant to type that you shouldn't brush your teeth immediately after drinking coke, hope everyone caught that.

[Ianamus]

Plaintiff wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one.

He mentions wanting a "pretty girl" in Awakening, so obviously he's straight, all straight and nothing but straight.

"OH MAH GAAAAAAH, ANDERZEZEZEZ. U SAY U LIKE APPLES LAST GAME. Y U EET ORANGE NAO?"

If you play a male Hawke in Dragon Age 2 then Anders goes from showing attraction to women to showing absolutely no attraction to women at all and appearing to be attracted only to men. Meanwhile if your playing a female Hawke he shows no sign in being attracted to men, and his relationship with karl never happened. 

Modifié par EJ107, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:31 .

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!  *DRINKS GENERIC ROOT BEER*

[Hellion Rex]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...
No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

They're the same thing though...

I swear my allegiance to alcohol.

Really Plaintiff, bring this back on topic or I will report it.

Are you the thread police, or something? This is a pretty tame thread.

Modifié par eluvianix, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:32 .

[sandalisthemaker]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...
No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

They're the same thing though...

I swear my allegiance to alcohol.

Really Plaintiff, bring this back on topic or I will report it.

Lmao. This hasn't been on topic for the last 5 pages or so.

[Texhnolyze101]

I don't know whats going on anymore...

[Nightdragon8]

Hazegurl wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...
IMHO both romances even though short were done well

I thought it happened way too fast.  He finally gets over his dead husband and THE VERY NEXT CONVERSATION you can hop into bed with him.

Umm..more like he tells you at the beginning of the game, and you sleep with him at the second to last level of a VERY long game.

He still got over that guy way to fast though.

We don't know how long Cortez's husband was dead. But it happened around the Collector invasion so he was dead for perhaps a year or nearly a year before Cortez meets Shepard. Then ME3 spanned several more months. I admit that they could have given us more dialogue, time with Cortez about his husband etc. But it's not like he got over him the day after he died.

we know exactly when it happens really, its farris feilds, if you go into the crew corders or its mentioned on the way to the cockpit, that it was hit, it happens pretty much after the first 2 recuit misisons.

So been dead about a year.

Also from what I can gather Cortez was getting over it but he couldn't let go fully. And it wasn't until he gave up the reocrding that he got over it.

Also considering the lehnth of time really is never felt or told to us, but by the time you sleep with him it's probably been a few months.

[Silfren]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I'll just throw my opinion on the "playersexuality" thing in here:

I love the choice it gave, but I personally don't like playersexuality as a concept. If Anders is straight if Hawke is female and gay if Hawke is male then what is Anders if there is no Hawke at all?

Characters should be able to exist entirely on their own right without the player character. I would have preferred it if all of the LI's were just explicitly or hinted at being bisexual, rather than their orientation changing based on Hawk's gender.

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one. 

It's totally a thing, and as Plaintiff pointed out, sexuality is just a lot more fluid than either/or/both.  For some of us it is much too complicated to fit into even the neat little box of "bi."

[sandalisthemaker]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't know whats going on anymore...

Best to back away now, hun.

*Twerking intensifies*

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I'll just throw my opinion on the "playersexuality" thing in here:

I love the choice it gave, but I personally don't like playersexuality as a concept. If Anders is straight if Hawke is female and gay if Hawke is male then what is Anders if there is no Hawke at all?

Characters should be able to exist entirely on their own right without the player character. I would have preferred it if all of the LI's were just explicitly or hinted at being bisexual, rather than their orientation changing based on Hawk's gender.

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one. 

It's totally a thing, and as Plaintiff pointed out, sexuality is just a lot more fluid than either/or/both.  For some of us it is much too complicated to fit into even the neat little box of "bi."

The joys of people needing labels into which we can easily be compartmentalized...

[Ianamus]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one. 

They weren't shown as bisexual though. That's the point.

That doesn't define them as straight, though. If I kiss a girl, people will think I'm straight. Are they wrong? Yes. Does it make me less of a believable person? I don't think so.

If Hawke is male then Anders was in a romantic relationship with a male charcter, Karl, and this is made very clear. If, however, Hawke is female then Anders and Karl were not in a relationship, and he is only shown as a friend of Anders. 

It's clear that if Hawke is female Anders is being portrayed as straight, or they would not have gone through the trouble of changing the nature of his and Karl's relationship.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We spend a lot of time around Anders in Awakening. He flirts only with a female Warden. He mentions liking women more than once. Quite often in fact. He never shows any interest in men whatsoever in all the same time in any playthrough of version of circumtances. In Dragon Age 2 he (often) hints on Male Hawke right away and apparently had been lovers with a male mage for that entire time already.

I suppose he doesn't go and outright state that he isn't attracted to men but in my opinion, fictional characters don't need to have have their sexuality explicitly spelled out for people to reasonable believe they are straight, gay or bi. Anders is a character who's part is big enough that I believe we are able to get a good sense of that.

This doesn't apply to only Dragon Age characters or straight characters. I've argued the same about gay characters too.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:40 .

[Silfren]

bobobo878 wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...
Ewww!!! Pepsi tastes like a flat Coke. Just open a can of Coke and put it in the fridge overnight and in the morning, viola! Pepsi. NASTY.

Gurl, Coke be tasting like some syrupy stuff. I feel like I need to brush my teeth after drinking it. 

You really shouldn't brush your teeth immediately after drinking coke, otherwise you're just rubbing the phosphoric acid into them. Drink some milk or wait for a little while first.

Or use a straw....or better yet avoid that crap altogether. 

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Hazegurl wrote...
We don't know how long Cortez's husband was dead. But it happened around the Collector invasion so he was dead for perhaps a year or nearly a year before Cortez meets Shepard. Then ME3 spanned several more months. I admit that they could have given us more dialogue, time with Cortez about his husband etc. But it's not like he got over him the day after he died.

When you first meet him he's clready NOT over his husband.  The time you meet him versus the time you start a relationship with him is way too close together.  Not to mention you can only tell him you like him as soon as you permanently lock on your relationship with him at the club.  They really should have given you one or two conversations after he moves on to flirt with him or talk to him outside his dead husband baggage. 

Samantha has the same problem.  You have two or three short conversations and then you can join her in the shower for some sexytimes.  Instead of treating it as a fling, the game assumes that to mean TRU LUV.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:40 .

[ParkBom]

Silfren wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...
Ewww!!! Pepsi tastes like a flat Coke. Just open a can of Coke and put it in the fridge overnight and in the morning, viola! Pepsi. NASTY.

Gurl, Coke be tasting like some syrupy stuff. I feel like I need to brush my teeth after drinking it. 

You really shouldn't brush your teeth immediately after drinking coke, otherwise you're just rubbing the phosphoric acid into them. Drink some milk or wait for a little while first.

Or use a straw....or better yet avoid that crap altogether. 

I hear that straws lead to wrinkles around the lips...

But yeah, green tea is usually my choice of drink at night. (Mainly because I need the energy but hate coffee...)

[ParkBom]

EJ107 wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one. 

They weren't shown as bisexual though. That's the point.

That doesn't define them as straight, though. If I kiss a girl, people will think I'm straight. Are they wrong? Yes. Does it make me less of a believable person? I don't think so.

If Hawke is male then Anders was in a romantic relationship with a male charcter, Karl, and this is made very clear. If, however, Hawke is female then Anders and Karl were not in a relationship, and he is only shown as a friend of Anders. 

It's clear that if Hawke is female Anders is being portrayed as straight, or they would not have gone through the trouble of changing the nature of his and Karl's relationship.

But that's only if Hawke is a female. You can't just disregard what happens when Hawke is a male.

[Ryzaki]

EJ107 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one.

He mentions wanting a "pretty girl" in Awakening, so obviously he's straight, all straight and nothing but straight.

"OH MAH GAAAAAAH, ANDERZEZEZEZ. U SAY U LIKE APPLES LAST GAME. Y U EET ORANGE NAO?"

If you play a male Hawke in Dragon Age 2 then Anders goes from showing attraction to women to showing absolutely no attraction to women at all and appearing to be attracted only to men. Meanwhile if your playing a female Hawke he shows no sign in being attracted to men, and his relationship with karl never happened. 

Someone clearly didn't listen to Isabela's and Anders banter.

[Ianamus]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

It's totally a thing, and as Plaintiff pointed out, sexuality is just a lot more fluid than either/or/both.  For some of us it is much too complicated to fit into even the neat little box of "bi."

The joys of people needing labels into which we can easily be compartmentalized...

This is a completely ridiculous argument to the subject at hand, though. 

"The gender I show anything resembling attraction to and the nature of my past relationships differs based on the gender of this new person I just met" Isn't exactly a complexity of real-life sexuality.

[ParkBom]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

We spend a lot of time around Anders in Awakening. He flirts only with a female Warden. He mentions liking women more than once. Quite often in fact. He never shows any interest in men whatsoever in all the same time in any playthrough of version of circumtances. In Dragon Age 2 he (often) hints on Male Hawke right away and apparently had been lovers with a male mage for that entire time already.

I suppose he doesn't go and outright state that he isn't attracted to men but in my opinion, fictional characters don't need to have have their sexuality explicitly spelled out for people to reasonable believe they are straight, gay or bi. Anders is a character who's part is big enough that I believe we are able to get a good sense of that.

This doesn't apply to only Dragon Age characters or straight characters. I've argued the same about gay characters too.

Other than a small comment and flirting with the fmeale Warden, what proof is there that he is straight-up straight? (Lol) Seriously though, perhaps he just wasn't interested in a male Warden or wasn't secure about his sexuality at the time. Either way, I don't think that his sexuality really has a lot to do with his character arc so I see no reason why it needs to be spelled out.

[Plaintiff]

EJ107 wrote...
They don't exist "outside of our societial construction of sexuality"- they have relatively clear and defined sexualities. That just so happen to rely entirely on what gender Hawke is.

Obviously they don't have any such thing, since you're struggling to define them right now. You're insistent on placing the characters in clearly marked boxes, but the fact is you can't, because they flout those restrictions with their ability to change. There is no label for them, they stand apart, like many people do in real life.

And besides, sexuality is no more a "societal construction" than personality.

'Personality' is also socially constructed. Society sorts people into groups and labels them based on what they perceive as the dominant traits of their being, but not everyone can be classified in that manner.

Both are dynamic, fluid, intrinsic to who we are, and very real.

You don't seem to understand what a social construct is. Saying that something is socially constructed is not the same as saying it doesn't exist. Genre, gender, personality and sexuality are all real. But they are all also socially constructed.

Sexuality is very much real, but the labels we use to understand it; 'straight', 'gay', 'bisexual', 'pansexual' and so on are all social constructs, society's attempt  to lump individuals together into categories, for convenience. And the reason we keep making more labels is because, time and time again, the previous labels have proven to be inadequate. And they always will be. There will never be enough labels.

In the same way that Hawke's existence should not immediately alter the companions personalities, so too should it not alter their sexualities.

Hawke's existence doesn't alter their sexualities, their sexuality is always nebulous. You're just assuming that, because they show interest in a Hawke of a particular gender, their potential interest in Hawkes of other genders (or in other people generally) suddenly disappears.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:46 .

[ParkBom]

Ryzaki wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one.

He mentions wanting a "pretty girl" in Awakening, so obviously he's straight, all straight and nothing but straight.

"OH MAH GAAAAAAH, ANDERZEZEZEZ. U SAY U LIKE APPLES LAST GAME. Y U EET ORANGE NAO?"

If you play a male Hawke in Dragon Age 2 then Anders goes from showing attraction to women to showing absolutely no attraction to women at all and appearing to be attracted only to men. Meanwhile if your playing a female Hawke he shows no sign in being attracted to men, and his relationship with karl never happened. 

Someone clearly didn't listen to Isabela's and Anders banter.

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

Nice catch, gurl

[Silfren]

EJ107 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

As said previously, LelianaxF!Warden had hella less content than LelianaxM!Warden. I was alright with how DA:O handled it. However, I preferred DA2's method.

Also, how does Anders being bisexual make no sense? How does that make him seem unreal? Defining a character as straight or gay doesn't flesh out characters as much as you emphasize. Lol, as said before, bisexuality is a thing. Trust me on that one.

He mentions wanting a "pretty girl" in Awakening, so obviously he's straight, all straight and nothing but straight.

"OH MAH GAAAAAAH, ANDERZEZEZEZ. U SAY U LIKE APPLES LAST GAME. Y U EET ORANGE NAO?"

If you play a male Hawke in Dragon Age 2 then Anders goes from showing attraction to women to showing absolutely no attraction to women at all and appearing to be attracted only to men. Meanwhile if your playing a female Hawke he shows no sign in being attracted to men, and his relationship with karl never happened. 

True story: I grew up identifying as straight.  Then I discovered an attraction to certain types of women, and eventually I identified as bi, with a preference for men.  Fast forward years and several experiences later, I have a more or less 50/50 split in attraction to men and women, but a solid and non-negotiable preference for women. 

People who can't appreciate the fluidity of sexual orientation--or who can't separate the difference between what a person will or won't be attracted to versus who they're willing to actually sleep with/form a relationship with may have a hard time finding that believable, but that speaks to those people, not the reality of sexual expression.

Also, it's better to say, if as a female Hawke, that you never LEARN of Anders' relationship with Karl, not that it didn't happen.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah I never thought Hawke's gender is supposed to change what happened with Anders and Karl before he met Hawke.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:45 .