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[In Exile]

Statare wrote...
It is a tough balance. I think it can be a little bizarre to have same sex relations treated like a 'non-issue'. And that is part of the problem, in my opinion. You have these relations with a character of the same sex, you hardly ever talk about it with them in the romance or scenes from the straight romance that were cut and so there are these weird 'gaps', and the only time your sexuality is even brought up is by a bigoted character. The result is kind of a 'taboo' on talking positively about non-straight sexuality.

Well, why would you talk about it when it's actually a non-issue? It's not as if straight people talk about their straightness... well, ever. 

I mentioned this earlier, but Isabela talks to a male Hawke in a relationship with Anders and endearingly talks to Hawke about the joys of good sex in which the 'passive' role is not treated as lessor. 

I never had an M!Hawke + Anders romance, but that to me sounds like assuming Anders is the top which I'd personally take issue with (or rather, I think the game starts trampling a bit on agency when it gets into what the player + LI actually does). So while I get the idea you're trying to get across, I'm not sure this would be the best way of doing it in the future. 

[Statare]

Reznore57 wrote...

Statare wrote...

For instance, for a male Hawke you can already be in a s/s romance (I bet this is true for female Hawke too), and your mother in Act 2 will say "now all that's left is to find you a wife (probably husband for female)". It's left for the player to either disavow that in their head, headcanon it, or ignore it. It is ambiguous content that assumes normalcy for a straight Hawke and gives no recourse for a non-straight Hawke. It's a bit weird, that a non-straight Hawke never gets to tell their mamá querida that she should quit looking. It's a subtle issue, that to me is a bit trivializing and assuming of either a heterosexual or silenced queer subjectivity. Does that make sense?

Playing a straight Hawke , I also wasn't really happy with Leandra 's wedding plans.
It's not wierd at all even if you're gay , arranged marriage are not about what you want or what you like.
It's about having heir , and getting more powerful by having family ties with another rich noble family.

But supposedly Thedas is more accepting of non-heterosexual sexuality, so it could be an issue of assuming a real world response to a Thedosian institution. Also, since the Tevinter Empire correlates with real world Byzantine Rome, it should be mentioned that that real-world empire had same-sex marriages to exchange property and lineage, so why can't Thedas, if Thedas is less heteronormative especially? So, to me it still seems like falling back on the whole trope of the explicit heterosexual and the implicit homosexual.

[Statare]

In Exile wrote...

Statare wrote...
It is a tough balance. I think it can be a little bizarre to have same sex relations treated like a 'non-issue'. And that is part of the problem, in my opinion. You have these relations with a character of the same sex, you hardly ever talk about it with them in the romance or scenes from the straight romance that were cut and so there are these weird 'gaps', and the only time your sexuality is even brought up is by a bigoted character. The result is kind of a 'taboo' on talking positively about non-straight sexuality.

Well, why would you talk about it when it's actually a non-issue? It's not as if straight people talk about their straightness... well, ever. 

I mentioned this earlier, but Isabela talks to a male Hawke in a relationship with Anders and endearingly talks to Hawke about the joys of good sex in which the 'passive' role is not treated as lessor. 

I never had an M!Hawke + Anders romance, but that to me sounds like assuming Anders is the top which I'd personally take issue with (or rather, I think the game starts trampling a bit on agency when it gets into what the player + LI actually does). So while I get the idea you're trying to get across, I'm not sure this would be the best way of doing it in the future. 

Straight people talk about their love life a lot and often times never think twice about whether they should or not. I'm not saying that a character should talk about their homosexuality but their sexuality. Does that make sense? If a same sex romance is never talked about by characters, but a heterosexual romance with the same character is mentioned, that is a problem. Maybe I was not clear. And clearly in Thedas homosexuality is an 'issue' if you have bigots. So you have gay positive characters being quiet but bigots being vocal. So there is an imbalance.

In the conversation with Isabela, you can tell her a number of things. I don't think the interaction with her is perfect, but it was surprisingly accepting. Usually passive gender roles are treated poorly. If you want your Hawke to be a pitcher, sure, maybe you should be able to make a joke about that to Isabela. I brought it up because it was a form of sex positivity rarely encounterd, and that of a positivity of stereotypically devalued gender roles.

[ignoreality]

SergeantSnookie wrote...
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Well, we're pretty much just talking about Zevran here, because the F/F Leliana romance got pretty much 0 acknowledgment in party banter.

I betcha they're all thinking about it, though.

Quietly. 

Probably in their tents. 

Oghren: "I'll be in my bunk".

Modifié par ignoreality, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:53 .

[In Exile]

Statare wrote...
Straight people talk about their love life a lot and often times never think twice about whether they should or not. I'm not saying that a character should talk about their homosexuality but their sexuality. Does that make sense? If a same sex romance is never talked about by characters, but a heterosexual romance with the same character is mentioned, that is a problem. Maybe I was not clear. And clearly in Thedas homosexuality is an 'issue' if you have bigots. So you have gay positive characters being quiet but bigots being vocal. So there is an imbalance.

I understand what you mean now. I didn't quite understand the first time around. I think the way I'd like to see it is conversations about things that would sorround societal restrains. For example, M!Hawke and Merril can talk about children and associated stigma (though briefly). I think you could have a similar conversation with S/S relationships.

In the conversation with Isabela, you can tell her a number of things. I don't think the interaction with her is perfect, but it was surprisingly accepting. Usually passive gender roles are treated poorly. If you want your Hawke to be a pitcher, sure, maybe you should be able to make a joke about that to Isabela. I brought it up because it was a form of sex positivity rarely encounterd, and that of a positivity of stereotypically devalued gender roles.

I understand what you mean, and I agree with you that generally that the interaction (as you describe it) is a good thing and we should have more messages along those lines in the game. My point was just more generally that these type of conversations should be aware of not conveying the protagonist as doing a certain kind of thing.

It was actually a problem I had with the DA:O animations too, re: an M/M romance with Zevran. There are certain things that are just too far from my baseline to RP. 

[Statare]

In Exile wrote...

Statare wrote...
Straight people talk about their love life a lot and often times never think twice about whether they should or not. I'm not saying that a character should talk about their homosexuality but their sexuality. Does that make sense? If a same sex romance is never talked about by characters, but a heterosexual romance with the same character is mentioned, that is a problem. Maybe I was not clear. And clearly in Thedas homosexuality is an 'issue' if you have bigots. So you have gay positive characters being quiet but bigots being vocal. So there is an imbalance.

I understand what you mean now. I didn't quite understand the first time around. I think the way I'd like to see it is conversations about things that would sorround societal restrains. For example, M!Hawke and Merril can talk about children and associated stigma (though briefly). I think you could have a similar conversation with S/S relationships.

In the conversation with Isabela, you can tell her a number of things. I don't think the interaction with her is perfect, but it was surprisingly accepting. Usually passive gender roles are treated poorly. If you want your Hawke to be a pitcher, sure, maybe you should be able to make a joke about that to Isabela. I brought it up because it was a form of sex positivity rarely encounterd, and that of a positivity of stereotypically devalued gender roles.

I understand what you mean, and I agree with you that generally that the interaction (as you describe it) is a good thing and we should have more messages along those lines in the game. My point was just more generally that these type of conversations should be aware of not conveying the protagonist as doing a certain kind of thing.

It was actually a problem I had with the DA:O animations too, re: an M/M romance with Zevran. There are certain things that are just too far from my baseline to RP. 

I had a feeling we were on the same wave-length. I'm at home on the rez for a holiday break and I feel like I'm having a hard time translating my thoughts into written English clearly.

[Reznore57]

Statare wrote...

But supposedly Thedas is more accepting of non-heterosexual sexuality, so it could be an issue of assuming a real world response to a Thedosian institution. Also, since the Tevinter Empire correlates with real world Byzantine Rome, it should be mentioned that that real-world empire had same-sex marriages to exchange property and lineage, so why can't Thedas, if Thedas is less heteronormative especially? So, to me it still seems like falling back on the whole trope of the explicit heterosexual and the implicit homosexual.

As far as I know , Thedas is accepting of gay , bisexual sexuality.
Marriage and such are a different thing though.
Alistair as a royal bastard could become king , and one of his duty is to produce an heir .He also can't marry a mage , an elf or a dwarf.
So you can't just do what you want .
But should Alistair after performing his duty (marrying a women human noble , and yeah royal babies!) take a male lover, in theory no one would bat an eye.

But for nobles , marriage are not often about love or romances , it's simply some kind of dirty business.
Even a straight person would have to wed someone he/she doesn't really like , (Alistair/Anora)

[Dhiro]

Usergnome wrote...

"So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl..." - Gamlen Amell

The game establishes early that Gamlen is a bitter scumbag, so it's important to keep this context in mind. 

Personally, I find that both games are somewhat inconsistent with how society sees same sex relationships (and gender roles)? But I feel like that's a consequence of trying to create their own lore for the world while also borrowing from assumptions of how The Good Ol' Middle Ages must have been. 

It was refreshing to see it being discussed more openly in DA II, though, especially with Isabela's positive attitude towards sex.

[WildOrchid]

Plaintiff wrote...

I know what you said. And if you do the math, your proposed model gives up to twice as many options to "straight" players. They get three straight options, plus the bisexual option. Homosexuals only get the bisexual option and the exculsive option.

There's no such thing as "pretty even". Even means "equal in number, amount or value". That means everybody gets the same amount of content. Things are either even or uneven, there is no in-between.

Why should homosexuals put up with "pretty even" anyway? Why should they get less content just because there are less of them? Why is the percentage of homosexuals in the population even relevant to this discussion at all? Is that the same logic you use for everything that homosexuals are denied? That because there aren't as many of them, they should just put up with being treated unfairly?

Oh, but I forgot. People only create 'gay' content to 'pander to a niche market', while heterosexual romances are a bold, legitimatly artistic decision that are in no way intended to increase the product's commercial appeal. After all, it's not as if homosexuality is a controversial topic that attracts criticism from many corners, and Bioware certainly doesn't put themselves at risk by including it, so their motivation couldn't possibly be that it's simply the right thing to do.

+1
And of course they'd use the lame excuse of the %. And as DAI being like ME3? No thanks, keep the ME disaster away from DA, please.

[Hazegurl]

In Exile wrote...
I never had an M!Hawke + Anders romance, but that to me sounds like assuming Anders is the top which I'd personally take issue with (or rather, I think the game starts trampling a bit on agency when it gets into what the player + LI actually does). So while I get the idea you're trying to get across, I'm not sure this would be the best way of doing it in the future. 

Well in the "love scene" with Anders he does get on top. Honestly I would have no problems with my MHawke taking the passive role in the gay relationship. But not with Fenris cause he's smaller. No offense but I like it when the bigger guy take the top role.  I do hope DAI give us a bigger or similar build guy to romance. Iron Bull, Grey Warden, or Cullen so my Inquisitor can take the more passive role.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I never had an M!Hawke + Anders romance, but that to me sounds like assuming Anders is the top which I'd personally take issue with (or rather, I think the game starts trampling a bit on agency when it gets into what the player + LI actually does). So while I get the idea you're trying to get across, I'm not sure this would be the best way of doing it in the future. 

Well in the "love scene" with Anders he does get on top. Honestly I would have no problems with my MHawke taking the passive role in the gay relationship. But not with Fenris cause he's smaller. No offense but I like it when the bigger guy take the top role.  I do hope DAI give us a bigger or similar build guy to romance. Iron Bull, Grey Warden, or Cullen so my Inquisitor can take the more passive role.

What if Iron Bull bottomed?

[Dhiro]

We clearly need a top/bottom toggle. Make it happen, BioWare.

[Statare]

Dhiro wrote...

We clearly need a top/bottom toggle. Make it happen, BioWare.

[player scrolling through the interface options]

"Let's see. Helmet off.... Top or bottom? I can't wear both?"

[Hellion Rex]

Statare wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

We clearly need a top/bottom toggle. Make it happen, BioWare.

[player scrolling through the interface options]

"Let's see. Helmet off.... Top or bottom? I can't wear both?"

[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I never had an M!Hawke + Anders romance, but that to me sounds like assuming Anders is the top which I'd personally take issue with (or rather, I think the game starts trampling a bit on agency when it gets into what the player + LI actually does). So while I get the idea you're trying to get across, I'm not sure this would be the best way of doing it in the future. 

Well in the "love scene" with Anders he does get on top. Honestly I would have no problems with my MHawke taking the passive role in the gay relationship. But not with Fenris cause he's smaller. No offense but I like it when the bigger guy take the top role.  I do hope DAI give us a bigger or similar build guy to romance. Iron Bull, Grey Warden, or Cullen so my Inquisitor can take the more passive role.

What if Iron Bull bottomed?

Oh my!

[Texhnolyze101]

WildOrchid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I know what you said. And if you do the math, your proposed model gives up to twice as many options to "straight" players. They get three straight options, plus the bisexual option. Homosexuals only get the bisexual option and the exculsive option.

There's no such thing as "pretty even". Even means "equal in number, amount or value". That means everybody gets the same amount of content. Things are either even or uneven, there is no in-between.

Why should homosexuals put up with "pretty even" anyway? Why should they get less content just because there are less of them? Why is the percentage of homosexuals in the population even relevant to this discussion at all? Is that the same logic you use for everything that homosexuals are denied? That because there aren't as many of them, they should just put up with being treated unfairly?

Oh, but I forgot. People only create 'gay' content to 'pander to a niche market', while heterosexual romances are a bold, legitimatly artistic decision that are in no way intended to increase the product's commercial appeal. After all, it's not as if homosexuality is a controversial topic that attracts criticism from many corners, and Bioware certainly doesn't put themselves at risk by including it, so their motivation couldn't possibly be that it's simply the right thing to do.

+1
And of course they'd use the lame excuse of the %. And as DAI being like ME3? No thanks, keep the ME disaster away from DA, please.

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

[Sporothrix]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I know what you said. And if you do the math, your proposed model gives up to twice as many options to "straight" players. They get three straight options, plus the bisexual option. Homosexuals only get the bisexual option and the exculsive option.

There's no such thing as "pretty even". Even means "equal in number, amount or value". That means everybody gets the same amount of content. Things are either even or uneven, there is no in-between.

Why should homosexuals put up with "pretty even" anyway? Why should they get less content just because there are less of them? Why is the percentage of homosexuals in the population even relevant to this discussion at all? Is that the same logic you use for everything that homosexuals are denied? That because there aren't as many of them, they should just put up with being treated unfairly?

Oh, but I forgot. People only create 'gay' content to 'pander to a niche market', while heterosexual romances are a bold, legitimatly artistic decision that are in no way intended to increase the product's commercial appeal. After all, it's not as if homosexuality is a controversial topic that attracts criticism from many corners, and Bioware certainly doesn't put themselves at risk by including it, so their motivation couldn't possibly be that it's simply the right thing to do.

+1
And of course they'd use the lame excuse of the %. And as DAI being like ME3? No thanks, keep the ME disaster away from DA, please.

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Definitely not female variety of it, since officially romance with Liara, as Hudson said, was "not lesbian at all", and women-only romance with Samantha in terms of development and compared to male romance with Steve, should be considered as a mere fling (yet they had time to make scenes about the lesbian NPC 'teasing' man Shep).

Modifié par misoretu9, 25 novembre 2013 - 10:13 .

[Texhnolyze101]

misoretu9 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I know what you said. And if you do the math, your proposed model gives up to twice as many options to "straight" players. They get three straight options, plus the bisexual option. Homosexuals only get the bisexual option and the exculsive option.

There's no such thing as "pretty even". Even means "equal in number, amount or value". That means everybody gets the same amount of content. Things are either even or uneven, there is no in-between.

Why should homosexuals put up with "pretty even" anyway? Why should they get less content just because there are less of them? Why is the percentage of homosexuals in the population even relevant to this discussion at all? Is that the same logic you use for everything that homosexuals are denied? That because there aren't as many of them, they should just put up with being treated unfairly?

Oh, but I forgot. People only create 'gay' content to 'pander to a niche market', while heterosexual romances are a bold, legitimatly artistic decision that are in no way intended to increase the product's commercial appeal. After all, it's not as if homosexuality is a controversial topic that attracts criticism from many corners, and Bioware certainly doesn't put themselves at risk by including it, so their motivation couldn't possibly be that it's simply the right thing to do.

+1
And of course they'd use the lame excuse of the %. And as DAI being like ME3? No thanks, keep the ME disaster away from DA, please.

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Definitely not female variety of it, since officially romance with Liara, as Hudson said, was "not lesbian at all", and women-only romance with Samantha in terms of development and compared to male romance with Steve, should be considered as a mere fling (yet they had time to make scenes about the lesbian NPC 'teasing' man Shep).

Liara is the bisexual option she was never meant to be 100% lesbian and Samantha S/S content is just as good as Steves imo plus I'm just glad they decided to add a real lesbian and a real gay guy instead of being lazy and doing it the way DA2 did it.

[Ridwan]

So now even the npcs have to worry about political correctness?

[Hellion Rex]

M25105 wrote...

So now even the npcs have to worry about political correctness?

Yup. Ain't it grand?

[Ridwan]

eluvianix wrote...

M25105 wrote...

So now even the npcs have to worry about political correctness?

Yup. Ain't it grand?

Political correctness kills the soul of diversity.

[Sporothrix]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I know what you said. And if you do the math, your proposed model gives up to twice as many options to "straight" players. They get three straight options, plus the bisexual option. Homosexuals only get the bisexual option and the exculsive option.

There's no such thing as "pretty even". Even means "equal in number, amount or value". That means everybody gets the same amount of content. Things are either even or uneven, there is no in-between.

Why should homosexuals put up with "pretty even" anyway? Why should they get less content just because there are less of them? Why is the percentage of homosexuals in the population even relevant to this discussion at all? Is that the same logic you use for everything that homosexuals are denied? That because there aren't as many of them, they should just put up with being treated unfairly?

Oh, but I forgot. People only create 'gay' content to 'pander to a niche market', while heterosexual romances are a bold, legitimatly artistic decision that are in no way intended to increase the product's commercial appeal. After all, it's not as if homosexuality is a controversial topic that attracts criticism from many corners, and Bioware certainly doesn't put themselves at risk by including it, so their motivation couldn't possibly be that it's simply the right thing to do.

+1
And of course they'd use the lame excuse of the %. And as DAI being like ME3? No thanks, keep the ME disaster away from DA, please.

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Definitely not female variety of it, since officially romance with Liara, as Hudson said, was "not lesbian at all", and women-only romance with Samantha in terms of development and compared to male romance with Steve, should be considered as a mere fling (yet they had time to make scenes about the lesbian NPC 'teasing' man Shep).

Liara is the bisexual option she was never meant to be 100% lesbian and Samantha S/S content is just as good as Steves imo plus I'm just glad they decided to add a real lesbian and a real gay guy instead of being lazy and doing it the way DA2 did it.

Liara may be bisexual, but the point is, devs claimed that romance of female character with her isn't same sex. It was back then when they were talking about "pre-defined character" and so on, just to make an excuse why there's no male-male romance, so it didn't make much sense, but the thing is, romance with Liara has been cheapened in this aspect because of it - ending up as a mere "discount lesbian" option. And they didn't bother to make it right, like to give a possibility for female Shepard to speak about it, like male Shepard could with Steve.

Instead, female Shepard, just as in ME2, was forced to flirt with male character whether we liked it or not.

And I completely disagree about Samantha. She had far less speaking dialogue than any other romance option, and lacked important scenes, like meeting-up on citadel (which, again, every other LI had).
In fact, IIRC she had more speaking dialogue with male character.

It showed that the focus was placed on "steamy" bed scene, not on romance development, completely the opposite to Steve's. Whose sexuality was treated with respect, while as I mentioned before, Traynor was mainly a tease for male character.

All of that reminds me GLAAD statistics which show that contrary to popular beliefs there's far more gay male than lesbian characters in movies.
So I think that if they made same-sex only options, it would end up like that again - underdeveloped lesbian romance, which isn't in fact made for lesbian women, and carefully developed and treated with respect option for gay men.

[Texhnolyze101]

misoretu9 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I know what you said. And if you do the math, your proposed model gives up to twice as many options to "straight" players. They get three straight options, plus the bisexual option. Homosexuals only get the bisexual option and the exculsive option.

There's no such thing as "pretty even". Even means "equal in number, amount or value". That means everybody gets the same amount of content. Things are either even or uneven, there is no in-between.

Why should homosexuals put up with "pretty even" anyway? Why should they get less content just because there are less of them? Why is the percentage of homosexuals in the population even relevant to this discussion at all? Is that the same logic you use for everything that homosexuals are denied? That because there aren't as many of them, they should just put up with being treated unfairly?

Oh, but I forgot. People only create 'gay' content to 'pander to a niche market', while heterosexual romances are a bold, legitimatly artistic decision that are in no way intended to increase the product's commercial appeal. After all, it's not as if homosexuality is a controversial topic that attracts criticism from many corners, and Bioware certainly doesn't put themselves at risk by including it, so their motivation couldn't possibly be that it's simply the right thing to do.

+1
And of course they'd use the lame excuse of the %. And as DAI being like ME3? No thanks, keep the ME disaster away from DA, please.

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Definitely not female variety of it, since officially romance with Liara, as Hudson said, was "not lesbian at all", and women-only romance with Samantha in terms of development and compared to male romance with Steve, should be considered as a mere fling (yet they had time to make scenes about the lesbian NPC 'teasing' man Shep).

Liara is the bisexual option she was never meant to be 100% lesbian and Samantha S/S content is just as good as Steves imo plus I'm just glad they decided to add a real lesbian and a real gay guy instead of being lazy and doing it the way DA2 did it.

Liara may be bisexual, but the point is, devs claimed that romance of female character with her isn't same sex. It was back then when they were talking about "pre-defined character" and so on, just to make an excuse why there's no male-male romance, so it didn't make much sense, but the thing is, romance with Liara has been cheapened in this aspect because of it - ending up as a mere "discount lesbian" option. And they didn't bother to make it right, like to give a possibility for female Shepard to speak about it, like male Shepard could with Steve.

Instead, female Shepard, just as in ME2, was forced to flirt with male character whether we liked it or not.

And I completely disagree about Samantha. She had far less speaking dialogue than any other romance option, and lacked important scenes, like meeting-up on citadel (which, again, every other LI had).
In fact, IIRC she had more speaking dialogue with male character.

It showed that the focus was placed on "steamy" bed scene, not on romance development, completely the opposite to Steve's. Whose sexuality was treated with respect, while as I mentioned before, Traynor was mainly a tease for male character.

All of that reminds me GLAAD statistics which show that contrary to popular beliefs there's far more gay male than lesbian characters in movies.
So I think that if they made same-sex only options, it would end up like that again - underdeveloped lesbian romance, which isn't in fact made for lesbian women, and carefully developed and treated with respect option for gay men.

I can kinda see what you mean now but hopefully Bioware fixes this problem in DA3 and ME4 i just hope they don't go the DA2 way again.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I never had an M!Hawke + Anders romance, but that to me sounds like assuming Anders is the top which I'd personally take issue with (or rather, I think the game starts trampling a bit on agency when it gets into what the player + LI actually does). So while I get the idea you're trying to get across, I'm not sure this would be the best way of doing it in the future. 

Well in the "love scene" with Anders he does get on top. Honestly I would have no problems with my MHawke taking the passive role in the gay relationship. But not with Fenris cause he's smaller. No offense but I like it when the bigger guy take the top role.  I do hope DAI give us a bigger or similar build guy to romance. Iron Bull, Grey Warden, or Cullen so my Inquisitor can take the more passive role.

What if Iron Bull bottomed?

Oh my!

I know, right! That would be pretty interesting.

[Hellion Rex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I can kinda see what you mean now but hopefully Bioware fixes this problem in DA3 and ME4 i just hope they don't go the DA2 way again.

Is this the whole "realism" argument?