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[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...
Sebastian, Alistair, Cullen, a very holy threesome. 

A match made in heaven.:innocent:

At least until we corrupt them.

[Texhnolyze101]

Plaintiff wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Yes, it's super realistic that so few people would be open to homosexual relationships in a setting where people regularly date outside their own species.

Who gives a screaming **** about 'realism'? The entire point of fiction, especially sci-fi and fantasy fiction, is that it is different from reality.

Besides which, in reality, history documents several societies where homosexuality and bisexuality were much more common and accepted. So the notion that having four bisexuals in one group of acquaintances is "unrealistic" is uninformed at best, if not outright fallacious.

Sorry i just find everyone in my party being bisexual stupid and that's never going to change. I prefer ME3's approach much better

[Ryzaki]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Yes, it's super realistic that so few people would be open to homosexual relationships in a setting where people regularly date outside their own species.

Who gives a screaming **** about 'realism'? The entire point of fiction, especially sci-fi and fantasy fiction, is that it is different from reality.

Besides which, in reality, history documents several societies where homosexuality and bisexuality were much more common and accepted. So the notion that having four bisexuals in one group of acquaintances is "unrealistic" is uninformed at best, if not outright fallacious.

Sorry i just find everyone in my party being bisexual stupid and that's never going to change. I prefer ME3's approach much better

Yes the ME3 where straight male Shep's had 6 options, gay FemSheps has 4, gay male Sheps had 2 and straight FemSheps had 2 cause 2 of her LIs were either invalidated or got a case of the dead.

Clearly something to aspire to. /s

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I wonder if the same people who insist that DA2's handling of relationships was unrealistic are the same people who complain that PoCs can't be in Thedas because there were no PoCs in the medieval ages at all, anywhere, ever, and yet are again the same people who say that we don't need "realistic" explanations for the weirdness of elven genetics or darkspawn or even magic itself, because fantasy!

Seriously, this argument works both ways.  You can't use realism as an argument for the one if not also the other.  But it's EXTREMELY telling, the way that people get irrationally and disproportionately upset over the inclusion of LGBT content (or PoCs, because it's the same damend argument either way).  To get that upset about it says a great deal more about those person's personal agendas than anything else.

They have people who actually believe that tripe here on the BSN?

Yes.  Not to take this off the LGBT topic, but, unfortunately, yes they do.  The number of people who think that it would be TOTALLY unrealistic to have PoC people in Thedas because Medieval Europe didn't have them, is staggering. 

Here's some interesting commentary on that whole attitude, if you're interested.  I was linked to it just last night.

Modifié par Silfren, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:54 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

misoretu9 wrote...

And I completely disagree about Samantha. She had far less speaking dialogue than any other romance option, and lacked important scenes, like meeting-up on citadel (which, again, every other LI had).
In fact, IIRC she had more speaking dialogue with male character.

It showed that the focus was placed on "steamy" bed scene, not on romance development, completely the opposite to Steve's. Whose sexuality was treated with respect, while as I mentioned before, Traynor was mainly a tease for male character.

Have you done Steve's romance? It's pretty short and underwhelming in the main game.  I think one of the devs confirmed that Steve and Samantha had the same number of "romantic" dailogue lines.

[Hellion Rex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Yes, it's super realistic that so few people would be open to homosexual relationships in a setting where people regularly date outside their own species.

Who gives a screaming **** about 'realism'? The entire point of fiction, especially sci-fi and fantasy fiction, is that it is different from reality.

Besides which, in reality, history documents several societies where homosexuality and bisexuality were much more common and accepted. So the notion that having four bisexuals in one group of acquaintances is "unrealistic" is uninformed at best, if not outright fallacious.

Sorry i just find everyone in my party being bisexual stupid and that's never going to change. I prefer ME3's approach much better

How is it stupid? It might not be as realistic as how you think it should be, but it is hardly a stupid choice on the part of the developer.

[The Elder King]

Bethany/Carver, Aveline,and Sebastian weren't bisexuals. If Varric will not be bisexual in DAI, half of the part wasn't bisexual in DA2.

Modifié par hhh89, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:24 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Ryzaki wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Yes, it's super realistic that so few people would be open to homosexual relationships in a setting where people regularly date outside their own species.

Who gives a screaming **** about 'realism'? The entire point of fiction, especially sci-fi and fantasy fiction, is that it is different from reality.

Besides which, in reality, history documents several societies where homosexuality and bisexuality were much more common and accepted. So the notion that having four bisexuals in one group of acquaintances is "unrealistic" is uninformed at best, if not outright fallacious.

Sorry i just find everyone in my party being bisexual stupid and that's never going to change. I prefer ME3's approach much better

Yes the ME3 where straight male Shep's had 6 options, gay FemSheps has 4, gay male Sheps had 2 and straight FemSheps had 2 cause 2 of her LIs were either invalidated or got a case of the dead.

Clearly something to aspire to. /s

Theres room for improvement but its still better then DA2's approach.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I wonder if the same people who insist that DA2's handling of relationships was unrealistic are the same people who complain that PoCs can't be in Thedas because there were no PoCs in the medieval ages at all, anywhere, ever, and yet are again the same people who say that we don't need "realistic" explanations for the weirdness of elven genetics or darkspawn or even magic itself, because fantasy!

Seriously, this argument works both ways.  You can't use realism as an argument for the one if not also the other.  But it's EXTREMELY telling, the way that people get irrationally and disproportionately upset over the inclusion of LGBT content (or PoCs, because it's the same damend argument either way).  To get that upset about it says a great deal more about those person's personal agendas than anything else.

They have people who actually believe that tripe here on the BSN?

Yes.  Not to take this off the LGBT topic, but yes, unfortunately, yes they do.  The number of people who think that it would be TOTALLY unrealistic to have PoC people in Thedas because Medieval Europe didn't have them, is staggering. 

Here's some interesting commentary on that whole attitude, if you're interested.  I was linked to it just last night.

Holy ...I am a POC, and I have never seen anything quite like this.

[ParkBom]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Yes, it's super realistic that so few people would be open to homosexual relationships in a setting where people regularly date outside their own species.

Who gives a screaming **** about 'realism'? The entire point of fiction, especially sci-fi and fantasy fiction, is that it is different from reality.

Besides which, in reality, history documents several societies where homosexuality and bisexuality were much more common and accepted. So the notion that having four bisexuals in one group of acquaintances is "unrealistic" is uninformed at best, if not outright fallacious.

Sorry i just find everyone in my party being bisexual stupid and that's never going to change. I prefer ME3's approach much better

I find your generalization as well as your preferred approach to be stupid. So I guess we're even.

[ParkBom]

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...
Sebastian, Alistair, Cullen, a very holy threesome. 

A match made in heaven.:innocent:

At least until we corrupt them.

Hahahaha, I have corrupted two out of the three. Now, I just need Cullen. 

[Afro_Explosion]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

And I completely disagree about Samantha. She had far less speaking dialogue than any other romance option, and lacked important scenes, like meeting-up on citadel (which, again, every other LI had).
In fact, IIRC she had more speaking dialogue with male character.

It showed that the focus was placed on "steamy" bed scene, not on romance development, completely the opposite to Steve's. Whose sexuality was treated with respect, while as I mentioned before, Traynor was mainly a tease for male character.

Have you done Steve's romance? It's pretty short and underwhelming in the main game.  I think one of the devs confirmed that Steve and Samantha had the same number of "romantic" dailogue lines.

IMHO both romances even though short were done well

[Ryzaki]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Theres room for improvement but its still better then DA2's approach.

No it really isn't.

With DA2 if the s/s options really bother you you could just not take them. That and you had to blatantly pick a heart to start a romance.

Also it's four Lis that are bisexual. It's not everyone in your party and by god I wish people would stop using that idiotic arguement.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:27 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I prefer ME 3's handling of the love interests as well. That does not mean that I also advocate adhering to the exact same ratio of love interests as that game had. It would be better if it was closer.

Not that I think it's absolutely requisite that every type of PC have exactly same number of potential love interests. I did not find it outrageous that women got 3 love interests in DA 2 and men got 2.

[Hazegurl]

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

[Ryzaki]

ME3 had LIs with crap dialogue in comparison to others (until they rectified that with Citadel DLC) and development.

I really don't think ME3 is anything to aspire to whatsoever in the LI department. They invalidate some romances, and many romances just have poor development compared to others.

I wonder if most of the people saying ME3 had romances to aspire to played a straight male Shep.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Texhnolyze101]

eluvianix wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME3 did S/S relationships better then DA2 and was more realistic.

Yes, it's super realistic that so few people would be open to homosexual relationships in a setting where people regularly date outside their own species.

Who gives a screaming **** about 'realism'? The entire point of fiction, especially sci-fi and fantasy fiction, is that it is different from reality.

Besides which, in reality, history documents several societies where homosexuality and bisexuality were much more common and accepted. So the notion that having four bisexuals in one group of acquaintances is "unrealistic" is uninformed at best, if not outright fallacious.

Sorry i just find everyone in my party being bisexual stupid and that's never going to change. I prefer ME3's approach much better

How is it stupid? It might not be as realistic as how you think it should be, but it is hardly a stupid choice on the part of the developer.

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic. What i want is a mix of everything what i want is to make a female PC and see a cute guy and go "wanna bang?" and he says "Its flattering that you are interested in me but i enjoy the company of other men" or i make a male PC and theres a cute girl and say the same thing to her and she goes "Sorry sweetie but the only thing i want jiggling in my face is another woman's ******".

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Ryzaki]

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:32 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

ME3 had LIs with crap dialogue in comparison to others (until they rectified that with Citadel DLC) and development.

I really don't think ME3 is anything to aspire to whatsoever in the LI department. They invalidate some romances, and many romances just have poor development compared to others.

I wonder if most of the people saying ME3 had romances to aspire to played a straight male Shep.

Kaidan's gay romance was great, IMO.

[Ryzaki]

eluvianix wrote...
Kaidan's gay romance was great, IMO.

It's good but it's mostly the female romance with pronoun switches and some scenes taken out.

Which isn't something negative (though I wish the taken out scenes had at least gotten an alternative) but *shrugs*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:33 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Kaidan's gay romance was great, IMO.

It's okay but it's mostly the female romance with pronoun switches and some scenes taken out.

Different strokes, my dear. To be honest, I was just glad to finally have a romance option in the game.

[Silfren]

M25105 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

M25105 wrote...

So now even the npcs have to worry about political correctness?

Yup. Ain't it grand?

Political correctness kills the soul of diversity.

I call bullsh*t.  Political correctness isn't about anything more or less than treating people decently.  Certain persons of a particular political persuasion have successfully blacklisted the phrase in their smear campaigns, but that's all it EVER was. 

[Ryzaki]

eluvianix wrote...

Different strokes, my dear. To be honest, I was just glad to finally have a romance option in the game.

My point is that romance isn't something DA2 doesn't do. Minus the deleted scenes bit having no equivelent.

[Afro_Explosion]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I wonder if the same people who insist that DA2's handling of relationships was unrealistic are the same people who complain that PoCs can't be in Thedas because there were no PoCs in the medieval ages at all, anywhere, ever, and yet are again the same people who say that we don't need "realistic" explanations for the weirdness of elven genetics or darkspawn or even magic itself, because fantasy!

Seriously, this argument works both ways.  You can't use realism as an argument for the one if not also the other.  But it's EXTREMELY telling, the way that people get irrationally and disproportionately upset over the inclusion of LGBT content (or PoCs, because it's the same damend argument either way).  To get that upset about it says a great deal more about those person's personal agendas than anything else.

They have people who actually believe that tripe here on the BSN?

Yes.  Not to take this off the LGBT topic, but yes, unfortunately, yes they do.  The number of people who think that it would be TOTALLY unrealistic to have PoC people in Thedas because Medieval Europe didn't have them, is staggering. 

Here's some interesting commentary on that whole attitude, if you're interested.  I was linked to it just last night.

Holy ...I am a POC, and I have never seen anything quite like this.

you and me both

[Texhnolyze101]

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.