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[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

I guess for somebody is difficult to remember that the siblings, Aveline, Sebastian and maybe Varric weren't bisexuals. Or they blatantly ignore the truth to justify their point.

[Ryzaki]

hhh89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

I guess for somebody is difficult to remember that the siblings, Aveline, Sebastian and maybe Varric weren't bisexuals. Or they blatantly ignore the truth to justify their point.

Well Bethany was rather intrigued by Isabela

But to be fair most everyone is intrigued by Isabela.

And yeah the hilarity is far more people are after Shepard's junk than Hawke but oh noes it's only bad when they're attracting too many damn bisexuals!

[Texhnolyze101]

Ryzaki wrote...

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

With the exception of aveline,varric and sebastion yeah but everyone else is.

[Hellion Rex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Your logic is completely screwed up.

[ParkBom]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Magically turn them straight. Lol, because without metagaming, how did you judge if someone was gay? Obviously, you were wrong in your judgement because they are willing to be in a straight romance. 

What's sickening to me is that horrid punctuation. It's an eyesore, truly. 

[Ryzaki]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

With the exception of aveline,varric and sebastion yeah but everyone else is.

Let me say this REALLY slowly.

If there's exceptions you can't say everyone is Bi.

You have 4 bi LIs on Hawke's team.

Fenris
Isabela
Merrill
and Anders

In addition to them you have
Bethany/Carver
Varric
Aveline
Sebastian.

More people aren't bi than are so you're blatantly lying with that "everyone is bi!!!" nonsense. (No Bethany and Carver are not one person).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:42 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't believe characters being player sexual is good writing. That's why my assumption was that all four were bisexual. When I said "closer" I meant closer in the number of romances for each PC.

But I also don't believe people should be able to romance whoever they want. I also don't know why metagaming is supposed to be a bad word when it comes to understanding characters or otherr aspects of the setting. It's not Hawke that objects to writing NPCS like their sexuality depends on unrelated outside factors. It's a player that think that they should be written as straight, gay or bi.

Metagaming on some level about certain parts of the games is unavoidable anyway.

Mass Effect 3's romantic dialogue being "crap" is A) subjective and not the point in either case.

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Magically turn them straight. Lol, because without metagaming, how did you judge if someone was gay? Obviously, you were wrong in your judgement because they are willing to be in a straight romance. 

What's sickening to me is that horrid punctuation. It's an eyesore, truly. 

Amen, gurl.

[Ianamus]

I think DA:2 just had better banter in general, it was one of the few things the game did that I thought was better than Origins, and the romanced companion banter was much, much better.

Some of the highlights of the game were the other companion's reactions to the romances, Fenris' "puppy eyes" standing out, and Isabela's genuinely heartwarming reaction to a romance with Merrill.

[ParkBom]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Its stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

With the exception of aveline,varric and sebastion yeah but everyone else is.

Playersexual=/=Bisexual

Get it right. If you romance Anders as a female, the only way you know he's bisexual is metagaming.

[Ryzaki]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I don't believe characters being player sexual is good writing. That's why my assumption was that all four were bisexual. When I said "closer" I meant closer in the number of romances for each PC.

But I also don't believe people should be able to romance whoever they want. I also don't know why metagaming is supposed to be a bad word when it comes to understanding characters or otherr aspects of the setting. It's not Hawke that objects to writing NPCS like their sexuality depends on unrelated outside factors. It's a player that think that they should be written as straight, gay or bi.

Metagaming on some level about certain parts of the games is unavoidable anyway.

Mass Effect 3's romantic dialogue being "crap" is A) subjective and not the point in either case.

Fair enough I don't think half the females you meet in Mass Effect being single and wanting to throw their panties at Shep as soon as he glanced at them was good writing either. Edit: Hell I think it's more than half.

So you'd be supportive of an equal amount of gay and straight only romances? With 1 bi LI of each gender for them to share?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:46 .

[Plaintiff]

Elton John is dead wrote...
What was homophobic about it?

Homophobic is fear of gays or hatred of gays.

Actually;

"Homophobia[/b] encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred"

Guess which one your behaviour falls under.

Oghren is a straight male. Obviously he would be disgusted/baffled of the idea of two men being together to the point where he makes a joke about it.

Obviously he would be disgusted? Why? What about being a heterosexual man suggests an innate disgust for homosexuality? I know plenty of straight dudes that manage to be around me and not be total dickbags.

I can't help but laugh when I see two s/s couples kiss (yep, even lesbians). I find it funny but I have neither fear or hatred of gays.

No, you just mock them and treat them with contempt. That's much better.

Isabella didn't offend me with her remark that women have more uses in bed than men.

Maybe not, but from the sound of things your reaction was equally juvenile and ignorant.

It adds to the character of the companion as opposed to everyone mindlessly accepting the sexual exploits/deeds/romances of the protagonist.

Well your behaviour certainly says something about your character.

Then you have a character like Sebastian who is prudish towards it all.

Sebastian doesn't condemn sexual activity of any kind. He simply opts not to participate. And at least he doesn't titter behind his hand like a child who thinks that even saying the word 'vagina' is the apex of humour and wit.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:54 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Its
stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with
that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its
ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

With the exception of aveline,varric and sebastion yeah but everyone else is.

Playersexual=/=Bisexual

Get it right. If you romance Anders as a female, the only way you know he's bisexual is metagaming.

Dragon Age 2 and it's characters are not just part a totally self contained story. We know there is more to Anders because he appeared in Awakening. Just because Hawke doesn't know what he was like then doesn't mean the player somehow shouldn't know. Anders being playersexual (and thus gay in certain games) makes even less sense then him being bisexual.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Late to the party it seems.

*Starts twerking*

[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Late to the party it seems.

*Starts twerking*

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I don't believe characters being player sexual is good writing. That's why my assumption was that all four were bisexual. When I said "closer" I meant closer in the number of romances for each PC.

But I also don't believe people should be able to romance whoever they want. I also don't know why metagaming is supposed to be a bad word when it comes to understanding characters or otherr aspects of the setting. It's not Hawke that objects to writing NPCS like their sexuality depends on unrelated outside factors. It's a player that think that they should be written as straight, gay or bi.

Metagaming on some level about certain parts of the games is unavoidable anyway.

Mass Effect 3's romantic dialogue being "crap" is A) subjective and not the point in either case.

Fair enough I don't think half the females you meet in Mass Effect being single and wanting to throw their panties at Shep as soon as he glanced at them was good writing either. Edit: Hell I think it's more than half.

So you'd be supportive of an equal amount of gay and straight only romances? With 1 bi LI of each gender for them to share?

Sure.

[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

Well Bethany was rather intrigued by Isabela

But to be fair most everyone is intrigued by Isabela.

And yeah the hilarity is far more people are after Shepard's junk than Hawke but oh noes it's only bad when they're attracting too many damn bisexuals!

I agree on Shepard. ME3 handled the LI pretty bad with the focus on straight Male shep, and I'm an heterosexual male.

[ParkBom]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Its
stupid because theres no way in hell that every person you meet up with
that becomes a part of your party just HAPPENS to be bisexual its
ridicules and unrealistic

...Good thing this isn't the case!

With the exception of aveline,varric and sebastion yeah but everyone else is.

Playersexual=/=Bisexual

Get it right. If you romance Anders as a female, the only way you know he's bisexual is metagaming.

Dragon Age 2 and it's characters are not just part a totally self contained story. We know there is more to Anders because he appeared in Awakening. Just because Hawke doesn't know what he was like then doesn't mean the player somehow shouldn't know. Anders being playersexual (and thus gay in certain games) makes even less sense then him being bisexual.

But DA2 is the only game that really delved into the sexualities of said characters. Yes, Anders said he liked pretty girls. However, if you play a female, he STILL only likes girls, from what Hawke knows. Sure, the player knows he goes both ways but is that set in stone for his character? That's debatable. 

[Texhnolyze101]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Magically turn them straight. Lol, because without metagaming, how did you judge if someone was gay? Obviously, you were wrong in your judgement because they are willing to be in a straight romance. 

What's sickening to me is that horrid punctuation. It's an eyesore, truly. 

Your right i wouldn't know without metagaming but its still a problem because now i know that person is gay and turning them straight just so i can romance them seems really wrong.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:51 .

[ParkBom]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Late to the party it seems.

*Starts twerking*

The urge to post many twerking gifs is strong... yet so is the urge to not get banned again...

[Silfren]

Elton John is dead wrote...

What was homophobic about it?

Homophobic is fear of gays or hatred of gays.

Oghren is a straight male. Obviously he would be disgusted/baffled of the idea of two men being together to the point where he makes a joke about it. I can't help but laugh when I see two s/s couples kiss (yep, even lesbians). I find it funny but I have neither fear or hatred of gays.

Excuse me.  OBVIOUSLY Oghren would feel this way just for being a straight guy? 

That's funny, because the straight people I choose to be friends with aren't bothered by it at all. They aren't baffled by it or amused by it any more so than they are with straight people in straight relationships.  To suggest that straight people just naturally are disgusted or baffled by homosexuality, and not recognizing that those behaviors are the result of cultural indoctrination, is prejudice itself at work.  There is certainly no reason why this would be the natural, default state of straight-identifying people in any society in which homophobia does not exist. 

To assume that or any similar prejudice on the part of people in Thedas just assumes that their society is, like ours, homophobic in its cultural and religious foundations, but this is plainly spelled out in the lore to not be the case.  Disgust or bafflement ARE products of homophobia, full stop.  If homophobia doesn't exist, then neither do disgust or bafflement.

[Ianamus]

I'll just throw my opinion on the "playersexuality" thing in here:

I love the choice it gave, but I personally don't like playersexuality as a concept. If Anders is straight if Hawke is female and gay if Hawke is male then what is Anders if there is no Hawke at all?

Characters should be able to exist entirely on their own right without the player character. I would have preferred it if all of the LI's were just explicitly or hinted at being bisexual, rather than their orientation changing based on Hawk's gender.

Modifié par EJ107, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:56 .

[ParkBom]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Magically turn them straight. Lol, because without metagaming, how did you judge if someone was gay? Obviously, you were wrong in your judgement because they are willing to be in a straight romance. 

What's sickening to me is that horrid punctuation. It's an eyesore, truly. 

Your right i wouldn't know without metagaming but its still a problem because now i know that person is gay and turning them straight just so i can romance them seems really wrong.

First of all, if someone is gay, you wouldn't be turning them straight, no matter if you wanted to romance them or not. If they were able to be romanced as a heterosexual option, then you shouldn't be calling them gay characters. You should be calling them bisexual or playersexual, depending on the circumstance.

[kaymarierose]

JusticarFlareon wrote...
Playersexual=/=Bisexual

Get it right. If you romance [insert character] as a [insert gender], the only way you know [insert same character] is bisexual is metagaming.

Someone gets it! You go you.

[Ryzaki]

hhh89 wrote...

I agree on Shepard. ME3 handled the LI pretty bad with the focus on straight Male shep, and I'm an heterosexual male.

In hindsight playing that Shep was hilarious

ME1: "No not interesed." "No." "wait what? How am I in a romance with Ashley? GODDAMNIT. *nukes*"

ME2: "No Tali I could kill you plus you're like a sister." "No Thanks Miranda." "Hell no Jack too much crazy for me." 

ME3: "...NO ALLERS NO!" And people getting on his case about being single. Douchebags. (I Headcanoned that one as recently widowed before ME1 started).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 12:55 .