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[Hellion Rex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I kinda have the same problem with kaiden to knowing what i know i don't romance him with a femshep anymore either.

Wow. So because you find out someone is bisexual, that completely makes all previous interactions and relationships you've established worthless? Bravo, truly.

Actually its because the RL person kaiden is based on is gay so i felt wrong romancing him with femshep.

Again, your crappy logic astounds me.

[ParkBom]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I kinda have the same problem with kaiden to knowing what i know i don't romance him with a femshep anymore either.

Wow. So because you find out someone is bisexual, that completely makes all previous interactions and relationships you've established worthless? Bravo, truly.

Actually its because the RL person kaiden is based on is gay so i felt wrong romancing him with femshep.

I know Luciano Costa is gay. That's only his face model. He's not based on Luciano in anything except the way his face is. Kaidan as a character is bisexual. (Or playersexual? Can anyone confirm one or the other?)

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...
IMHO both romances even though short were done well

I thought it happened way too fast.  He finally gets over his dead husband and THE VERY NEXT CONVERSATION you can hop into bed with him.

Umm..more like he tells you at the beginning of the game, and you sleep with him at the second to last level of a VERY long game.

When you take him to the club to initiate the romance it's heavily implied that you have sex with him that night.

Yeah this. That romance is awkward as hell.

And you're sleeping with him after his date conversation in purguatory just click on him after missions. Shep makes that pretty blatant. Shep wasted no time hitting that.

Are we really nitpicking this right now?<_<

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I kinda have the same problem with kaiden to knowing what i know i don't romance him with a femshep anymore either.

Wow. So because you find out someone is bisexual, that completely makes all previous interactions and relationships you've established worthless? Bravo, truly.

Actually its because the RL person kaiden is based on is gay so i felt wrong romancing him with femshep.

I know Luciano Costa is gay. That's only his face model. He's not based on Luciano in anything except the way his face is. Kaidan as a character is bisexual. (Or playersexual? Can anyone confirm one or the other?)

Nope. My guess is player sexual, but he could have been bisexual for all that we know.

[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Ryzaki: seems a fun playthrough. Though I had more fun playing a Colonist/Sole Survivor Shepard that from game to game lost everyone he loved. Mentor, friends, romantic interests. The ME trilogy gave a lot of freedom in creating a character with serious problems.

It was he was a colonist/sole survivor too XD Your Shep was a bad luck magnet I take it?
Yes it did  

Yes, he was definitely cursed . He's not my main Shepard, but he's one of my favourites to play. He probably had Winchester blood in his vein (if you watch Supernatural, you know what I mean).

[Silfren]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Again, the fact that you are reacting rather disproportionately to this says more about you than the game options themselves.  Bioware did NOT handle romance options in DA:O by having the Warden get turned down by LIs based on gender preferences.  The romances were literally cut off from LIs for whom you weren't the right gender.  You didn't even get a chance to initiate them. 

In DA2, if you didn't want to romance a character, you didn't have to, since those heart icons are totally optionall.  But if it is "****ing sicking" to you merely that the option is there, then that's just a personal problem on your end.

[Hazegurl]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

If you think the heart activates the romances then you clearly haven't been paying attention. Fenris flirts with you first, Merrill is too dense either way and you can flirt with Anders first. actually, if you are a man Anders will tell you flat out that he and Karl were lovers.  I also believe you can flirt with Izzy first. Not seeing what the heart does except flirt and enter into a relationships. You certainly aren't changing anyone's sexual preference with it.

[Plaintiff]

EJ107 wrote...

I'll just throw my opinion on the "plersexuality" thing in here:

I love the choice it gave, but I personally don't like playersexuality as a concept. If Anders is straight if Hawke is female and gay if Hawke is male then what is Anders if there is no Hawke at all?

Both and neither, simultaneously. He exists in a liminal state where the socially constructed boundaries of sexuality cease to have relevance.

Which is fine, because sexuality does not exist on a binary of straight/gay with varying degrees of bisexuality in-between. It's fluid and dynamic.

Characters should be able to exist entirely on their own right without the player character. I would have preferred it if all of the LI's were just explicitly or hinted at being bisexual, rather than their orientation changing based on Hawk's gender.

The characters do exist in their own right. Existing outside of our societial construction of sexuality does not delegitimise them as characters in any way. Their sexuality isn't relevant to the understanding of their characters or their stories, nor should it be.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Bioware has been saying how they'll try and have characters take previous actions of the player into consideration when they interact with them. Hope this extends to romances so that I can't do totally ridiculous things in it anymore with the characters. Romancing fenris while being a pro-tevinter mage was one of the creepiest feelings ever. Same with templar mage killer hawke and anders hooking up.

[Texhnolyze101]

eluvianix wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I kinda have the same problem with kaiden to knowing what i know i don't romance him with a femshep anymore either.

Wow. So because you find out someone is bisexual, that completely makes all previous interactions and relationships you've established worthless? Bravo, truly.

Actually its because the RL person kaiden is based on is gay so i felt wrong romancing him with femshep.

Again, your crappy logic astounds me.

Its not crappy at all it just made me feel weird so i deleted that femshep romancing him.

[sandalisthemaker]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Bioware has been saying how they'll try and have characters take previous actions of the player into consideration when they interact with them. Hope this extends to romances so that I can't do totally ridiculous things in it anymore with the characters. Romancing fenris while being a pro-tevinter mage was one of the creepiest feelings ever. Same with templar mage killer hawke and anders hooking up.

Luv is blind.

[Ryzaki]

eluvianix wrote...
Are we really nitpicking this right now?<_<

No just pointing out what happens in the romance.

hhh89 wrote...
Yes, he was definitely cursed . He's not my
main Shepard, but he's one of my favourites to play. He probably had
Winchester blood in his vein (if you watch Supernatural, you know what I
mean).

XD

I know what you mean. My bad luck renedouche was a lot more fun to play than my good guy paragon.

[Hellion Rex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I kinda have the same problem with kaiden to knowing what i know i don't romance him with a femshep anymore either.

Wow. So because you find out someone is bisexual, that completely makes all previous interactions and relationships you've established worthless? Bravo, truly.

Actually its because the RL person kaiden is based on is gay so i felt wrong romancing him with femshep.

Again, your crappy logic astounds me.

Its not crappy at all it just made me feel weird so i deleted that femshep romancing him.

Wow. You seriously deleted a character, a Shepard, because you had issues with Kaidan's face model being gay?

Modifié par eluvianix, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:14 .

[Ryzaki]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Bioware has been saying how they'll try and have characters take previous actions of the player into consideration when they interact with them. Hope this extends to romances so that I can't do totally ridiculous things in it anymore with the characters. Romancing fenris while being a pro-tevinter mage was one of the creepiest feelings ever. Same with templar mage killer hawke and anders hooking up.

Not like DAO was much better with being able to play someone who killed the elves and romance Zevran/Alistair/Leliana or being a complete white knight character and romancing Morrigan. (Same issue with being a pro human renedouche and romancing any of the aliens in ME series).

Though yes being able to get rejected by characters who blatantly ignore that you're the exact type of person they claim to dislike would be great playersexual or no. I rather they have all the LIs be playersexual and add modifiers such as them not romancing you if you tend to do certain things. That way your LI possibilities are determined by your actions in the game.

*edit: LOL said the exact opposite of what I meant.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:16 .

[ParkBom]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Bioware has been saying how they'll try and have characters take previous actions of the player into consideration when they interact with them. Hope this extends to romances so that I can't do totally ridiculous things in it anymore with the characters. Romancing fenris while being a pro-tevinter mage was one of the creepiest feelings ever. Same with templar mage killer hawke and anders hooking up.

Luv is blind.

[Silfren]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

No it isn't better imo. Both had issues and both had something to aspire to, I think ME should be more like DA in terms of offering everyone a chance to romance the one they want. Besides you only know Anders is bi through metagaming. Fenris could be 100% straight or gay depending and so could Merrill and you know Izzy is bi cause she makes it clear in game. it's not BW's fault you can't RP in a RPG.

I don't like the idea of having the ability to toggle someones sexuality simply by clicking a damn heart icon simply to pander to my goddamn preference all you are doing is making a person who is gay or not gay just to fit your own needs that's lame its much better to have a gay guy/girl turn you down because he/she doesn't swing that way then click a heart icon and magically turn him/her straight that's ****ing sicking to me.

Magically turn them straight. Lol, because without metagaming, how did you judge if someone was gay? Obviously, you were wrong in your judgement because they are willing to be in a straight romance. 

What's sickening to me is that horrid punctuation. It's an eyesore, truly. 

Your right i wouldn't know without metagaming but its still a problem because now i know that person is gay and turning them straight just so i can romance them seems really wrong.

No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

[Cainhurst Crow]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Bioware has been saying how they'll try and have characters take previous actions of the player into consideration when they interact with them. Hope this extends to romances so that I can't do totally ridiculous things in it anymore with the characters. Romancing fenris while being a pro-tevinter mage was one of the creepiest feelings ever. Same with templar mage killer hawke and anders hooking up.

Luv is blind.

Apparently so are the signs of spotting a serial killing sociopath.

[Afro_Explosion]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...
IMHO both romances even though short were done well

I thought it happened way too fast.  He finally gets over his dead husband and THE VERY NEXT CONVERSATION you can hop into bed with him.

Umm..more like he tells you at the beginning of the game, and you sleep with him at the second to last level of a VERY long game.

He still got over that guy way to fast though.

it was like a year and a half?

Modifié par mx_keep13, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:18 .

[Plaintiff]

Silfren wrote...

No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

[ParkBom]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Bioware has been saying how they'll try and have characters take previous actions of the player into consideration when they interact with them. Hope this extends to romances so that I can't do totally ridiculous things in it anymore with the characters. Romancing fenris while being a pro-tevinter mage was one of the creepiest feelings ever. Same with templar mage killer hawke and anders hooking up.

Luv is blind.

Apparently so are the signs of spotting a serial killing sociopath.

Blame that on the game mechanics of tracking actions (Or lack thereof, in that case), not the characters being playersexual.

[TeamLexana]

EJ107 wrote...

I'll just throw my opinion on the "playersexuality" thing in here:

I love the choice it gave, but I personally don't like playersexuality as a concept. If Anders is straight if Hawke is female and gay if Hawke is male then what is Anders if there is no Hawke at all?

Characters should be able to exist entirely on their own right without the player character. I would have preferred it if all of the LI's were just explicitly or hinted at being bisexual, rather than their orientation changing based on Hawk's gender.

That's how I feel about it as well. Plus, I think the bi romances in Origins were handled better because of that concept. Romancing Lelianna as a female actually felt special. While on the flip side, Anders in DA2 going 100% gay if your a male felt really off if you played Awakening, it just didn't make sense. He no longer felt like a real character that stood on his own. All the other crap that went wrong with Anders in DA2 aside of course, lol. 

With that being said, I understand why they did it and I enjoy the fact that BW opened up those romances to both sexes. But I prefer the characters to be more fleshed out and feel more real to me.

[ParkBom]

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

Well personally, I like Pepsi a lot more. Coke is too sweet. I can swear fealty to Pepsi. :innocent:

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

Well personally, I like Pepsi a lot more. Coke is too sweet. I can swear fealty to Pepsi. :innocent:

Heretic!!! Recant, sinner!

[Ryzaki]

JusticarFlareon wrote...
Well personally, I like Pepsi a lot more. Coke is too sweet. I can swear fealty to Pepsi. :innocent:

Vanilla coke > both :3

[sandalisthemaker]

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

No, you DON'T know they're gay, and you don't "turn" them straight.  You know that they're bisexual.  It IS a thing, folks.  Really.

YOU CAN'T LIKE COKE AND PEPSI! YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE RIGHT NOW AND SWEAR FEALTY TO IT FOREVER!!!

Well personally, I like Pepsi a lot more. Coke is too sweet. I can swear fealty to Pepsi. :innocent:

Heretic!!! Recant, sinner!

Ew. Soda is poison.