Hmm, I wish we could've called him out on that.
Modifié par Vit246, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:22 .
Isn't the Poison Gas the Arishok's Fault?
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 07:06
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I don't remember the specifics, but I'm pretty sure the Arishok intentionally replaced the gunpowder with a poison gas decoy as a trap for thieves. Which goes on to kill hundreds of people. And the Arishok just dismisses it as not their fault. And he wonders why Kirkwall turns against him?
Hmm, I wish we could've called him out on that.
Hmm, I wish we could've called him out on that.
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 08:40
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Vit246 wrote...
Hmm, I wish we could've called him out on that.
That's pretty much true for most of the game, which is why, in my opinion, DA2 will never top DA:O--so much potential, so little results.
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 10:57
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That's actually a good point. If you're going to make a decoy, why not make it a dud recipe, rather than a recipe to a different WMD?
Then again, the Arishok doesn't go into details about the theft (although he does call the gas recipe a decoy).
Then again, the Arishok doesn't go into details about the theft (although he does call the gas recipe a decoy).
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 11:08
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Well ...it's not really his fault.
The gas was supposed to kill the thief should they use it , it's pretty clever.
He thought somebody was after his recipe for explosives , mostly to make some profit.
The whole point of the people using the gas was to kill innocents and lay the blame on the Qunari, actualy.
He should have guessed that some humans were willing to kill their own just to spite him?
The gas was supposed to kill the thief should they use it , it's pretty clever.
He thought somebody was after his recipe for explosives , mostly to make some profit.
The whole point of the people using the gas was to kill innocents and lay the blame on the Qunari, actualy.
He should have guessed that some humans were willing to kill their own just to spite him?
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 09:33
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I think it goes back to what Ferretinabun mentioned--if you're going to make a decoy, why make a highly dangerous poisonous gas a decoy? Why not make the decoy a dud, or something that will kill only the person putting together the recipe? I'm sure we could come up with a number of other solutions, but the point is that while it wasn't the Arishok's fault that a thief stole his recipe and intended to use it to murder innocents, he still holds some responsibility. The recipe could have been anything.
And, if you really think about it, presuming that the recipe is an actual piece of paper, there's no reason whatsoever to have it lying around. Someone could have just memorized it. That way, the only way to lose the recipe would be if a qunari deserted or if it was tortured out of him or something. But again, we don't have all the details of the theft.
In the end, though, I tend to blame the arishok more because, to me, it sounded like he let the recipe get stolen. Not only could he have protected the recipe better (because, come on, they're not doing a whole lot everyday) but there didn't have to be anything worthy to steal. Does that make sense? Plus, this isn't a guy who's patiently waiting for a ship to send him home. This isn't even a guy who is trying to avoid conflict, simply wishing to find the relic and go home. To me, the arishok doesn't really care about innocents getting hurt, about the gas killing people, which is exactly why he lets it get stolen. If the qunari were framed for the gas killing people, I think the arishok would welcome the fight that would come and seize the opportunity to get rid of all these inferiors irritating him. Is he actively trying to start a war like the elf? No. But he's certainly not going out of his way to prevent one either. You could even say that, with decoys like the gas, he's egging people on. He's been stranded, or at the very least, unable to go home for years. He's bored and angry, surrounded by inferiors and fanatics looking to start a holy war. Again, he's not actively trying to start a fight, but, if the opportunity arises...
And, if you really think about it, presuming that the recipe is an actual piece of paper, there's no reason whatsoever to have it lying around. Someone could have just memorized it. That way, the only way to lose the recipe would be if a qunari deserted or if it was tortured out of him or something. But again, we don't have all the details of the theft.
In the end, though, I tend to blame the arishok more because, to me, it sounded like he let the recipe get stolen. Not only could he have protected the recipe better (because, come on, they're not doing a whole lot everyday) but there didn't have to be anything worthy to steal. Does that make sense? Plus, this isn't a guy who's patiently waiting for a ship to send him home. This isn't even a guy who is trying to avoid conflict, simply wishing to find the relic and go home. To me, the arishok doesn't really care about innocents getting hurt, about the gas killing people, which is exactly why he lets it get stolen. If the qunari were framed for the gas killing people, I think the arishok would welcome the fight that would come and seize the opportunity to get rid of all these inferiors irritating him. Is he actively trying to start a war like the elf? No. But he's certainly not going out of his way to prevent one either. You could even say that, with decoys like the gas, he's egging people on. He's been stranded, or at the very least, unable to go home for years. He's bored and angry, surrounded by inferiors and fanatics looking to start a holy war. Again, he's not actively trying to start a fight, but, if the opportunity arises...
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 10:05
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Ferretinabun wrote...
That's actually a good point. If you're going to make a decoy, why not make it a dud recipe, rather than a recipe to a different WMD?.
Because a dud wouldn't have killed the thief who took it.
In any case, the elven fanatic (and by extension, Sister Petrice) always intended to massacre dozens of people; they just got the wrong weapon. You can't really put the blame entirely on the Arishok.
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Posté 26 novembre 2013 - 12:46
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thats1evildude wrote...
Ferretinabun wrote...
That's actually a good point. If you're going to make a decoy, why not make it a dud recipe, rather than a recipe to a different WMD?.
Because a dud wouldn't have killed the thief who took it.
In any case, the elven fanatic (and by extension, Sister Petrice) always intended to massacre dozens of people; they just got the wrong weapon. You can't really put the blame entirely on the Arishok.
I do get your point about victim-blaming. It is ultimately the thief who is in the wrong, so I would never lay the blame solely on the Arishok's shoulders. If the thief had been killed as a result of mixing their stolen recipe then they would have no-one to blame but themselves.
However, there is such a thing as overkill. The recipe for the gas is obviously highly dangerous. It's like booby-trapping your own car with an enormous nail-bomb whenever you leave it anywhere to deal with car thieves - it's likely to take out a number of innocent bystanders as collateral damage as well.
