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[crimzontearz]

I am gonna have to call BS for now too

[Artifex_Imperius]

even though BS still better than beating the dead horse endings & necro'ing dead threads. but yeah im ready to move on. all of ME just fell into my canon so satisfied.

[ElitePinecone]

I wish the OP would change the heading of this thread - the original report does not say the game will be a sequel.

In the post of the person who allegedly went to the PAX feedback session, they list a whole lot of things and then conclude by saying they think it will be a sequel (in their judgement of the 'evidence' at the panel). Even if that report is 100% accurate, Bioware never confirmed the time period, and the only mention of a sequel is the opinion of the person who supposedly attended.

Some press websites lazily conflated both things, so it's entirely possible that (if that person really did attend) everything in that post is accurate except for the big conclusion about the time period.

[Linkenski]

 In the scenario that Bioware accidentally rushed ME3 and the ending, and only realised what they had done when they saw the repurcussions, I can see why they'd want to make a sequel because they want to right the wrongs as much as we want to see it happen.

If this is true I don't know what to think. Part of me says it's best not to delve on the mistakes of ME3 any longer and another part of me says that it's the right thing to do if Bioware has the passion to do so. Personally I would just say "screw artistic integrity" because games =/= movies or literature or just art in general. It's an art-form but just because they got to the release date does not mean they can't change the game or its ending IMO... but whatever, this sounds intriguing to me and I hope it's some kind of sequel :-)

[crimzontearz]

Screw artistic integrity? Don't let Mac hear you, he might have a stroke

[Wayning_Star]

this was posted years ago?

[Daniel_N7]

Aw... Even though this is totally non-legit info, it's a painful reminder of how much I'm aching for ME4 news. C'mon BioWare, give us a present this christmas and release a (decent) teaser trailer...

[Sion1138]

This seems fraudulent.

It sounds plausible, but the user could have fabricated all of that easily. Why did he post it on the IT forums instead of, say, here?

Modifié par Sion1138, 25 novembre 2013 - 04:39 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'll say this much after digging around, there's something that kinda corroborates pieces of this story. You can confirm this yourself by checking out Mike Gamble's Twitter feed between August and early September 2013. He do post a tweet asking ME fans to email him if they're heading to Pax, later there is also a tweet were he mentions a special group of 21 people meeting him there. Possibly a small panel for said people who emailed him as poster in question indicated. What went on with said 21 people and Mike Gamble at Pax however is still very much unconfirmed gossip if not an outright fabrication. If there was a private panel we can't really confirm the contents of what was shown.

[sr2josh]

Liamv2 wrote...

I call bull****.

Agreed.  This notion of a sequel in the same universe as the Shepard trilogy contradicts almost everything BIoWare has said about the next game.  Doesn't look like a reputable website or source at all.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

dorktainian wrote...

hey hang on. i'm just passing on context.  not asking you to believe it.  i've known about this for months and i dont believe it.  Anyways a retort like that from any forum that can justify the 'beauty' of synthesis it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle.

lol. Most people here actually agree that Destroy is the "best" ending, but even then they can't stand IT, because most of their members are intolerable arse clowns (case in point: your posts ITT). Hence why they got run off the site (just wow).

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:19 .

[rapscallioness]

SwobyJ wrote...

Ugh don't treat this article as legit . I say this as an IndocTheory poster. It's obvious clickbait.

That said, the information that Paine gave, while a bit old now, IS at least more likely to be legit.
It certainly could be false, but a closed door meetup *did* happen - it's more a matter of whether Paine is telling the truth about being in it.

Actual Summary of more relevant information (imo):
-What is N7?; importance put onto that
-Asking whether people wanted sequel, prequel, unrelated distant time; suggested sequel
-First race, 'Arrogant', description of it
-Second race, 'Ancient, Advanced, Guardian', description of it
-CG models and animations of existing races: asari, salarian, human, krogan
-More differences between models of other species, like humans already had
-Asked which races people would get rid of if they had to; many said quarian and krogan
-Much more armor customization
-Land vehicles; unknown use
-Normandy-esque ship(s?) to fit Mako-esque vehicle
-Characters and choices most important to Bioware, but a return to exploration and discovery
-"A stranger in a strange land like ME1" paraphrase by Gamble
-protagonist to be an easy conduit for new and old players... to see the world through familiar eyes(?)
-a hint at possible plot flag import system; could they be trying a DA:Keep for Mass Effect, and how does that impact the story? (Is this an indirect sequel, at least overall, and it just isn't tied to Shepard's experiences?)

A stranger in a strange land, yet able to see the world through familiar eyes?

I..don't understand, and yet Im oddly intrigued......

[Iakus]

I don't think this is legit.

But even if it is, A plot flag import system? Really? Bioware would be shooting themselves in the foot (again) trying to incorporate choices for the previous games. Trying to do so, especially with the ending choices, will simply mean trivializing our choices yet again.

[trenq]

Yep, BS for now.
Just wait till 7th of december for some news. ( a trailer probably )

[rapscallioness]

If they did do an import system like DA with the Keep, what do you think it would, or could consist of? Alot of the lil choices that were personal to Shep would not need to be there.

Hmm, a state of the galaxy? Which races might have survived? Maybe that's why they would ask which two races you would get rid of? Sounds like even that would be a large undertaking. But idk just how much they can do now with the new tech toys.

I mean, obviously Idk if it's the least bit legit. And even if it was, things would still change, but it makes for some interesting Chew.

Gosh, I hope we get some info on...what was it? Dec 7? from BW.

[rapscallioness]

I confess I get a bit nervous when reading Mac's interviews because it sounds like they've made very little progress story wise. It's been almost two years, and they don't seem to have a handle on it.

[Rasofe]

rapscallioness wrote...

I confess I get a bit nervous when reading Mac's interviews because it sounds like they've made very little progress story wise. It's been almost two years, and they don't seem to have a handle on it.

Well, if we're lucky they'll take it slow and steady without rushing it too badly. As long as it stays out of Dev Hell, it should be fine.

[Iakus]

rapscallioness wrote...

If they did do an import system like DA with the Keep, what do you think it would, or could consist of? Alot of the lil choices that were personal to Shep would not need to be there.

Hmm, a state of the galaxy? Which races might have survived? Maybe that's why they would ask which two races you would get rid of? Sounds like even that would be a large undertaking. But idk just how much they can do now with the new tech toys.

I mean, obviously Idk if it's the least bit legit. And even if it was, things would still change, but it makes for some interesting Chew.

Gosh, I hope we get some info on...what was it? Dec 7? from BW.

If they were going to flag which species survived, there would be no way to incorporate geth, quarian, or krogan, and posibly hanar or drell species into the sequel, as they could be dead/dying out.  Even meeting a survivor of such destruction could mean meeting a very differnt character.  Imagine meeting a geth if Shepard sided with the quarians.  With such a tiny fraction of the consensus left, would it even be sentient anymore? 

Gets even worse if Low-EMS Destroy becomes a viable option.

I'mthinking we'll be getting little to no concrete information until next summer at the earliest.  All the promotion is going to be for Dragon Age

[SwobyJ]

rapscallioness wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Ugh don't treat this article as legit . I say this as an IndocTheory poster. It's obvious clickbait.

That said, the information that Paine gave, while a bit old now, IS at least more likely to be legit.
It certainly could be false, but a closed door meetup *did* happen - it's more a matter of whether Paine is telling the truth about being in it.

Actual Summary of more relevant information (imo):
-What is N7?; importance put onto that
-Asking whether people wanted sequel, prequel, unrelated distant time; suggested sequel
-First race, 'Arrogant', description of it
-Second race, 'Ancient, Advanced, Guardian', description of it
-CG models and animations of existing races: asari, salarian, human, krogan
-More differences between models of other species, like humans already had
-Asked which races people would get rid of if they had to; many said quarian and krogan
-Much more armor customization
-Land vehicles; unknown use
-Normandy-esque ship(s?) to fit Mako-esque vehicle
-Characters and choices most important to Bioware, but a return to exploration and discovery
-"A stranger in a strange land like ME1" paraphrase by Gamble
-protagonist to be an easy conduit for new and old players... to see the world through familiar eyes(?)
-a hint at possible plot flag import system; could they be trying a DA:Keep for Mass Effect, and how does that impact the story? (Is this an indirect sequel, at least overall, and it just isn't tied to Shepard's experiences?)

A stranger in a strange land, yet able to see the world through familiar eyes?

I..don't understand, and yet Im oddly intrigued......

That's the best approach to take it in, imo. Don't worry.

If they did do an import system like DA with the Keep, what do you think
it would, or could consist of? Alot of the lil choices that were
personal to Shep would not need to be there.

Hmm, a state of the
galaxy? Which races might have survived? Maybe that's why they would ask
which two races you would get rid of? Sounds like even that would be a
large undertaking. But idk just how much they can do now with the new
tech toys.

I mean, obviously Idk if it's the least bit legit. And
even if it was, things would still change, but it makes for some
interesting Chew.

Gosh, I hope we get some info on...what was it? Dec 7? from BW.

-Exactly, little choices largely aren't relevant. If Bioware wanted to make some of them matter, they've distanced themselves enough from 'Shepard' that they can more easily pick and choose.

-Three races isn't THAT hard as long that their roles are limited (don't expect entire arcs on Krogan and Rannoch races, duh! But maybe mini-hubs and smaller missions. At least I'd hope!)

-And yeah. Even my minimal inside info (didn't say it all in this thread) is horribly outdated, and even stuff from Sept this year would be outdated in some aspects. So meh whatever, not trying to convinced anyone of anything.

-Dec 7 is my birthday, and my boyfriend is probably away busy that day, so Bioware, make my day happier!!

[SwobyJ]

rapscallioness wrote...

I confess I get a bit nervous when reading Mac's interviews because it sounds like they've made very little progress story wise. It's been almost two years, and they don't seem to have a handle on it.

Nah they're done the first drafts of stuff.

The bigger part is integrating it in these ways:
-to allow choices (yes, the first drafts appear to only have a 'basic story', like ME3's was 'Soldier, Earthborn, Sole Survivor, Renegon or maybe Paragade Sheploo, clearly)
-more easily formed for the game's level structure
-refinements and edits for better integration of themes, DLC, etc etc

By now you can be 100% sure they know what the general story is gonna be, like in 2010-2011 you could be 100% sure that they knew ME3 was gonna have the Crucible plotline and the Reaper War and most of the squadmates and drafts of important scenes, and so on.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Arcian wrote...

and confirmed that BioWare wants to make the new game a sequel

But they don't, they've said so multiple times. Fake.

No they haven't. They've said that they were undecided, and that it is not necessarily set after, before or along the side of the original trilogy. It's very possible that the game could be a sequel.

[SwobyJ]

iakus wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

If they did do an import system like DA with the Keep, what do you think it would, or could consist of? Alot of the lil choices that were personal to Shep would not need to be there.

Hmm, a state of the galaxy? Which races might have survived? Maybe that's why they would ask which two races you would get rid of? Sounds like even that would be a large undertaking. But idk just how much they can do now with the new tech toys.

I mean, obviously Idk if it's the least bit legit. And even if it was, things would still change, but it makes for some interesting Chew.

Gosh, I hope we get some info on...what was it? Dec 7? from BW.

If they were going to flag which species survived, there would be no way to incorporate geth, quarian, or krogan, and posibly hanar or drell species into the sequel, as they could be dead/dying out.  Even meeting a survivor of such destruction could mean meeting a very differnt character.  Imagine meeting a geth if Shepard sided with the quarians.  With such a tiny fraction of the consensus left, would it even be sentient anymore? 

Gets even worse if Low-EMS Destroy becomes a viable option.

I'mthinking we'll be getting little to no concrete information until next summer at the earliest.  All the promotion is going to be for Dragon Age

They'd just do what they do in every Bioware game and swerve around the massive consequences.... nothing new for them.
Hanar and Drell were losing their homeworld. They were always under attack so that's canon. And they always were gonna lose their homeworld so that can be canon. All Shepard stopped would have been the inevitable and swift loss of planets - thus losing the War Assets. That's it really. Same with everywhere else. Got krogan for Palaven? Cool, you get a less bleak picture. No krogan? Well Palaven is still under assault anyway with only a few different story details - none of which would really matter in a game taking place in the future.

Bioware is more about tailoring story experiences than actually implementing true conseuqences for most actions except the most major ones, or ones they have more personal interests in. The rest can be relatively hand waved, or given a cool flavor (I personally really enjoy Padok Wiiks more than Mordin in Genophage arc) but nothing more substantially different (both characters do the same thing, maybe with a small tweak of difference).

BSN tends to think too hard about this stuff, seemingly forgetting Bioware's history of just wanting people to feel they did 'something important', not truly 'changing everything'. You can still get all Loyalty and Survival in ME2 despite ME1 actions, just as you can still get High Cont/Synth/Dest despite ME2 actions.
They then just work on the details of the journey towards there, and how we, the players, interpret the events on our first time through it all (many aren't as avid fans as to metagame on the first run, or do more than one playthrough).

If all they mostly had to deal with are the fate of 3 species (of many) and what the ending choice might represent, that's really not a big deal. IMO ME3 clearly intentionally gave Krogan, Geth, and Quarians their big time in the sun because they're just not going to be as much of a major focus all the time going forward (as in, don't expect 4-6 mission-long arcs is all *shrug*, but maybe single missions, or even hub involvement).

Modifié par SwobyJ, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:38 .

[rapscallioness]

thnx for the feedback guys. Some interesting thoughts.

I do know one thing, when BW does make an announcement, I will have my popcorn at the ready. Teh Dramaz!