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[Sion1138]

There was that fake leak many moons ago, which had the Catalyst upload itself into Shepard upon the destruction of the Reapers, and then that would be the next protagonist.

It fits the description of "a stranger in a strange land", which the embodiment of the A.I. would be and "through familiar eyes".

But, I am sure that this will not be done. I find the idea quite spectacular, but it's too risky.

Modifié par Sion1138, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:46 .

[SwobyJ]

Sion1138 wrote...

There was that fake leak many moons ago, which had the Catalyst upload itself into Shepard upon the destruction of the Reapers, and then that would be the next protagonist.

It fits the description of "a stranger in a strange land", which the embodiment of the A.I. would be and "through familiar eyes".

But, I am sure that this will not be done. I find the idea quite spectacular, but it's too risky.

Yeah... too risky...

[Malanek]

Read the actual report rather than the linked article.

http://indoctrinatio...ecret-pax-panel

The fan report sounds legit to me. It doesn't claim as much as the article is saying, which happens to be incredibly badly written.


I think it is legit just the way it is written and what it claims. There is no mention about save game editing or such things, I have no idea where the latter writer got that from. Probably DA. It doesn't claim it will be a sequel, just the fans opinion based on new species and existing ones. Its only a tiny piece of information, if it was a fake I believe they would be inventing a lot more or there isn't really a point to it.

Modifié par Malanek999, 25 novembre 2013 - 08:16 .

[SwobyJ]

Malanek read the rest of the thread. He mentions save stuff in other posts.

Mike did mention that they were looking into leaving a kind of
debugging-like menu in the game for picking plot flags when making a
save file so you can have the exact file you want without having to do
another crazy long playthrough or going through a really limited motion
comic.

That said, they could just be meaning to make a 'new series', not carry on from ME3. We don't know.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 25 novembre 2013 - 08:50 .

[rapscallioness]

Sion1138 wrote...

There was that fake leak many moons ago, which had the Catalyst upload itself into Shepard upon the destruction of the Reapers, and then that would be the next protagonist.

It fits the description of "a stranger in a strange land", which the embodiment of the A.I. would be and "through familiar eyes".

But, I am sure that this will not be done. I find the idea quite spectacular, but it's too risky.

oh, dear god! wait..wait..wait ( i know it's a fake leak. or it's supposed to be fake--but i still must process this). So, in  Destroy the Catalyst flickers out as Shep shoots. Like you just unplugged the tv. But what if that was the moment the Catalyst zapped into Sheps head. And that would maybe be why Shep was able to actually live thru the explosion of Destroy, but now Shep would come back---again--as the ..Catalyst? It would take over Dead Sheps body? ewww. And then learn what is was like to be organic?

The weird thing is that it actually makes sense. And I wouldn't put it past the Catalyst to do this. Oh, snap, and Shep does have enuf compatible tech inside which could easily facilitate that--uh--transfer.

Wouldn't that be ( i wanna say "ironic",  but i'm afraid i'm not using the word properly *shakes fist at the word "irony"*) something if for all the players that wanted Shep back, BW is like alright, here's your Shep..posssessed by the Catalyst! Muahahahaha!

:lol:

[Malanek]

SwobyJ wrote...

Malanek read the rest of the thread. He mentions save stuff in other posts.

Mike did mention that they were looking into leaving a kind of
debugging-like menu in the game for picking plot flags when making a
save file so you can have the exact file you want without having to do
another crazy long playthrough or going through a really limited motion
comic.

That said, they could just be meaning to make a 'new series', not carry on from ME3. We don't know.

I think he is just talking about a general philosophy Bioware is adopting with all its games. Its not even necessarily about importing between games. I'm assuming you (or at least they) would be able to tweak decisions within the same game. But fair enough, I did miss that. I do think people are jumping to conclusions over what this means a bit too soon though.

Modifié par Malanek999, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:25 .

[SwobyJ]

It wouldn't 'take over' his body.

Transmigration. It'd be like a reincarnation of a person who seems like Shepard, has his memories, might even think he's Shepard, but he's not. It also wouldn't be the 'Catalyst', or 'Shepard', but something different overall.

Consider EDI, at least in part.

-Starts as a VI freaking out. We or marines shut it down but the VI remains intact.
-Sovereign's code merged with it, upgrading it. Given female voice for crew psychology purposes.
-Becomes acclimated to Shepard, Joker, and the Normandy.
-Convinces Joker to unshackle it.... and becomes an unrestrained AI. Becomes attached to Shepard, Joker, and the Normandy.
-Takes and controls EVA body/platform for personal reasons, but rationalizes it.
-Through it, comes to understand organics even more than before. Can decide to give up her 'life' for them and the suffering they experienced under the Reaper Cycle

This can actually work for Control and Synthesis as well. *shrug* There's actually tons of theories and hypothesis in my head about why and how this would work, after months of more private discussions about it, but I'm going to try to wait and see before explaining it all out here.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[SwobyJ]

Malanek999 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Malanek read the rest of the thread. He mentions save stuff in other posts.

Mike did mention that they were looking into leaving a kind of
debugging-like menu in the game for picking plot flags when making a
save file so you can have the exact file you want without having to do
another crazy long playthrough or going through a really limited motion
comic.

That said, they could just be meaning to make a 'new series', not carry on from ME3. We don't know.

I think he is just talking about a general philosophy Bioware is adopting with all its games. Its not even necessarily about importing between games. I'm assuming you (or at least they) would be able to tweak decisions within the same game. But fair enough, I did miss that. I do think people are jumping to conclusions over what this means a bit too soon though.

I just believe that in mentioning a motion comic, that Gamble is more specifically talking about Mass Effect. I'm assuming things though.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

EatChildren wrote...

What makes the original poster's claims most believable, in my opinion, is that it's littered with textbook marketing questions the author doesn't seem to realise. Exactly what you'd expect to be asked at a "fan session", and an odd thing to fabricate, as they offer no substance alone.

This.

The only reason I am putting any stock at all into these "reports". I used to work in the PR dept of an Undisclosed Big Soulless Corporation and this is the sort of stuff we asked all the time. This is either real or the person who thought it up is really good at effing with peoples minds.

[rapscallioness]

SwobyJ wrote...

It wouldn't 'take over' his body.

Transmigration. It'd be like a reincarnation of a person who seems like Shepard, has his memories, might even think he's Shepard, but he's not. It also wouldn't be the 'Catalyst', or 'Shepard', but something different overall.

Consider EDI, at least in part.

-Starts as a VI freaking out. We or marines shut it down but the VI remains intact.
-Sovereign's code merged with it, upgrading it. Given female voice for crew psychology purposes.
-Becomes acclimated to Shepard, Joker, and the Normandy.
-Convinces Joker to unshackle it.... and becomes an unrestrained AI. Becomes attached to Shepard, Joker, and the Normandy.
-Takes and controls EVA body/platform for personal reasons, but rationalizes it.
-Through it, comes to understand organics even more than before. Can decide to give up her 'life' for them and the suffering they experienced under the Reaper Cycle

This can actually work for Control and Synthesis as well. *shrug* There's actually tons of theories and hypothesis in my head about why and how this would work, after months of more private discussions about it, but I'm going to try to wait and see before explaining it all out here.

wow. i admit i think this actually pretty damn fascinating. but would it fit with what mac said about the "next me" having nothing to do with Shep?

edit: and by the by, didn't Drew mention once in sum interview that one of the plots in consideration was that Shep would turn out to be an alien and not know it?

Modifié par rapscallioness, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:52 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

Maybe this is a way to get around all the continuity problems that would come from a more direct sequel - i.e. take some characters from the established races and send them off on a story revolving around these new alien races, but then I come back to what I've said before. If you're going to veer way off on a tangent, why bother calling it "Mass Effect" instead of just creating a new science fiction IP? If you get rid of Shepard *and* the Reapers *and* all the established politics and history of the existing races, about all that's left are the mass relays, which are just the latest iteration of "let's do faster-than-light travel without calling it 'warp speed' or 'hyperspace' so people don't think of Star Trek or Star Wars."

[Killdren88]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

Maybe this is a way to get around all the continuity problems that would come from a more direct sequel - i.e. take some characters from the established races and send them off on a story revolving around these new alien races, but then I come back to what I've said before. If you're going to veer way off on a tangent, why bother calling it "Mass Effect" instead of just creating a new science fiction IP? If you get rid of Shepard *and* the Reapers *and* all the established politics and history of the existing races, about all that's left are the mass relays, which are just the latest iteration of "let's do faster-than-light travel without calling it 'warp speed' or 'hyperspace' so people don't think of Star Trek or Star Wars."

And I thought Blizzard had terrible writers...<_<

[SwobyJ]

rapscallioness wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

It wouldn't 'take over' his body.

Transmigration. It'd be like a reincarnation of a person who seems like Shepard, has his memories, might even think he's Shepard, but he's not. It also wouldn't be the 'Catalyst', or 'Shepard', but something different overall.

Consider EDI, at least in part.

-Starts as a VI freaking out. We or marines shut it down but the VI remains intact.
-Sovereign's code merged with it, upgrading it. Given female voice for crew psychology purposes.
-Becomes acclimated to Shepard, Joker, and the Normandy.
-Convinces Joker to unshackle it.... and becomes an unrestrained AI. Becomes attached to Shepard, Joker, and the Normandy.
-Takes and controls EVA body/platform for personal reasons, but rationalizes it.
-Through it, comes to understand organics even more than before. Can decide to give up her 'life' for them and the suffering they experienced under the Reaper Cycle

This can actually work for Control and Synthesis as well. *shrug* There's actually tons of theories and hypothesis in my head about why and how this would work, after months of more private discussions about it, but I'm going to try to wait and see before explaining it all out here.

wow. i admit i think this actually pretty damn fascinating. but would it fit with what mac said about the "next me" having nothing to do with Shep?

edit: and by the by, didn't Drew mention once in sum interview that one of the plots in consideration was that Shep would turn out to be an alien and not know it?

Yes Drew said that.

And well, our ME1-3 'journey' was nice, but time for a rude awakening .

[Probe Away]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

...Unless these alleged new species are from another galaxy. Or are the remnants of a previous cycle that did a Prothean and hid/fled from the Reapers, then returned either to help this cycle confront them (timing was slightly off) or hoping the reapers were finished so they could take over again. Or maybe they've been in our galaxy the whole time, fighting the reapers too, and we just never found or activated a relay that would get us there because, you know, Rachni.

Not saying you're wrong but if you use your imagination there are several plausible explanations.

[SwobyJ]

Probe Away wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

...Unless these alleged new species are from another galaxy. Or are the remnants of a previous cycle that did a Prothean and hid/fled from the Reapers, then returned either to help this cycle confront them (timing was slightly off) or hoping the reapers were finished so they could take over again. Or maybe they've been in our galaxy the whole time, fighting the reapers too, and we just never found or activated a relay that would get us there because, you know, Rachni.

Not saying you're wrong but if you use your imagination there are several plausible explanations.

Yes.

Relays don't cover all the systems of the galaxy, and we've only explored a fraction of the relays.

[Malanek]

Probe Away wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

...Unless these alleged new species are from another galaxy. Or are the remnants of a previous cycle that did a Prothean and hid/fled from the Reapers, then returned either to help this cycle confront them (timing was slightly off) or hoping the reapers were finished so they could take over again. Or maybe they've been in our galaxy the whole time, fighting the reapers too, and we just never found or activated a relay that would get us there because, you know, Rachni.

Not saying you're wrong but if you use your imagination there are several plausible explanations.

Who originally designed the Crucible? Could be an unknown species that is about to re-emerge.

[PinkysPain]

If it's true then I'm curious why they keep asking if people want a prequel/sequel ... that to me just screams :

"You keep giving us the wrong answer ... come on please tell us that what we want to and are going to do any way is what our customers want and not just writer egomania."

They did the twitter thing, everyone said sequel already ... and how can they not be far enough along development to make the question meaningless at this point?

[Clayless]

PinkysPain wrote...

If it's true then I'm curious why they keep asking if people want a prequel/sequel ... that to me just screams :

"You keep giving us the wrong answer ... come on please tell us that what we want to and are going to do any way is what our customers want and not just writer egomania."

They did the twitter thing, everyone said sequel already ... and how can they not be far enough along development to make the question meaningless at this point?

You make it sound like writers shouldn't be able to write their own story the way they want.

[AlanC9]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

An advanced race could be on the other side of an inactive relay. Though, yeah, this doens't work too well with Control.

[PinkysPain]

Robosexual if they sign their own pay checks they can write whatever they want ... if not, they should spare a thought for the interests of the company who employs them.

I think the signs are that the writers still will do what they want, make a pre/mid/interquel, but deep down they realise it's not the right thing to do (ie. it won't sell as well as a sequel) and are looking for us to save them from that doubt. But we keep giving the wrong answer.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 25 novembre 2013 - 10:45 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Probe Away wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

...Unless these alleged new species are from another galaxy. Or are the remnants of a previous cycle that did a Prothean and hid/fled from the Reapers, then returned either to help this cycle confront them (timing was slightly off) or hoping the reapers were finished so they could take over again. Or maybe they've been in our galaxy the whole time, fighting the reapers too, and we just never found or activated a relay that would get us there because, you know, Rachni.

Not saying you're wrong but if you use your imagination there are several plausible explanations.

I'm not saying it can't be explained plausibly, just questioning the value of this kind of plot twist. To me, the reason to continue creating games in the Mass Effect universe at this point is to explore further possibilities with the established species and their often fractious galactic society. But if the only way to preserve that is to contrive ways to ignore large portions of it, I'm just not sure it's worth the trouble.

[chris2365]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I have trouble imagining a "sequel" that involves an "ancient, advanced, guardian" alien race that we never saw before unless they've been actively hiding the entire time, even when a galactic war broke out (which would make them pretty disappointing as "guardians"). And in a Control or Synthesis scenario, I would expect AI-Shepard or the surviving Reapers to find them before anyone else does.

Well, just think of the Rachni. They were discovered when the Council turned on an inactive relay. Even humans are in the same boat, since the Charon Relay was inactive. If humans hadn't activated that relay, nobody would even know about humans.

Just to give you guys a clearer picture, here's one of my ideas from a previous thread that shows that this sort of setting is possible:

''We know that in the Milky Way, there are many parts that are unexplored or inaccessible. The Council banned any new exploration after the Rachni incident. Who's to say that other species aren't living in those areas?

Just look at humanity. Because the Charon relay was frozen, nobody knew about them. If humans hadn't turned on that relay, nobody would've discovered them.

Also, don't forget that most species have sent expeditions into deep space without ever hearing from them again. In case any of you remember this story: Alliance Links Lost Colony with Manswell Expedition of 2070.

A cool theory would be that just before the final battle with the Reapers, the Council species secretly sent out a sort of Noah's Ark with all the species in a last ditch effort to preserve their future. They happen to land in an area inaccessible with the Mass Relay's, which saves us from having to deal with the ending choices. They then have to try and remake contact with the rest of the galaxy while dealing with new environements and species.

Just throwing out some ideas ''

The last part is what I think makes it work, since with no Mass Relay's in the vicinity, the endings can't affect that area. You can keep the same species, technology, and everything that can make us identify the game as a Mass Effect game. All while moving the series forward and adding new elements.

Modifié par chris2365, 25 novembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[crimzontearz]

Oh GOD Chris, you repeated nearly word by word what I suggested over a year ago....

[Clayless]

PinkysPain wrote...

Robosexual if they sign their own pay checks they can write whatever they want ... if not, they should spare a thought for the interests of the company who employs them.

I think the signs are that the writers still will do what they want, make a pre/mid/interquel, but deep down they realise it's not the right thing to do (ie. it won't sell as well as a sequel) and are looking for us to save them from that doubt. But we keep giving the wrong answer.

Sounds like a delusion if you ask me. You managed to convince yourself that there's a "wrong" answer, let alone that they've chosen it and we keep on giving them the opposite, simply based on them asking for feedback from their fans. The mental hurdles you'd have to go through to get to that stage.