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[Jaison1986]

Usergnome wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Well, just because of the world they live on, doesn't instantly means all companions automatically have weird or crazy views about the world. For instance, many of the companions were rather normal people: Alistair is an normal person as far as he goes when it comes to personal views, Wynne is normal, Nathaniel is normal, Anders is normal (in awakening, that is), Aveline is normal, Varric is normal, Bethany is normal. It's just weird that every elven companion in the main games aways have an annoying personality or an extreme view. I just wonder why none of them can be an nice and normal person.

Being hated and treated like dirt by most humans and being told to believe they are less than humans probably has something to do with having extreme views.

Also, don't forget "Annoying personality" is a matter of your own opinion. I didn't find any elf companion (Except Merrill) annoying. Extreme views are totally justified after being abused like Fenris was, and Zevran has lived his life as well as he could for how terrible it could have been. Would you prefer he was depressed, working as some **** in Antiva hating his parents for giving him that life?

Also like others have said, Tallis.

Actually, apart from Velanna, all elven companions treat the protagonist equaly. And Fenris extreme views might be justified when it comes to the mages in Tevinter, but other mages in Thedas suffer nothing but abuse, and yet he thinks of them as nothing but weapons and monsters, when we know it's not so. And no, I'm not asking for Zevran to be sad and depressed, but even tough that life was forced on him and now he have an chance to do things diferently, he simply says "nope, I enjoy being an assassin, I'll continue to being one". 

And as for Tallis, see @ignoreality comment.

[Cheylus]

I want a giant dwarf. And spaceships.

[General TSAR]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Fenris: I was an pro mage, so I was annoyed with his rather narrow minded view of mages. Yes they can be dangerous, and yes, they need to be given proper training, but that doesn't excuse approving of the Templars abuse or instantly thinking that every mage in the world is an corrupt monster just waiting for an chance to strike at society. You are not on Tevinter anymore Fenris, so stop treating mages like they are all magister, that's unfair.

Deal with it.

So tl'dr I only ask that Inquisition presents us an elven companion that is an normal person that doesn' t possess an absurd view or biased prejudices. 

Yes I'm sure a lukewarm and politically correct character would add a lot to the drama.
(Snark)

Modifié par General TSAR, 25 novembre 2013 - 03:47 .

[In Exile]

Fenris doesn't treat the protagonist badly - even if you're very pro mage - unless you treat him badly. Velanna is the only elf character who treats the protagonists badly, and that's just because she's a bit of a jerk (and a racist, if you're human). But she's not *much* nicer to elves.

[General TSAR]

In Exile wrote...
But she's not *much* nicer to elves.

Oh yeah, she goes off on those Elven beggars right?.

[In Exile]

General TSAR wrote...
Oh yeah, she goes off on those Elven beggars right?.

I have no idea what you're on about, since my comments were very clearly made in the context of the discussion about the attitude of the particular elf character and  toward the protagonist. 

Modifié par In Exile, 25 novembre 2013 - 03:55 .

[General TSAR]

Never mind.

[DRTJR]

I have liked all of the Elven Characters, to one extent or another they're believable people.

Tallis, while born an Elf is not an Elf, she's a Qunari.

[ignoreality]

Elven or no, a companion I would really welcome would be someone perceiving themselves smarter than the PC and possibly snarky/patronizing because of that. Like Sherlock and Watson, just with Watson being the boss this time. Or like Metatron in Dogma.

I kinda envision Dorian that way, of course absolutely without merit, because he may not even exist. But an elven Tevinter magister emitting sarcastic remarks from behind my back would make my day.

(Now that I think of it, it would be a bit like Morrigan, only with Morrigan I felt she didn't really have much clue and was contrarian mostly for the sake of it, and I'd expect a magister to be clever and experienced.)

[In Exile]

ignoreality wrote...

Elven or no, a companion I would really welcome would be someone perceiving themselves smarter than the PC and possibly snarky/patronizing because of that. Like Sherlock and Watson, just with Watson being the boss this time. Or like Metatron in Dogma.

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(Now that I think of it, it would be a bit like Morrigan, only with Morrigan I felt she didn't really have much clue and was contrarian mostly for the sake of it, and I'd expect a magister to be clever and experienced.)

But "perceving" themselves as more intelligent doesn't mean they're more intelligent. So Morrigain telling you that you were wrong simply because she thought she knew better would be pretty much exactly what you're asking for. 

[ignoreality]

In Exile wrote...
But "perceving" themselves as more intelligent doesn't mean they're more intelligent. So Morrigain telling you that you were wrong simply because she thought she knew better would be pretty much exactly what you're asking for. 

Good point. Being more intelligent, then. 

[Nole]

I hate elves.

[General TSAR]

WittingEight65 wrote...

I hate elves.

Good man.

[dragonflight288]

@ OP

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree with Merrill. By Act 3 she knew there was a very real risk of going to see the demon on Sundermount, and brought Hawke along as backup to kill her should the worse happen, which is something Anders didn't do when he merged with Justice, and he may have been with the Warden at the time, it's something Merethari didn't do, and it's something I don't think a single Circle-trained mage has ever done either. She also shows an expertise on demons that no other character has been able to show. From recognizing wither Kerren is a possessed or not by looking at his blood (while Anders simply blasts him with magic in an attack to see if he'll fight back,) or when they encounter the sloth demon she immediately offers defensive techniques like thinking about running and jumping.

I feel like Merrill mostly gets hit is because of her giving into Pride in Feynriel's dream, something that happens to everyone else as well including Varric. (But not Justice, I guess because Anders is already possessed and it's Justice in charge in the Fade.)

Simpy my opinion.

[durasteel]

Jaison1986 wrote...
Merrill: I would have been alright with her if it wasn't for her blind views of Demons and complete ignorance of the consequence of her actions. Aways thinking she is right and that messing with dangerous things won't cause any harm because "she knows what she is doing". But the night terrors quests says otherwise.

Actually, I always thought Merrill had the most realistic and responsible attitude regarding demons. While she is willing to deal with them--c arefully--she chides Anders for having trusted Justice, insisting that all spirits are dangerous.

If Marethari had been supportive of Merrill, I don't see nay reason to doubt that they could have handled the demon once the mirror was restored. Everything I observed pointed to the conclusion that Merrill did know what she was doing, and that the blind one was the Keeper who could only think in absolute terms.

Modifié par durasteel, 25 novembre 2013 - 05:15 .

[Jaison1986]

dragonflight288 wrote...

@ OP

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree with Merrill. By Act 3 she knew there was a very real risk of going to see the demon on Sundermount, and brought Hawke along as backup to kill her should the worse happen, which is something Anders didn't do when he merged with Justice, and he may have been with the Warden at the time, it's something Merethari didn't do, and it's something I don't think a single Circle-trained mage has ever done either. She also shows an expertise on demons that no other character has been able to show. From recognizing wither Kerren is a possessed or not by looking at his blood (while Anders simply blasts him with magic in an attack to see if he'll fight back,) or when they encounter the sloth demon she immediately offers defensive techniques like thinking about running and jumping.

I feel like Merrill mostly gets hit is because of her giving into Pride in Feynriel's dream, something that happens to everyone else as well including Varric. (But not Justice, I guess because Anders is already possessed and it's Justice in charge in the Fade.)

Simpy my opinion.

Fair enough. But the problem is that she shouldn't do it in first place, especially considering the dalish hate her and her achieviments would be just rejected by them. All companions aways try to talk her out of her plans saying she is just throwing her life away, but she just ignores them thinking she knows better. 

And about the Night Terrors quest. I think it's worse for Merrill because unlike the other companions, she have experience on the fade and resisting demon temptation, and yet she is so easily tricked. 

[durasteel]

Jaison1986 wrote...
Fair enough. But the problem is that she shouldn't do it in first place, especially considering the dalish hate her and her achieviments would be just rejected by them. All companions aways try to talk her out of her plans saying she is just throwing her life away, but she just ignores them thinking she knows better. 

And about the Night Terrors quest. I think it's worse for Merrill because unlike the other companions, she have experience on the fade and resisting demon temptation, and yet she is so easily tricked. 

She does know better.

The Dalish are just following Merethari's lead, and we see in the end that she's an idiot. Hell, the clan's full of idiots, since they are inclined to attack Hawke after having seen over the past several years that he's way, way out of their league. Damn suicidal elves.

Night terrors is not really a good example, since every companion aside form Anders succumbs to temptation. While it would have made a lot of sense for Merrill to be more sophisticated when dealing with demons, I think ultimately it came down to BioWare just wanting you to fight two of your companions. The seriousness with which you should take that particular sequence might best be exemplified by Isabela's line, "I like big boats and I cannot lie."

[Knight of Dane]

Jaison1986 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

@ OP

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree with Merrill. By Act 3 she knew there was a very real risk of going to see the demon on Sundermount, and brought Hawke along as backup to kill her should the worse happen, which is something Anders didn't do when he merged with Justice, and he may have been with the Warden at the time, it's something Merethari didn't do, and it's something I don't think a single Circle-trained mage has ever done either. She also shows an expertise on demons that no other character has been able to show. From recognizing wither Kerren is a possessed or not by looking at his blood (while Anders simply blasts him with magic in an attack to see if he'll fight back,) or when they encounter the sloth demon she immediately offers defensive techniques like thinking about running and jumping.

I feel like Merrill mostly gets hit is because of her giving into Pride in Feynriel's dream, something that happens to everyone else as well including Varric. (But not Justice, I guess because Anders is already possessed and it's Justice in charge in the Fade.)

Simpy my opinion.

Fair enough. But the problem is that she shouldn't do it in first place, especially considering the dalish hate her and her achieviments would be just rejected by them. All companions aways try to talk her out of her plans saying she is just throwing her life away, but she just ignores them thinking she knows better. 

And about the Night Terrors quest. I think it's worse for Merrill because unlike the other companions, she have experience on the fade and resisting demon temptation, and yet she is so easily tricked. 

No, just Anders, Fenris and Sebastian cuz they don't like demunz.

And I don't account the fade for anything, Anders/Justice turned on me too. Besides, I can imagine that going into the fade on a whim isn't the same as prepared training.

[In Exile]

Knight of Dane wrote...
And I don't account the fade for anything, Anders/Justice turned on me too. Besides, I can imagine that going into the fade on a whim isn't the same as prepared training.

Anders and Justice only turn on you if you make a deal with a demon. 

[Knight of Dane]

In Exile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
And I don't account the fade for anything, Anders/Justice turned on me too. Besides, I can imagine that going into the fade on a whim isn't the same as prepared training.

Anders and Justice only turn on you if you make a deal with a demon. 

Anders and Justice only turn on you if you pretend to make a deal with the demon but kill it anyway.

Aka. they are idiots.

[durasteel]

Jaison1986 wrote...
I only ask that Inquisition presents us an elven companion that is an normal person that doesn' t possess an absurd view or biased prejudices. 

I think Serendipity has everything you need.

[In Exile]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Anders and Justice only turn on you if you pretend to make a deal with the demon but kill it anyway.

Aka. they are idiots.

I'm pretty sure they turn on you when you actually accept the offer. There's no point where you can no "Wait, no! I'm just trolling the demon". And there's nothing in your conversation up to that point to suggest you can do that. 

[Star fury]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Anders and Justice only turn on you if you pretend to make a deal with the demon but kill it anyway.

Aka. they are idiots.

Not only in the Fade.

[Knight of Dane]

In Exile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
Anders and Justice only turn on you if you pretend to make a deal with the demon but kill it anyway.

Aka. they are idiots.

I'm pretty sure they turn on you when you actually accept the offer. There's no point where you can no "Wait, no! I'm just trolling the demon". And there's nothing in your conversation up to that point to suggest you can do that. 

You tell them to "Back off" literally.