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[Star fury]

Lanaya could have been a great companion. Prime example of sane, level-headed and not bitter elf.

[In Exile]

Knight of Dane wrote...

You tell them to "Back off" literally.

That's a "get in line" comment and not a "this is a secret plot" comment. 

[In Exile]

Star fury wrote...

Lanaya could have been a great companion. Prime example of sane, level-headed and not bitter elf.

Lanaya was certainly affected by her trauma at the hands of her human captors. She doesn't dwell on it with a stranger, but it does colour her interaction. I think if she were a party member that there'd be a very mixed reaction to her as a character. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Night terrors is not really a good example, since every companion aside form Anders succumbs to temptation. While it would have made a lot of sense for Merrill to be more sophisticated when dealing with demons, I think ultimately it came down to BioWare just wanting you to fight two of your companions. The seriousness with which you should take that particular sequence might best be exemplified by Isabela's line, "I like big boats and I cannot lie."

Excellent point.

Any plot device that references Sir Mix-a-lot should be taken with a mountain's worth of salt.

[Knight of Dane]

In Exile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

You tell them to "Back off" literally.

That's a "get in line" comment and not a "this is a secret plot" comment. 

At that point Hawke has not yet agreed to any deals. Anyway, as I said I don't blame it on Anders, he wasn't exactly in control anyway.

And I doubt Justice is a natural at plotting, so he wouldn't know.
Naive like a child.

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Night terrors is not really a good example, since every companion aside form Anders succumbs to temptation. While it would have made a lot of sense for Merrill to be more sophisticated when dealing with demons, I think ultimately it came down to BioWare just wanting you to fight two of your companions. The seriousness with which you should take that particular sequence might best be exemplified by Isabela's line, "I like big boats and I cannot lie."

Excellent point.

Any plot device that references Sir Mix-a-lot should be taken with a mountain's worth of salt.

I think Bioware portrayed it poorly, but the intention was (as always) to show that demons are actually dangerous unlike all of DA:O, where it really seemed like everyone could just easilly tell demons to go shove it up their bunghole making it kind of pointless to have such ridiculous anti-possession societal countermeasures. 

Execution was poor, but the intention IMO had nothing to do with forcing a confrontation with companions. 

Knight of Dane wrote...
At that point Hawke has not yet agreed to any deals. Anyway, as I said I don't blame it on Anders, he wasn't exactly in control anyway.

And I doubt Justice is a natural at plotting, so he wouldn't know.
Naive like a child.

The demon made an offer and Justice got indignat about it. You can accept an offer without saying "I accept", and Justice wasn't bonkers for thinking Hawke did accept it at that point. 

My point being that Justice doesn't really count as a betrayal, even if you think he's an idiot for misreading the situation. 

Modifié par In Exile, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:04 .

[leaguer of one]

Op.... I think you missed the point here. Their suppose to be something wrong with every companion in da.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:13 .

[TKavatar]

leaguer of one wrote...

Op.... I think you missed the point here. There's suppose to be something wrong with every companion in da.

Except Varric because he's clearly super-awesome.

Modifié par TKavatar, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:13 .

[leaguer of one]

TKavatar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Op.... I think you missed the point here. There's suppose to be something wrong with every companion in da.

Except Varric because he's clearly super-awesome.

You mean the guy who Lies about everything? Who has a dark past with the carta?

[Knight of Dane]

In Exile wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Night terrors is not really a good example, since every companion aside form Anders succumbs to temptation. While it would have made a lot of sense for Merrill to be more sophisticated when dealing with demons, I think ultimately it came down to BioWare just wanting you to fight two of your companions. The seriousness with which you should take that particular sequence might best be exemplified by Isabela's line, "I like big boats and I cannot lie."

Excellent point.

Any plot device that references Sir Mix-a-lot should be taken with a mountain's worth of salt.

I think Bioware portrayed it poorly, but the intention was (as always) to show that demons are actually dangerous unlike all of DA:O, where it really seemed like everyone could just easilly tell demons to go shove it up their bunghole making it kind of pointless to have such ridiculous anti-possession societal countermeasures. 

Execution was poor, but the intention IMO had nothing to do with forcing a confrontation with companions. 

Knight of Dane wrote...
At that point Hawke has not yet agreed to any deals. Anyway, as I said I don't blame it on Anders, he wasn't exactly in control anyway.

And I doubt Justice is a natural at plotting, so he wouldn't know.
Naive like a child.

The demon made an offer and Justice got indignat about it. You can accept an offer without saying "I accept", and Justice wasn't bonkers for thinking Hawke did accept it at that point. 

My point being that Justice doesn't really count as a betrayal, even if you think he's an idiot for misreading the situation. 

Justice attacked my Hawke, that's a betrayal. It's that simple.

Then you could say that not attacking Hawke would possibly be a betrayal to himself.

No we are getting into the heavy stuff.

[In Exile]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Justice attacked my Hawke, that's a betrayal. It's that simple.

Justice thought you were betraying him. Is it a betrayal if someone attacks you for thinking you betrayed them? It's all chicken and the egg. 

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
Justice attacked my Hawke, that's a betrayal. It's that simple.

Justice thought you were betraying him. Is it a betrayal if someone attacks you for thinking you betrayed them? It's all chicken and the egg. 

He attacked you before listening. He jumped the gun before understanding what you were going to do. That's a flaw most lawfully nuetral characters make. It was a betral. A misguided on , but it was a betral.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:30 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

wright1978 wrote...


I think the op has a rather biased view of what should account for normal in a fantasy world. I hope they carry on having companions with firm held views on subjects as that is far more interesting. If those views intersect my protaganists on any given playthrough then that's great, if i can nudge them back from or encourage them to extremes that's even better. However I don't want Fenris to do a complete 180 & become a mage symthathiser, i don't Zevran to abandon his career and become a monk etc.

Co-sign. I rather they not start catering to simple tastes. [smilie]http://whos.amung.us/widget/7z8bkhlcmfy0.png[/smilie]

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:32 .

[Knight of Dane]

In Exile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
Justice attacked my Hawke, that's a betrayal. It's that simple.

Justice thought you were betraying him. Is it a betrayal if someone attacks you for thinking you betrayed them? It's all chicken and the egg. 

"I betray you before you betray me!" 

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
He attacked you before listening. He jumped the gun before understanding what you were going to do. That's a flaw most lawfully nuetral characters make. It was a betral. A misguided on , but it was a betral.

That's mischaracterizing what happens. Hawke can either (i) listen to Topor or (ii) accept its offer. If Hawke basically accepts it offer, then Justice asks you to reconsider. At that point you can agree with Justice or tell it to back down. That's as clear a refusal to reconsider what was - by all objective indicators - an acceptance of a demon's offer. 

There's no obligation for anyone to actually read your mind. 

[TKavatar]

leaguer of one wrote...

TKavatar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Op.... I think you missed the point here. There's suppose to be something wrong with every companion in da.

Except Varric because he's clearly super-awesome.

You mean the guy who Lies about everything? Who has a dark past with the carta?

I was kinda joking actually

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
He attacked you before listening. He jumped the gun before understanding what you were going to do. That's a flaw most lawfully nuetral characters make. It was a betral. A misguided on , but it was a betral.

That's mischaracterizing what happens. Hawke can either (i) listen to Topor or (ii) accept its offer. If Hawke basically accepts it offer, then Justice asks you to reconsider. At that point you can agree with Justice or tell it to back down. That's as clear a refusal to reconsider what was - by all objective indicators - an acceptance of a demon's offer. 

There's no obligation for anyone to actually read your mind. 

It not about reading mind. It's trust. If it's  actually gets to the point Hawk is going to let it happen, then try to stop him. Sorry it's a betral.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 25 novembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[leaguer of one]

TKavatar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TKavatar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Op.... I think you missed the point here. There's suppose to be something wrong with every companion in da.

Except Varric because he's clearly super-awesome.

You mean the guy who Lies about everything? Who has a dark past with the carta?

I was kinda joking actually

Please, this is all in good fun.

[Sherbet Lemon]

General TSAR wrote...

In Exile wrote...
But she's not *much* nicer to elves.

Oh yeah, she goes off on those Elven beggars right?.

They're not really beggars per se...

I think you mean when she sort goes off on those City Elves  you can encounter them when you first take her to Amaranthine (I think?). They gawk at her a little because they've never seen a Dalish before.  It's an interesting scene for Velanna, I think because there is a lot of depth in that conversation.  If the Warden is a City Elf she can challenge Velanna by asking her if they (the Wardem) sickens her too.

[hangmans tree]

Well, good that Ash Warriors don't discriminate by gender or race and kill those who stand in their way then.

;P

[Angrywolves]

Loved Lanaya's voice.
Sera I guess is who we will get.

[Texhnolyze101]

I will be happy with any elf character as long as they aren't stupid like merril or annoying like fenris

[Texhnolyze101]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Zevran: He is actually pretty funny... untill you start asking about his job. Not only he likes it, he wants to keep doing it. Despite all that it involves. He could use his skill for something less harmfull, but he doesn't. And don't even ask about his opinion on killing innocents on his job. I was personally disgusted when I heard it.

You don't like him because he likes doing his job?

[Ap0crypha]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Zevran: He is actually pretty funny... untill you start asking about his job. Not only he likes it, he wants to keep doing it. Despite all that it involves. He could use his skill for something less harmfull, but he doesn't. And don't even ask about his opinion on killing innocents on his job. I was personally disgusted when I heard it.

You don't like him because he likes doing his job?

^ This. Also, he does have standards; he generally objects to genocide or slavery, and gets really angry at you if you if you decide to prolong someone's suffering (that guy at the Dalish camp whose wife went missing comes to mind). And I'm pretty sure he says that he's going to keep being an assassin because he doesn't know how to be anything else.

[manbobjoe]

Companions in Dragon Age aren't meant to be 'normal' they all have back stories, opinions, hobbies, and yes lives of their own, so I rather have complex characters(if they be elves, dwarves, humans, or Qunari) than your 'normal' ones.

Modifié par manbobjoe, 25 novembre 2013 - 11:16 .